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Please vote on a potential change to the rating system
    #9595461 - 01/12/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Right now, your general and trade ratings are simply the average of all the ratings you've received. This is nice, straightforward and easy to understand. If you have a four shroom rating and a five shroom rating, your average is 4.5. But another possibility would be to take a weighted average, and this might do a better job of reflecting a user's standing in the community. With a weighted average, ratings from users who themselves have high ratings are worth more, and ratings from users with low ratings are worth less. Basically when calculating the weighted average, if the person who rated you has zero shrooms themselves, their rating for you is counted once. If they have one shroom their rating is counted twice. Etcetera. So a rating from a user with five shrooms affects your total as much as six ratings from users with zero shrooms. For most users, there's actually very little difference between the two methods. You can try it out here, usually it's a few tenths of a point at most. But it might make people more thoughtful about the ratings they leave, and it would help minimize the effects of trolls. Anyway, if you have an opinion, please vote below.
Should ratings be an average or a weighted average?
You may choose only one


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595477 - 01/12/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Great idea


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595486 - 01/12/09 03:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's a great idea. Nice one ythan!


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9595509 - 01/12/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

My rating is 0.3 better with weighted. So that's what I voted for.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Thin White Duke] * 1
    #9595554 - 01/12/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This would probably help my rating, seeing as a lot of the people who have rated me down are scum :shrug:

Deleting ratings from banned users is probably also appropriate.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595569 - 01/12/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Question: would my rating change in future if someone who previously rated me had their own rating change? Seems like that would be a very intensive operation.

Actually, it would lead to an endless loop if two people rate each other. I guess you have to stop the link somewhere. So is the weighting of each rating calculated just once?

I think I've just confused myself


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595636 - 01/12/09 03:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I like the idea, although it only affected my rating to the tune of +0.02


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595654 - 01/12/09 03:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Even though itd help my rateing(and make my ratings important) I think its a horrible idea based on principal. Why should one person's opinion be worth more than anyone else's? Just because they are more popular? This isnt High School.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595682 - 01/12/09 03:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think that a user should have the option of disabling images from being posted in the ratings others leave for them. :shrug:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #9595684 - 01/12/09 03:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This seems like a good idea. 

However, I would think that weighting them by the rater's post count would seem more appropriate.  But then, that wouldn't have the effect of counteracting 'ratings rape' which this presumably does (in fact, it would exacerbate it).


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zouden said:
Question: would my rating change in future if someone who previously rated me had their own rating change? Seems like that would be a very intensive operation.

Actually, it would lead to an endless loop if two people rate each other. I guess you have to stop the link somewhere. So is the weighting of each rating calculated just once?

I think I've just confused myself




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9595696 - 01/12/09 03:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think there's a subtle difference between rating and popularity. A high rating doesn't necessarily mean someone is more 'popular'. It just means they're not a douchebag all the time.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9595727 - 01/12/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zouden said:
Question: would my rating change in future if someone who previously rated me had their own rating change? Seems like that would be a very intensive operation.




Heh yeah that's a good question, and like you said, you can end up in an infinite loop if you aren't careful. To avoid this I think I'd use the unweighted rating of the raters when calculating the weighted average for a ratee. Then when someone receives a rating, it should be possible to go through and recalculate the weighted average for everyone they've rated. Depending on resource use this might be once a day or something, but I'd look for a way to keep the weighted averages reasonably current based on the changing ratings of the people who left them.

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Ferris said:
Deleting ratings from banned users is probably also appropriate.




Personally I think this makes sense, but people have voted against it in the past. We could take a new poll though if opinions have changed.

Thanks everyone who's voting and discussing this.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595875 - 01/12/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nice idea go 4 it!!!


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595878 - 01/12/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think weighted averages flies in the face of all the Pub stands for

plus it would seriously impede the effectiveness of an OTD ratings rape

which means that you'd probably have a bunch of butthurt Pubbers gang up to rape OTDers who would have a reduced impact in their returned ratings making it an unfair one sided fight

which is cool cause then OTD would have infected the Pub with the pack mentality

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595881 - 01/12/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's a good idea, but I want at least 20 decimals of accuracy on the weighted average rating. That way I know.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595882 - 01/12/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The first problem I see is that if someone wonders into OTD and gets rating raped which probably happens to the majority of shroomery users then their rating of others becomes worthless.

On the plus side habitual rate rapists will also become worthless.

Other than that it seems a good idea but it is only ratings so I mind not which system is used.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595893 - 01/12/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

All for it


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595915 - 01/12/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think the weighted average should be weighed by the amount of time somebody has been registered to the site, not their popularity.  That would just help establish credibility in the ratings and help limit sensationalism.  Weighing it on post counts is not a fair consideration either, as it's easy to accumulate posts. 

In other words, you need a stal option.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9595925 - 01/12/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Dumb question, what does OTD stand for? Never mind, I just realized, "Off Topic Discussion", duh...

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9595930 - 01/12/09 04:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I think weighted averages flies in the face of all the Pub stands for

plus it would seriously impede the effectiveness of an OTD ratings rape

which means that you'd probably have a bunch of butthurt Pubbers gang up to rape OTDers who would have a reduced impact in their returned ratings making it an unfair one sided fight

which is cool cause then OTD would have infected the Pub with the pack mentality

proving we won




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595997 - 01/12/09 04:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i think people whine waaaaay to much about their ratings.  and this gives pubber's the upper hand over anybody just because alot of them have alot of posts and with alot of posts in the pub you usually have alot of ratings.

i think its fine the way it is. but i dont really care and everybody needs a proper ratings rape to bring them back to earth.

Edited by blood4blood (01/12/09 04:28 PM)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596021 - 01/12/09 04:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So if you had a sticky thread in OTD which was there to give you a load of bad ratings - thats cool with you?

I don't intend to imply any answer to my own question BTW.  I'm just asking to make you honestly question yourself.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9596039 - 01/12/09 04:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i think you should implement it for a while and see how people take it.
it's probably a good thing in terms of trade ratings.

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Dr. uarewotueat's Ratings:

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Weighted Average: 4.32598846351




that goes to show how many puppets i rated zero and got zero's back from :lol:

you should make ratings from banned puppets disappear once again.

4 or 4.3 makes no difference to me, but a lot of people around here take their ratings very seriously so do it for their sake :lol:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596047 - 01/12/09 04:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's kinda silly if you truly care about your ratings on a website.

But it's not like this is a bad idea, so I vote yes. Why not.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596053 - 01/12/09 04:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

could relly care less.  as long as they dont mess with my trade rating. does anybody really look at somebodys general rating and see that they have a 2.3 because of a bunch of bad ratings from OTD and judge them on that?

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Robo]
    #9596059 - 01/12/09 04:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i voted to keep the old system


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Robo]
    #9596077 - 01/12/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Its silly but people do care.  Thats demonstrated over and over again here.

Its an extension of real life.  If everyone around you disliked you then it would undoubtedly result in you changing your perception of yourself and everyone else.

Taking notice of what others think of you is a good thing IF you are willing to change yourself on founded suggestions.

Personally thats what I thrive on.  I don't want to big myself up.  I want to better myself and someone teaching me by pointing out an error is a positive thing for me.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596123 - 01/12/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Its silly but people do care.  Thats demonstrated over and over again here.

Its an extension of real life.  If everyone around you disliked you then it would undoubtedly result in you changing your perception of yourself and everyone else.

Taking notice of what others think of you is a good thing IF you are willing to change yourself on founded suggestions.

Personally thats what I thrive on.  I don't want to big myself up.  I want to better myself and someone teaching me by pointing out an error is a positive thing for me.




"an extension of real life"
this is probably the dumbest and most self-centered thing Ive ever read.  who cares what other's think of you. if i hung out at a church all the time and they kept suggesting certain things to me because they thought i was wrong that that mean i should change based on there suggestions? hell no! and this goes for everything. I am's who i am's. and that is what makes this race so unique. i wouldn't want to live with a race that acts the way their told and ill rate you accordingly.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596191 - 01/12/09 04:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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So if you had a sticky thread in OTD which was there to give you a load of bad ratings - thats cool with you?





Like blood said the trade ratings are all I really care about. But I've never been ratings raped. I feel so left out.  :frown:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596221 - 01/12/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I hope my 5.0/5.0 raises 0.3!

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #9596241 - 01/12/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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i voted to keep the old system




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596243 - 01/12/09 05:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

How is an observation self-centered?

Your acting as if you are ego-less...

You have never thought about your appearance, you have no tattoos or piercing?  You were rags?  Your completely ignorant of the way you are perceived?

Come on now.  Some how I doubt you care as little about yourself as you make out.

Almost everybody cares about how they are perceived in their society.  I even day to say that you would not post here at all if you did not care.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596249 - 01/12/09 05:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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and that is what makes this race so unique. i wouldn't want to live with a race that acts the way their told and ill rate you accordingly.




what the fuck does this mean

which race?


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596256 - 01/12/09 05:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hard as fuck?

What does that mean?  And your telling me that considering the way one is percieved is dumb :rotfl:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596276 - 01/12/09 05:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i'm sure he said that caring about the way one is perceived on the internets is dumb. which it is.
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596277 - 01/12/09 05:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hahaha you rated me too, yeah your a unique one alright :rolleyes:
your the super rebel brah everyone else is conformists that just don't know what its like :rotfl:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596289 - 01/12/09 05:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The proposed change makes inherent sense.  I'm for it.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596292 - 01/12/09 05:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i have no idea what you are babbling on about mr alien conspiracy theorist :shrug:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9596295 - 01/12/09 05:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I've learned a hell of a lot from good people at the shroomery which has affected my reality.  People point out problems with my attitude / understanding and teach me then I learn and grow to be a better more intelligent person.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596300 - 01/12/09 05:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

it doesn't really matter imo

im pretty sure all of my 0 shroom ratings were some bullshit......

if that is indeed the case the weighted average doesn't really make any difference.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9596311 - 01/12/09 05:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Stereotyping does nothing to alter my understanding and is not a valid opinion that can prove anything.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596323 - 01/12/09 05:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Hahaha you rated me too, yeah your a unique one alright :rolleyes:
your the super rebel brah everyone else is conformists that just don't know what its like :rotfl:




i rated you because i know you'll rate me back a zer0.  which i really dont care about.  like i said earlier.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596348 - 01/12/09 05:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:seriousbusiness:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596362 - 01/12/09 05:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Your full of assumptions my friend.

You have no understanding of what I've said at all.

Can I ask you a question?

Have you ever thought about what people may think of you because of what you wear?

Do you have any tattoos or piecing?

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596379 - 01/12/09 05:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You should drop this bullshit

he's a tool, and you're now coming across as one too


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596393 - 01/12/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i thought we were talking about internet rating's here.


so know your more respected in society and have more friends because someone on the internet said that your internet attitude was bad and you changed?

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9596440 - 01/12/09 05:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

What's the point?
First off, it shouldn't be hard to make the connection between a bunch of consecutive zero ratings made by people with low ratings themselves and some sort of rating rape.

Secondly what's the difference between 4.1 and a 4.4, especially if I know they're weighted. It's a minute difference that 1) probably won't satisfy many people (I'm assuming this is a change proposed to lighten the load of OTD rating rapes and ratings from shitty puppets on those who get upset about it) since the changes will most likely be a small change to most ratings and 2) people will still get slews of zeros and see that and be pissed, whether those zeros are weighted or not.

I'm sure the vote will pass, so be it, but it just seems pointless to me. Will it change trade rates that much? Those are really the only truly relevant ratings.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9596458 - 01/12/09 05:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No I'm not talking about that.

I'm simply saying that everyone cares about what others think of them to some extent and its not necessarily a bad thing if they have a valid view and you learn from it.

Hell I've had so many things pointed out to me here.

I had a choice ignore them and continue with a flawed belief system or grow and learn from the experience.  Thats all I'm saying. 

Its not that ratings on a website matter but that communication with people can be beneficial.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jewunit]
    #9596480 - 01/12/09 05:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Secondly what's the difference between 4.1 and a 4.4




Says Mr 4.1 himself  :hehehe:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9596485 - 01/12/09 05:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well I didn't pluck the numbers out of my asshole.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jewunit]
    #9596510 - 01/12/09 05:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ideally, the rating of a poster on a website should reflect the quality of his or her posts, no?


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9596526 - 01/12/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

But the quality is an objection of the observer.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596542 - 01/12/09 05:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, quality is ultimately subjective.  But that's the point of taking the average of many people to determine a consensus about a particular poster's quality.

To willfully give someone a negative rating and then defend this with the argument that ratings are on the Internet, therefore they don't matter seems illogical.  :shrug:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9596544 - 01/12/09 05:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, and if someone has a 3.0, and another person is curious about someone's ratings because they want to know what quality that poster is, they can easily check the ratings of not only the 3.0 poster but the people who have rated him as well.
I mean if you really want to know about a person (say they gave you a piece of advice and you're curious to see if they're trustworthy) go and check why they got the ratings they got.
It shouldn't be hard to see if someone has a shitty rating because they dish out bad ratings and insults, if they have bad ratings because they're a fucking idiot, or if they have bad ratings because all they ever do is rate puppets zeros and get retaliatory ratings.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9596553 - 01/12/09 05:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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To willfully give someone a negative rating and then defend this with the argument that ratings are on the Internet, therefore they don't matter seems illogical.  :shrug:




Unless the logic lies in the satisfaction derived when someone goes apeshit about a negative rating


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jewunit]
    #9596554 - 01/12/09 05:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #9596571 - 01/12/09 05:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Unless the logic lies in the satisfaction derived when someone goes apeshit about a negative rating




:lol:.  And thus we see a microcosm of why injustice and taking pleasure in other people's misery will always prevail.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9596602 - 01/12/09 05:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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To willfully give someone a negative rating and then defend this with the argument that ratings are on the Internet, therefore they don't matter seems illogical.  :shrug:




Indeed, yet it happens often.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9596623 - 01/12/09 05:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I had the joy of a ratings rape my very first day here, but I still voted to keep things the same.

I look at it kind of like a right of passage, most people who venture into OTD get one.

Like others have said, it's really only the trade ratings that matter. If someone looked at my low general rating and really wanted to see where it came from they could simply see who posted the zeros and put 2 and 2 together very quickly.

OTD is just these people's home away from 4chan. /b/tards have their place in the world, just accept them and move on.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9596682 - 01/12/09 05:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

deCypher said:
To willfully give someone a negative rating and then defend this with the argument that ratings are on the Internet, therefore they don't matter seems illogical.  :shrug:




Indeed, yet it happens often.




I wept when I was at The Dark Night, during the Joker's rant about why Batman could not understand the Joker's motivation.  It truly was the first time I'd ever felt like someone understood me.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9596693 - 01/12/09 05:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money.  They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.  Some men just want to watch the world burn.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9596696 - 01/12/09 05:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Leary_Ban said:
Quote:

Ego Death said:
Quote:

deCypher said:
To willfully give someone a negative rating and then defend this with the argument that ratings are on the Internet, therefore they don't matter seems illogical.  :shrug:




Indeed, yet it happens often.




I wept when I was at The Dark Night, during the Joker's rant about why Batman could not understand the Joker's motivation.  It truly was the first time I'd ever felt like someone understood me.




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9596731 - 01/12/09 06:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Just delete OTD. No more rating raping, gone be the loser trolls, free up some bandwidth. Problem solved.

OTD is obviously the reason you're even considering this, so why not just get rid of that crap? First cut off the fuel, then put out the fire.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9596737 - 01/12/09 06:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You can't tell me that doesn't give you a chill.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9596745 - 01/12/09 06:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I fucking loved that line.

Also:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Dragonaut]
    #9596752 - 01/12/09 06:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Just delete OTD.




Delete the Pub.  At least OTD stays mostly out of the Pub.  You fuckers send us Coasters and Telepylii all the time.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Dragonaut]
    #9596764 - 01/12/09 06:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Dragonaut said:
Just delete OTD. No more rating raping, gone be the loser trolls, free up some bandwidth. Problem solved.

OTD is obviously the reason you're even considering this, so why not just get rid of that crap? First cut off the fuel, then put out the fire.




This man is a genius. That will solve all of the problems that aren't even real problems.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jewunit]
    #9596835 - 01/12/09 06:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Look at his ratings.

Explains his butt hurt-ed-ness toward OTD.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jewunit]
    #9596856 - 01/12/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

right on

I'm amazed at the number of people on a site that deals with psychedelics a great deal of the time that are unable to get OTD.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9596957 - 01/12/09 06:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:awebig:


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ythan, you rock dude.  i feel that my time at the shroomery was very positive and enjoyable, but this site is no longer for me. im not mad or upset or disappointed, i just want no part in a pg rated faggot festival.
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #9597039 - 01/12/09 06:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think ratings (other than trade) are pretty unimportant, the only thing that I think is negative about the whole ratings rape thing is that new members to the community often stumble into the OTD thinking its just some place for random chatter only to get a wave of nigger and scat porn hahahah

I fear this might turn out potential contributors to this great place and its wealth of knowledge. Though I dont think theres another place on the web like this one, I certainly don't think we should scare away the new kids for posting their akward "hi! I'm new! What species of magik shroomz are the best and also the easiest to grow?" in the wrong place :lol:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9597091 - 01/12/09 06:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for attempting to fix something that is obviously broken.  As someone who was intimately involved in creating the rate system in the first place (MattS was a close friend and associate), I pay particular attention to rates.  I see there are three camps of thought here at the Shroomery:

1) Those with low rates who say rates don't matter while running around attempting to prove their point by passing out zeros like popcorn to pigeons.
2)  Those with near perfect rates who say rates don't matter because they can afford to say that.
3)  Those who think rates matter but remain silent on the issue for fear of those in camp 1 will rate them merely to be malacious.

Let me say this before I comment directly on the proposed change.  Rates matter, here's one example.  I am a Trusted Identifier in the Hunting forum.  As such, I have an opportunity to tell you if your mushroom will be good to eat, good to trip or poison you.  I have, at times, withheld that information based on a person's rates.  If I have the time and some bumblefuck wanders into the forum looking for an ID with an extremely low rate, I'll do a review of his rates and the people who rated him.  If I find that good people, meaning those who take rates seriously and are good members of the community, have rated a person with zeros I have, and this is rarely, withheld the information.  My ID's are mine to give to who I choose.  If you really are an asshole you can get an ID from someone else, not me.

I think your idea is a good one but doesn't go far enough.  Weighted rates are a good idea but here is what I would add.  There are some long-standing members of the community that everyone loves.  Ripple is the first one that comes to mind.  A Veteran with lots of good rates should have more impact than someone who has fewer rates.  Also, since the administration has such tremendous responsibility their rates should count for more as well.  In other words, the more good rates you have, the more your rate should count.  If such a weighted system could be created it would be superior to the one currently proposed.

I especially appreciate your request for input.  It should make the membership feel valued.  Thanks for the opportunity to feedback.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: fireworks_god]
    #9597092 - 01/12/09 06:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I think that a user should have the option of disabling images from being posted in the ratings others leave for them. :shrug:




I second this. Not because I care that the OTDtards posts pictures of their girlfriends' ugly vaginas. But because other people might be offended by it. And also because of bandwidth issues.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Dragonaut]
    #9597103 - 01/12/09 06:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

for the record, i didnt want to see that shit either.  not all otd'ers are all about the shock pics


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ythan, you rock dude.  i feel that my time at the shroomery was very positive and enjoyable, but this site is no longer for me. im not mad or upset or disappointed, i just want no part in a pg rated faggot festival.
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #9597107 - 01/12/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9597123 - 01/12/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The "Trusted" tags are based on something other than the ratings you get from people and what their ratings are though, right?

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: MycoAu]
    #9597126 - 01/12/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Very good idea:crazy2:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9597295 - 01/12/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The "Trusted" tags are based on something other than the ratings you get from people and what their ratings are though, right?




That is correct.  TI tags are the result of performance as evaluated by the current moderators of the forum.  Also, if you are a former mod of the forum you get one as that has been a criterion for being a mod of the forum (at least in the hunting forum).


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9597632 - 01/12/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9597668 - 01/12/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If we do this, it gives the more senior members of OTD a chance to absolutely obliterate your ratings (most of them have hundreds of +5s).

Its also unfair, in a sense that one users opinion is worth more than another, based on what other people have said about that user.

There is no democratic way to resolve the 'ratings rape' issue, as a rating is another members opinion of a member.

This whole internet butt hurtz over ratings is starting to get ridiculous.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9597756 - 01/12/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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If we do this, it gives the more senior members of OTD a chance to absolutely obliterate your ratings (most of them have hundreds of +5s).




Do a rate check and see if any of these members misuse the rate system.  I would wager they don't.  And if they do, and have survived OTD, particularly harsh with rates, it says they are valuable to the community as a whole.  Who are we to disagree?

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Its also unfair, in a sense that one users opinion is worth more than another, based on what other people have said about that user.




That is a function of any society, including this one.  Whether it is fair or not is dependant on your idea of fairness.  As one example I suggested that the admins have a greater weighted rate.  Why is that unfair?  Don't you think they have a reasonable idea of who contributes to this community and who doesn't?

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Cepheus said:There is no democratic way to resolve the 'ratings rape' issue, as a rating is another members opinion of a member.




Perhaps no perfect system can be designed, however, anything can be improved on.

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Cepheus said:This whole internet butt hurtz over ratings is starting to get ridiculous.




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jazzillion]
    #9597762 - 01/12/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9597833 - 01/12/09 08:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't want to pick apart your post, but I still fail to see how a weighted rating system benefits anyone, as a general rule; keep it simple stupid.

The more obfuscations and tweaks we add to the already 'controversial' rating system we have, the more people will complain.

I see no problem with the current system, it is the most democratic way to go about things as all users are held in an equal light.

Just because a senior member has a couple of hundred +5s, doesn't mean they can't be a complete dick to a newbie and as the newbie would only have a few ratings, it would be impossible for them to equally express their dismay at the senior member.

I would benefit from the implementation of this system (i.e. my rating would increase), but ultimately I don't see how it can benefit anyone.

Maybe the best way to sanction or prevent those who partake in destroying other users ratings for a laugh should be by excluding them from the forums, or by taking away their privilege to rate other users :shrug:.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9597847 - 01/12/09 08:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

General ratings are an inherently flawed system, like a high school popularity contest.  It doesn't determine anything or make any difference.  Why should my rating of someone count less than someone else's who has higher ratings?  That will make it an even more bloodthirsty contest for high ratings.  You're giving those people who want to make puppets just to give out ratings more motivation to do that stuff.

I don't think that pandering to the whiners who can't handle silly internet zero shroom ratings is the answer.  I think the system works just fine on its own.  No one deserves a perfect rating, except of course, Jesus.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597852 - 01/12/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus and perhaps Ripple:yesnod:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597868 - 01/12/09 09:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

A more interesting poll would be to determine what percentage of OTDers want the ratings system to stay the same vs. how many non-OTDers want to change it.

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    #9597881 - 01/12/09 09:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think an even more interesting poll would be an IQ test results poll between the two groups.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597883 - 01/12/09 09:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Barring that, an armed fight to the death.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9597908 - 01/12/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The divide is half the problem man. If we dropped the fucking us and them mentality (and vice versa) there would be no need for any of this bullshit.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9597922 - 01/12/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, as a general rule, kiss.  However, the administration is trying to please the membership, and some have complained.  It's hard to argue with that.  If you check the poll, most people are happy with the current proposal.  Perhaps this is because they feel like they matter.  It may not be because they like the proposal.  Many years ago a company used the suggestions of the employees to make changes within the organization.  Each time people applauded the change even when the changes were diametrically opposed to each other.  At one point they took the in-house music away, people were happy about it; another time they put it back, and, once again, the people were happy.  After a few of these changes the board realized that what was making the people happy was the fact that the board was listening to them!  Not that the changes were the source of their happiness/unhappiness.

Did you check to see if the members you were talking about abused the system?  If not, your argument has less weight.

I've seen some talk now about what to do with OTDers, or whoever, that misuse the system.  I don't know if anyone has considered the fact that the Shroomery has supporters, and those supporters help pay the bills.  All factors must be considered when trying to please the community.  One of those factors is money.  We don't run on good looks around here in case no one noticed.

By the way, just so it is said, I appreciate your input even if we don't agree.  Ythan and the administration have this forum for that reason.  Just another reason to thank them.


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Ps after reading the subsequent posts since I wrote mine I want to add we owe GlowingEleven a debt of gratitude.  Her idea of rating all the n00bs a zero automatically when they registered to see if she could become the #1 top rated member was the beginning of the rate misuse.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9597928 - 01/12/09 09:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597934 - 01/12/09 09:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9597936 - 01/12/09 09:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like a good idea to me.
I say go for it.:super:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9598032 - 01/12/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.




Just like you can't solve disagreements through insults and other vulgar retorts. Pushing your ideologies on me makes you just as much of a hypocrite.

I willingly accept that people will disagree over lots of things and I completely accept that the aforementioned parties will probably end up rating each other accordingly. Where I start to disagree is where the mutual rating of another user becomes a public flogging of their ratings for no other reason than you think they're some hippie pussy faggot (can you not see this blindingly obvious hypocrisy yet?).

We probably shouldn't do this here though, as you said, this isn't the place for pushing our personal agendas.


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    #9598086 - 01/12/09 09:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.




Just like you can't solve disagreements through insults and other vulgar retorts. Pushing your ideologies on me makes you just as much of a hypocrite.

I willingly accept that people will disagree over lots of things and I completely accept that the aforementioned parties will probably end up rating each other accordingly. Where I start to disagree is where the mutual rating of another user becomes a public flogging of their ratings for no other reason than you think they're some hippie pussy faggot (can you not see this blindingly obvious hypocrisy yet?).

We probably shouldn't do this here though, as you said, this isn't the place for pushing our personal agendas.




There was nothing vulgar about what I said to you.  You clearly can't get over a zero shroom rating, LOL.

I am sure that any humor that lies within the realm of the OTD mentality eludes you so I won't even try to go there with an explanation other than the following:  Suffice it to say that the entire concept of ratings rapings, from my perspective, is a parody of the banality of general ratings and the seriousness invested in them by people who regard them with such importance. 

Most of the time, people who get ratings raped are the ones who make a point to complain openly about a bad rating that they got, and how it affected their overall rating.  It's our way of saying, hey, you're taking this shit too seriously.  They're welcome to return the ratings - and they usually do.  They're welcome to wage their own ratings war.  It's all very humorous, really.  I am so glad I have a sense of humor.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9598185 - 01/12/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I know there wasn't anything vulgar, I was just retorting by representing the opposite end of the spectrum.

Ultimately there has to be a middle ground, a plane where both entities can co-exist. I agree that the abolition of general ratings would completely remove any dispute between members of both forums, but I can't see people letting go of the ratings system that easily.

I understand that people spend a lot of time cultivating their ratings and as a result people almost obtain a sense of pride about them. What right do you have to decide that their beliefs are stupid and to then 'destroy' them? Are you implying that you are somehow better than them? 

To be honest, a bad rating from you means very little to me, as this is the first time I've ever actually interacted with you.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9598260 - 01/12/09 10:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think you're bestowing far too great a philosophical significance into this entire ordeal. 

Also, you are reaching and grasping for really irrational conclusions based on what I've said.  I don't think I've suggested that I am better than anyone.  Like I said, they have just as much a right to give me a bad rating as I do them. 

I didn't make any suggestion about totally removing the ratings completely, either.  I'm just saying - pandering to people who get upset about their bad ratings is just encouraging more complaining and another entirely new set of problems involving ratings.

Leave them as they are, and lay down the last word about them - no graphic grotesque/sick imagery, otherwise anything goes - it is, after all, purely one's OPINION about another user.  It should be left up to the people who read those ratings to determine whether or not to take them seriously or to pass them over as absurd internet ridiculousness.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9598271 - 01/12/09 10:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I think you're bestowing far too great a philosophical significance into this entire ordeal. 




That sums me up in a sentence.

I can agree with what you say and you make some good points. I'll leave it at that :smile:.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jazzillion]
    #9598295 - 01/12/09 10:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the new idea =] weighted average for me :yesnod:


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    #9598300 - 01/12/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9598346 - 01/12/09 10:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I voted against it. It's an appeasement system for a bunch of emotional teenagers whose balls have yet to drop. However, I do feel bad that the admins undoubtedly have to deal with PM's and support tickets daily by said faggots crying about their ratings. (posted this in anon earlier, moving it here)


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9598377 - 01/12/09 10:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Evidently you've never been a babysitter, i.e. one who watches others for money.

I don't see what all the negative opinions are for other than venting.  The poll shows this to be an overwhelmingly popular change.  :shrug:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9598385 - 01/12/09 10:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think there should be a minimum number of ratings recieved by a particular user before their ratings of other users recieve weighting. 


So a person's ratings of others would recieve minimum weighting untill that person had themselves recieved five (or three or whatever) ratings.  Once they recieve five ratings, their ratings of other users become weighted in the manner ythan suggests.

This would prevent the guy that registered an account today and got a 5 shroom rating of "HI, welcome" from being treated as more important than veggie (edit: or Seuss since veggie apparently has perfect ratings)- a user widely appreciated and who is very helpful on the boards.  I am presuming that someone who has one or two ratings is more likely to have a perfect 5 average than a more established user.


Yeah, it doesn't really matter, but this seems to make sense to me.  If your going to weight, why not require a few ratings to average before presuming that average means anything?  -next revision you can add confidence intervals  :smile:




Also, while the ratings have little importance I don't see what that has to do with whether the change is good or not.  Maybe the rating system should be removed entirely, but that's a seperate discusion imo.  Seems folks like to hold contests over who can care the least about their ratings.  Seems just as childish as the guy bitching about a 0 rating honestly.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9598395 - 01/12/09 10:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Evidently you've never been a babysitter, i.e. one who watches others for money.

I don't see what all the negative opinions are for other than venting.  The poll shows this to be an overwhelmingly popular change.  :shrug:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: johnm214]
    #9598450 - 01/12/09 10:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Those are great points, John.

What I find asinine is the idea that rates do not matter.  As I have proven, rates to matter because they matter to some.  In my forum you'll receive poorer service if you're an asshole.  That's life and that's the way it should be in my opinion.  The most anyone can say is, "Rate do not matter to me."  They cannot say rates do not matter because they do matter to some people.  If that weren't the case we wouldn't be having this discussion.

As far as others go, I generally pay more attention to avatars.  I find they say a lot about a person. :wink:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9598512 - 01/12/09 10:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I voted for it.

Chances are, if it hurts yer rating it is because yer a total penis wrinkle. 

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    #9598557 - 01/12/09 10:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think that you're all reading way too much into this.  If I were you Ythan, I'd have added a negative weighting system and then sat back and watched as the hilarity ensued.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9598742 - 01/12/09 11:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Seems like an overreaction to a non-problem to me, but hey, it's your prerogative. Not like my rating would suffer.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
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great idea, you got my vote ythan.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9598798 - 01/12/09 11:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't want to pick apart your post, but I still fail to see how a weighted rating system benefits anyone, as a general rule; keep it simple stupid.

The more obfuscations and tweaks we add to the already 'controversial' rating system we have, the more people will complain.

I see no problem with the current system, it is the most democratic way to go about things as all users are held in an equal light.

Just because a senior member has a couple of hundred +5s, doesn't mean they can't be a complete dick to a newbie and as the newbie would only have a few ratings, it would be impossible for them to equally express their dismay at the senior member.



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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9599182 - 01/13/09 01:24 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

People, like me, who got their ratings destroyed by OTD'ers, who give each other high ratings, don't benefit from the weighted average system. My ratings, though, are only a few tenths higher with this system.

I personally think that something needs to be done about the Off-Topic Discussion forum. Something.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Poid]
    #9599250 - 01/13/09 01:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Not that you need to be reminded but:

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I've recently started to rate people by classes, based on many criterion, but basically based on where they stand on society, and why; based on their efficiency. The people of the lower classes are easy to deal with, and are basically pawns that don't mean much in terms of competition.




That was said in P&S and leaked into OTD.

Perhaps, and I'm just spitballing here, the phrase "judge not lest you be judged" and "reap what you have sown" come into play.

Many people come here with an idea of what the Shroomery should be like.  You're not the first one nor likely to be the last.  The Shroomery is what it is.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Poid]
    #9599290 - 01/13/09 01:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I personally think that something needs to be done about the Off-Topic Discussion forum. Something.




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9599413 - 01/13/09 02:20 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Not that you need to be reminded but:

Quote:

Poid said:

I've recently started to rate people by classes, based on many criterion, but basically based on where they stand on society, and why; based on their efficiency. The people of the lower classes are easy to deal with, and are basically pawns that don't mean much in terms of competition.




That was said in P&S and leaked into OTD.

Perhaps, and I'm just spitballing here, the phrase "judge not lest you be judged" and "reap what you have sown" come into play.

Many people come here with an idea of what the Shroomery should be like.  You're not the first one nor likely to be the last.  The Shroomery is what it is.

Sorry about your "luck."




Are you saying that what I said there about people is untrue? I wasn't merely judging, and anyways I have been righteously judged and what I have sown has been righteously reaped upon me.

Why does it matter who rates people? Maybe I was a little rough, but the hierarchal peck order is just the construct of nature.

My luck is what it is, no need to be sorry about it.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Poid]
    #9599544 - 01/13/09 03:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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People, like me, who got their ratings destroyed by OTD'ers, who give each other high ratings, don't benefit from the weighted average system. My ratings, though, are only a few tenths higher with this system.

I personally think that something needs to be done about the Off-Topic Discussion forum. Something.


otd is a speaciel place for speacial people,just cause you couldnt handle it doesnt mean no body else can,the shroomery has different forums for different people and if you stick to your place then the ratings are good for what you post in,just dont stray lookin for love in all the rong places.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: D_S_G]
    #9599548 - 01/13/09 03:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I feel the Pub is off-topic discussion with rules. OTD is... well, about as off-topic as you can humanly get on a forum like this. It serves its purpose well.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9599644 - 01/13/09 03:26 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, I'm really fucking drunk and I'm not too sure my point really makes any sense.

Take the ratings I've given out vs. the ratings Idiotek has given out. Approximately 35% of the ratings Idiotek has given out are zeros, and approximately 39% of the ratings I've given out are zeros (these are approximate because I'm drunk and I'm sure my counting skills aren't that great.)

However looking at where I post and where Idiotek posts one would probably assumer Idiotek has given out more zero ratings per rate than I (OTD gang rapes and such which is again, I'm assuming, a major factor to this proposed change.) This can be established because I typically only rate what I perceive as annoying fucking puppets that make OTD, or the Pub, a shithole to read a zero, and good posters of the Pub a 5, and the posters of OTD that I interact with and enjoy a 5. My unscientific poll of Idiotek's ratings reveals about the same results (I'm guessing we have a negative correlation/causation relationship since I'm a Pub poster and he's an OTD poster.)

However Idiotek's weighted average would be 3.8, and mine is 4.4. Does that mean, even though I typically give out more zeros to what I perceive as douchebags, my ratings will mean more than Idiotek's, even though presumably he gives out less zeros for the same reasons?


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9599656 - 01/13/09 03:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Abuse]
    #9599662 - 01/13/09 03:29 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Luckily this isn't about OTD vs. the rest of the site, it's about weighted vs. unweighted ratings.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: MycoAu]
    #9599688 - 01/13/09 03:35 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I like the idea. No more stupid trolls lowering my ratings. Yes I know I'm a rating whore...


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: dead]
    #9599797 - 01/13/09 04:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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jewunit said:
Luckily this isn't about OTD vs. the rest of the site, it's about weighted vs. unweighted ratings.






Quote:

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I feel the Pub is off-topic discussion with rules. OTD is... well, about as off-topic as you can humanly get on a forum like this. It serves its purpose well.



i agree


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Yes I like the idea. No more stupid trolls lowering my ratings. Yes I know I'm a rating whore...



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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jewunit]
    #9599865 - 01/13/09 05:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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However Idiotek's weighted average would be 3.8, and mine is 4.4. Does that mean, even though I typically give out more zeros to what I perceive as douchebags, my ratings will mean more than Idiotek's, even though presumably he gives out less zeros for the same reasons?




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Poid]
    #9599888 - 01/13/09 05:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

That's right, complain about OTD, that will totally not make us want to rape your ratings.  PS, most of the ratings rapists in OTD are going to completely annihilate your ratings even worse if Ythan implements the new weighted system.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9599929 - 01/13/09 05:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thats sounded pathetic.

I read that as "if you complain about OTD we will rape your ratings" a cheap shot at blackmail and bullying over internet ratings. 

Get a fucking life man.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ego Death]
    #9599940 - 01/13/09 05:43 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If you think about it, the new system will just weigh your ratings down even more unless you have a TON of +5 ratings from people who have high ratings themselves.  Most of the OTD ratings rapists all have high ratings themselves.  I didn't mean that, if you vote for the new system and say so I'm going to give you a zero.  I don't care that much.

It's common knowledge that if you complain about your ratings openly, you're likely to get rated accordingly.  Giving that much of a shit about internet shroom ratings is really, really pathetic.  If I can get LOL's from watching people who care so much about them get so upset about it, well, that's fine by me.  You can call me a loser all you want, you're still the one who's crying about your white shrooms.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9599967 - 01/13/09 06:02 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:seriousbusiness:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: johnm214]
    #9599980 - 01/13/09 06:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe the rating system should be removed entirely, but that's a seperate discusion imo.  Seems folks like to hold contests over who can care the least about their ratings.  Seems just as childish as the guy bitching about a 0 rating honestly.



i agree. and i also think the system is fine the way it is now, everyone's opinion should carry the same weight.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9600077 - 01/13/09 07:07 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I voted against it. It's an appeasement system for a bunch of emotional teenagers whose balls have yet to drop. However, I do feel bad that the admins undoubtedly have to deal with PM's and support tickets daily by said faggots crying about their ratings. (posted this in anon earlier, moving it here)



I agree with this, but don't really care that much. I think it's fine how it is and post count shouldn't affect anything.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9600080 - 01/13/09 07:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I voted against it. It's an appeasement system for a bunch of emotional teenagers whose balls have yet to drop. However, I do feel bad that the admins undoubtedly have to deal with PM's and support tickets daily by said faggots crying about their ratings. (posted this in anon earlier, moving it here)




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jazzillion]
    #9600404 - 01/13/09 09:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I am very big on equality, but I STILL voted for a weighted rating (I didn't even check how high the ratings of those who voted for me are, infact, I bet my rating will be lowered.) because when some has a low rating, normally there is a reason for it. (Although my low rating is basically because people either misunderstand me, or they don't catch my very weird sense of humour.)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: The Centre]
    #9600542 - 01/13/09 10:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Voted for the weighted avg.

seems like the best idea.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Angel_Above]
    #9600572 - 01/13/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

it's obvious which way this will sway.  it's basically OTD and a few other's who don't care about their ratings vs. the rest of the community.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: blood4blood]
    #9600742 - 01/13/09 11:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The new weighting system sounds heavy to me.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9600761 - 01/13/09 11:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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However Idiotek's weighted average would be 3.8, and mine is 4.4. Does that mean, even though I typically give out more zeros to what I perceive as douchebags, my ratings will mean more than Idiotek's, even though presumably he gives out less zeros for the same reasons?




Well, yes. Your ratings will count more since you yourself have a higher rating.




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jewunit]
    #9600812 - 01/13/09 11:29 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, i haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is a repeat somehow.  I didn't want to waste my time with the majority of threads which have been a bitch-fest. 

Instead of an average weighted score, why not just have a third score completely separate from the rating that can be given by the general populus.  This third rating is only something that a "proven" member can give.  TCs, TIs, Mods, Admin, etc. are the only members allowed into this catagory.  Because of the limited time that people of these catagories have to devote to any given subject/area, it would most likely mean something "special" to have one of these take the time to rate somebody in addition to the general respect somebody with these titles generally engenders.

It's just an idea and I understand that it may be too specific or ego-boosting, but it's someplace to start with increasing the credibility of ratings overall.  I don't expect anything to please everybody or to have meaning for everybody, but I find the ratings system helpful when weighted with common sense.

Ythan- thanks for taking the time to continue trying to improve this site.  I enjoy spending time here for a reason!

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #9600964 - 01/13/09 11:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I voted against it. It's an appeasement system for a bunch of emotional teenagers whose balls have yet to drop. However, I do feel bad that the admins undoubtedly have to deal with PM's and support tickets daily by said faggots crying about their ratings. (posted this in anon earlier, moving it here)




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: D_S_G]
    #9601077 - 01/13/09 12:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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People, like me, who got their ratings destroyed by OTD'ers, who give each other high ratings, don't benefit from the weighted average system. My ratings, though, are only a few tenths higher with this system.

I personally think that something needs to be done about the Off-Topic Discussion forum. Something.


otd is a speaciel place for speacial people,just cause you couldnt handle it doesnt mean no body else can,the shroomery has different forums for different people and if you stick to your place then the ratings are good for what you post in,just dont stray lookin for love in all the rong places.





Then so much for "we are all one"! :lol:

But seriously, when I first came to this website, I thought that every forum was for everybody; I didn't think that there were cliques and gangs and such. We are "shroomers", yet we don't practice the reality of interconnectedness.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Abuse]
    #9601087 - 01/13/09 12:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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OTD should be renamed 'kindergarten'




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Poid]
    #9601534 - 01/13/09 01:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There aren't cliques and gangs so much as people who don't tolerate faggotry.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9601541 - 01/13/09 01:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I like the idea of the weighted ratings.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9601543 - 01/13/09 01:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

voted for the change. sounds fun, and would benefit a lot of good people, and discourage a lot of assholes


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    #9601690 - 01/13/09 02:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

it should give people like roadkill and RR etc.....the ones that definitely know their stuff, a noticeable rating difference than that of a good rated noob.  great poll.  change the rating system.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9602717 - 01/13/09 05:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This is bullshit and will result in bullying and further misuse of the rating system.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: 7734591202]
    #9602733 - 01/13/09 05:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to go ahead and agree with the "any rating system will always be abused by certain assholes" argument. It sucks, but that's life.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: DaVinci]
    #9602751 - 01/13/09 05:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

True but those that get a bad rating will have almost no voice to fight back if it was their first rating.  Or will they have any voice at all?

I could care less about my ratings but this seems a bit unfair to me.:shrug:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: 7734591202]
    #9602799 - 01/13/09 05:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They shouldn't have a voice, because they are new.  The whole point is to give more weight to more important people.  Most would think that would be those who are regulars and those, further, likely have many ratings.


I like the minimum threshold idea.  Don't weight someone's given ratings unless they have themselves recieved five ratings first.  If they are below the minimum threshold then their ratings should count the same as the minimum weight (0 shrooms I'd guess).

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9602831 - 01/13/09 05:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I voted average because the general ratings is pretty gay anyways.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9602977 - 01/13/09 06:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thoughtful idea there Ythor, dumb, but thoughtful for the cry babies of the world.  Weighted or not, ratings matter not.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: TrippinTeddy]
    #9603568 - 01/13/09 07:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You can exploit my loop hole anytime.  :naughty:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Poid]
    #9603890 - 01/13/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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People, like me, who got their ratings destroyed by OTD'ers, who give each other high ratings, don't benefit from the weighted average system. My ratings, though, are only a few tenths higher with this system.

I personally think that something needs to be done about the Off-Topic Discussion forum. Something.


otd is a speaciel place for speacial people,just cause you couldnt handle it doesnt mean no body else can,the shroomery has different forums for different people and if you stick to your place then the ratings are good for what you post in,just dont stray lookin for love in all the rong places.





Then so much for "we are all one"! :lol:

But seriously, when I first came to this website, I thought that every forum was for everybody; I didn't think that there were cliques and gangs and such. We are "shroomers", yet we don't practice the reality of interconnectedness.



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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: D_S_G]
    #9603922 - 01/13/09 08:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why are people so worried about OTD ratings? If you're worried so much about it, stay the fuck out of OTD! Problem solved. Duh.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: FooMan]
    #9604056 - 01/13/09 08:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

either way is fine with me.  I think we should vote on making this a hookup site or not next.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9604065 - 01/13/09 08:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I vote yes to that!

I hear they are giving out laptops for blow jobs in Ohio.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: TrippinTeddy]
    #9604172 - 01/13/09 09:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Average.

Maybe the rules and limitations should minimize/negate the splash a new guy can make, it would be worse to promote cliques and misinformed elitism; especially in the P+S forum.

Thats what I think.

But I like minimum threshold idea.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: daytripper23]
    #9604186 - 01/13/09 09:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think weighted serves no real purpose, and would actually make cliques more powerful in the end.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: daytripper23]
    #9604237 - 01/13/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There is already a minimum threshold system in place.  You cannot rate anyone until you have 50 posts.  Changing the minimum under the new system sets up a preference between social forums and the forums the Shroomery has for its raison d'être, mushroom cultivation and mushroom identification.  I don't know about cultivation because I don't read or post there, but at the Hunting forum members regularly received positive rates from new members for helping identify mushrooms or saving someone's life by averting a poisoning.  That's a shade different from the social forums where being someone's friends gets you a high 5 or beating someone into the ground with your words (think P&S) gets you points.

I strongly oppose such a measure.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9604266 - 01/13/09 09:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I still contend saving the life of someone who would eat a mushroom without proper ID interferes with natural selection and is hardly commendable.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9604311 - 01/13/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:  Yes, that is something to consider.  So far, in over ten years, we haven't lost anyone yet.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9604312 - 01/13/09 09:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Seems like a great way to cancel out the trolls.  I'm all for it. :thumbup:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Silversoul]
    #9604684 - 01/13/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Seems like a great way to cancel out the trolls.  I'm all for it. :thumbup:





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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: daytripper23]
    #9604952 - 01/13/09 11:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ratings rape hurts your avg. more now than with this new method.  This new method doesn't do anything for the ratings rape except lube it all up.  Lube is good.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9604993 - 01/13/09 11:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i voted, but quick question: could you make the poll results a weighted percentage?


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: 7734591202]
    #9605214 - 01/14/09 12:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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True but those that get a bad rating will have almost no voice to fight back if it was their first rating.  Or will they have any voice at all?




Dude, you're not supposed to 'fight back' with ratings. You get better ratings by making better posts.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: canid]
    #9605219 - 01/14/09 12:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, my vote should be worth more than other because I pay more taxes


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cowgold]
    #9605243 - 01/14/09 12:12 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well, to clarify, the actual ratings weren't my real concern. I just don't think internet egos need any kind of further gratification.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: FooMan]
    #9605470 - 01/14/09 12:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Why are people so worried about OTD ratings? If you're worried so much about it, stay the fuck out of OTD! Problem solved. Duh.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #9605472 - 01/14/09 12:53 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah, my vote should be worth more than other because I pay more taxes


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: D_S_G]
    #9605485 - 01/14/09 12:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you never participate in ratings rapes anyway? :mad2: That's very unshroomy of you.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Delicious Apes]
    #9605506 - 01/14/09 01:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you never participate in ratings rapes anyway? :mad2: That's very unshroomy of you.




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Delicious Apes]
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Why do you never participate in ratings rapes anyway? :mad2: That's very unshroomy of you.




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Why do you never participate in ratings rapes anyway? :mad2: That's very unshroomy of you.







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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: D_S_G]
    #9606332 - 01/14/09 05:37 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No matter what system is used, people will find reasons to whine about their ratings for whatever reason- OTD ratings rapings, Sucklesworth's serial nomnom zero shroom GlowingEleven style rampage, etc.  Making a change to the system as it is now will only reinforce the notion that whining about it will get you somewhere if you get enough people doing it in unison.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9606368 - 01/14/09 05:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

>will only reinforce the notion that whining about it will get you somewhere if you get enough people doing it in unison.

What's wrong with that? Isn't that kinda how democracy works?


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9606369 - 01/14/09 05:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

the shroomery is not a democracy

just cuz the admins are tired of you whining and are taking a poll, doesnt mean its a democracy.  pretty much what ythair says goes


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #9606377 - 01/14/09 06:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, but I wasn't saying that the shroomery was a democracy, just that "whining in unison to get somewhere" is pretty much how democracy works, and there's nothing wrong with that.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9606444 - 01/14/09 06:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

you don't understand.

Any post re: ratings or the ratings system that allows 'bad ratings' becomes a contest to see who cares least about their ratings.  To play you must proclaim your indiference to those little blue shrooms often and strongly, and you must bemoan those who mention them or the system that allows them.  Bonus points if you can find someone who cares about ratings and can demonstrate how much less you care about ratings than them.

By taking an opinion in the matter you've crept closer to caring about ratings and thus aren't doing well compared to the competition.  You should say "I don't care, ratings are stupid.  Who cares about ratings, leave it the way it is and let the sisies complain".  Good Luck!


(and yeah, I agree the proffered system favors new folks, that's why i proposed the threshold before your ratings are weighted to give them time to normalize with the average user and make any deviatios meaningful.  Obviously its arbitrary, but I think its easy to understand and better than simple weighting.  Course the system we have now is fine as well.  Ratings seem more like a social thing anyways.  BTW, who are these complainers that keep being mentioned?  Who is complaining about rating or the given system?)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: johnm214]
    #9606533 - 01/14/09 07:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I changed my mind, I think this weighted system is unnecessary. It seems it would only serve to amplify the feedback effect of both positive and negative ratings, since giving a rating would now influence your received rating in an additional subtle way. The way it is used right now is already strongly polarized and a lot about who cares less indeed though. Leave it as it is, a social phenomena with its own feedback mechanisms.

Is there any stats about the sum total of given 0s, 1s, 2s, etc, across all members ? Are zeros and fives overly represented ? Would that only serves to increase this polarization ?

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9606944 - 01/14/09 09:37 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, but I wasn't saying that the shroomery was a democracy, just that "whining in unison to get somewhere" is pretty much how democracy works, and there's nothing wrong with that.




True, zouden.  I find it interesting that the administration attempts to fix a problem that members complain about, and some complain about the fix.  You know, we only have this forum because the administration cares about what we think.  That should make people feel valued.  God knows you can't please everyone.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9607467 - 01/14/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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No matter what system is used, people will find reasons to whine about their ratings for whatever reason- OTD ratings rapings, Sucklesworth's serial nomnom zero shroom GlowingEleven style rampage, etc.  Making a change to the system as it is now will only reinforce the notion that whining about it will get you somewhere if you get enough people doing it in unison.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9609498 - 01/14/09 04:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

damn ythan this is entirely gay


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cherk]
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #9609672 - 01/14/09 05:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

ythan is cool
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cherk]
    #9609698 - 01/14/09 05:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: johnm214]
    #9611509 - 01/14/09 10:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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you don't understand.

Any post re: ratings or the ratings system that allows 'bad ratings' becomes a contest to see who cares least about their ratings.  To play you must proclaim your indiference to those little blue shrooms often and strongly, and you must bemoan those who mention them or the system that allows them.  Bonus points if you can find someone who cares about ratings and can demonstrate how much less you care about ratings than them.

By taking an opinion in the matter you've crept closer to caring about ratings and thus aren't doing well compared to the competition.  You should say "I don't care, ratings are stupid.  Who cares about ratings, leave it the way it is and let the sisies complain".  Good Luck!


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So what's your point, exactly?  Are you trying to be witty or something?

Essentially, you've just admitted that you don't know shit about the entire debate in the first place.  You don't know anything about ratings or the fact that a LOT of people have complained about the OTD rating rapings, you didn't know that ratings can't be given until after a set minimum of posts, and after all that preachy criticism of not caring about ratings you still insinuate that you don't think that ratings are important. 

What the fuck is your point?  You're just a windbag.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9612187 - 01/14/09 11:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Just an observation that people that claim to totally not care about ratings seem to spend a large amount of time proclaiming the fact when simple silence could suffice.  I just don't get the big deal about a proposed change and why that has to suggest some inappropriate level of concern over your ratings.

I'm aware of the fifty post limit, but that doesn't affect my opinion.  I alos agree, like you say, that ratings aren't that important but there fine and a good feature.  They're a social thing- you can thank someone for their post or say you disagree with them and their an asshole.  I just don't think it really affects the way people read posts is all.

And yeah, I'm aware of the complaining posts, I'm saying that I don't think they're too numerous, though my opinion isn't that important since I don't deal with them or see the support tickets, or that this new system will have any effect on that.

And in the end, I don't see what the percieved motivations for the change has to do with the merits of it.  If its a good idea its good whether or not whinny people benifit- and likewise if its not.  I like it so long as people with one rating aren't given more importance on average than someone like Seuss or Entropymancer or other folks that frequent here and contribute a lot.  I think that people that frequent the boards likely have lower ratings than the person who's recieved one rating- likely a welcom rating.  And I think the former should have a greater influence.

Your whining about people whinging about people whining comment is spot on, but it still seems strange that people who don't care about ratings seem to jump at the chance to proclaim such evertime they come up in  website admin n feedback.  Seems like they are quite concerned with ratings- only their concern is to be percieved as not caring about them.  Same as the guy whining over their 0 shroom rating- just a different end of the spectrum.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: johnm214]
    #9612380 - 01/15/09 12:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

But I don't act like I care or don't care about ratings, but I've made it clear silence DOESN'T suffice.
Why is this?
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jazzillion]
    #9612436 - 01/15/09 01:05 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I voted for the weighted average, looks like most of us did


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9612474 - 01/15/09 01:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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if the person who rated you has zero shrooms themselves, their rating for you is counted once.



unrated users would be slighted.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: California]
    #9612775 - 01/15/09 03:29 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This debate as a whole is totally retarded.

Seriously??? Ratings on an internet forum?

Jesus fucking Christ people, listen to your selfs. Weighted or not, you will still get raped, people will still throw hissy fits because they are insecure, emotionally fragile people. Exposing peoples petty insecurities is one of my favorite past time. People make the most inane shit important. Pushing a person over the edge over such a petty thing is actually doing them a favor. Maybe they will learn not to take life so fucking serious, and then maybe they just might release the death grip on their assholes, and loosen up.

Once again, entire subject... FUCKING STUPID.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: TrippinTeddy]
    #9612927 - 01/15/09 05:06 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So... which way did you vote?


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9613241 - 01/15/09 07:40 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Let's go with only trade ratings. Ditch the weighted idea, noobs will be murdered if they accidently find the OTD'ers.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: old mushmellow]
    #9613831 - 01/15/09 11:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Most of the people who get ratings raped by OTD have already become a burden to the rest of the site with their posts.  Sometimes mods and admins move threads for the sole purpose of fucking the OP.  We're sort of like the maggots who consume the rotting flesh of the shroomery.  We get fed, the Pub doesn't die of sepsis. It's a win-win.

It's very simple really.  If you'd like to post in OTD, just be aware that you're making a commitment to us.

I think the reason Ythair and the other admins tolerate OTD is twofold: We have our role to play in the overall health of the site; we also represent a facet of the psychedelic experience quite well.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9614064 - 01/15/09 11:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

When is this being implemented?

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9614102 - 01/15/09 11:47 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:Clap:

I would suggest that OTD 'aint entirely this 'gang entity'  It's not a corner that is separate from the rest of the site..

Plenty reg's in OTD travel the site and make some of the best members.  I would bet a few OTD crocodilles are puppets of members that OTD haters admire deeply. 

As far as ratings... Whatever..  My saintly mother taught me to take people at face value.

That is the Value of the way they treat you, and the way you first hand see them treat others.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9614820 - 01/15/09 01:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Giving in to the butthurtzes?

:nonono:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9617497 - 01/15/09 08:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

this poll is invalid, as there is no STAL option.

im not going to vote, because i honestly dont care. but i would like to point out that most (if not all) of the people getting rating raped deserve it for one reason or another. weather they are crying about a negative rating, or a noob who wandered into the wrong forum... they got what was coming to them.

i propose that people who bitch about their ratings should get a permanent 0, and their rating privileges revoked.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: wrestler_az]
    #9619463 - 01/16/09 06:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:rockon:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: wrestler_az]
    #9619534 - 01/16/09 07:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Finally!!! 

A voice of reason!


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9619718 - 01/16/09 08:11 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think it matters as far as general ratings go... average or weighted average, they really don't mean shit. while a good many people deserve their bad rating (or good rating), it could've been someone who just stumbled into OTD unknowingly. and who cares if they get pissed off it's just a rating that shows how liked you are. if this is a popularity contest, or thats what you're after on a website about psychedelics get the fuck out..

Quote:

Ythan said:


Quote:

Ferris said:
Deleting ratings from banned users is probably also appropriate.




Personally I think this makes sense, but people have voted against it in the past. We could take a new poll though if opinions have changed.

Thanks everyone who's voting and discussing this.






banned user ratings should be deleted.

for example i have 14 good trade ratings and one bad trade rating. my one bad trade rating is from a user who is banned. he was banned because of a series sketchy and sometimes illegal (or at least against shroomery rules) trades. when i tried to expose him for it he gave me a bad rating then got banned for it. yet all i did was send everything i promised in a timely manner to the banned user and exposed a liar/conartist who was trying to take advantage of members and put them in legal risk, what do i get? people thinking i jipped someone?

to most people it wouldn't matter, they'd overlook that one flaw in my rating because i have a good trading record otherwise, but it has cost me trades before, because someone would rather trade with a 5 trade shrooms user.


i understand someone could've actually cheated a trade with someone that was banned for other reasons (i.e. - getting out of hand in the pub) so maybe deleting trade ratings doesn't work.. but trade ratings should at least be tackled on a situational basis.

general ratings it doesn't matter if you delete ratings from banned users.. it shouldn't seem to have much effect either way.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9619782 - 01/16/09 08:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Do it up.

Also agree the quantity of rates should have some kind of an impact.
Like someone with 200 five shroom ratings would have more of an impact than someone with 3 five shrooms. And vica versa with 0s.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Shroomism]
    #9619959 - 01/16/09 09:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes Shroomism.  That is one of the points I brought up earlier.  That would be a true "weighted" system.  Perhaps it would be more difficult to implement, but it would be far superior to the one currently proposed.  If a member has been here for years and has a high rating (I don't care if they are from OTD!) their rate of someone should be weighted higher than a n00b that just got here with one 5 rate.

Also, I mentioned the administration should have a different weight on their rates.  That is, their opinion is worth more and should be counted as such.

Good comment.  :thumbup:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9620343 - 01/16/09 10:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes Shroomism.  That is one of the points I brought up earlier.  That would be a true "weighted" system.  Perhaps it would be more difficult to implement, but it would be far superior to the one currently proposed.  If a member has been here for years and has a high rating (I don't care if they are from OTD!) their rate of someone should be weighted higher than a n00b that just got here with one 5 rate.





This is gay.
I don't see why old members should have more importance or credibility than the rest, this is nothing more than exclusivist, "old gentlemen club" bull-shit. :whatever:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9620408 - 01/16/09 10:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

That's a good point.  Being here for years does contribute to a person's knowledge of the Shroomery, or should, but it does not automatically guarantee the usefulness of their posts/persona.  However, a person with numerous rates should be weighted heavier than a person with a single rate.  I find it hard to argue against that.  It is a mirror of what the community values.  The value of a community is that the existence of the community has value.  Circular, but axiomatic.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9620447 - 01/16/09 10:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed :tongue:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9620561 - 01/16/09 11:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:wink:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9620770 - 01/16/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:suckit:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: OldSpice]
    #9620825 - 01/16/09 11:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:oldman2:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9621034 - 01/16/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

good idea


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #9621444 - 01/16/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why not just make the ratings system private, like you can only see your own ratings.  That way OTD wouldn't piss everybody off and you could still get feedback from other members.  I certainly don't care about someone's rating, just the quality of their post.  It's always immediately obvious if somebody is a dickhead.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: sam420]
    #9621486 - 01/16/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

In the beginning, you couldn't tell who gave who what.  It was anonymous.  I can't remember why it was changed.  I think it was because of cowards that were running around giving everyone zeros because they said, "Rates don't matter."  With the current system a member has a chance to retaliate if they think it matters.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9621574 - 01/16/09 02:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I just meant they should be private, ie, only you can see your own ratings.  Then everyone would quit bitching about OTD and OTD wouldn't have any ammo against other members and nobody would get butthurt.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: sam420]
    #9621630 - 01/16/09 02:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

oic.  If the rates were private the community wouldn't know much about you unless they read your posts.  The rate system is supposed to be shorthand for that.  And it works.  Some people get all wanked out because they think a bad rate automatically makes you look bad.  It might, but only to people who don't read who rated whom.  Privatizing the rate system will not stop people from complaining about OTD or prevent OTD from being what it is.  Life at the Shroomery consists of knowing what OTD is and accepting it if you want peace of mind.  Evidently, some don't want that.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: OldSpice]
    #9621768 - 01/16/09 03:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9633128 - 01/18/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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oic.  If the rates were private the community wouldn't know much about you unless they read your posts.  The rate system is supposed to be shorthand for that.  And it works.




I think it would better serve that function if ratings were linked to single posts.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ojom]
    #9634417 - 01/18/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The Hive (for those you who know about it) used a system that rated individual posts based on a couple different criteria.  The total number of good posts lent credibility towards the people making those posts.  Only moderators/admins could make the call for ratings though.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Thin White Duke]
    #9634459 - 01/18/09 08:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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When is this being implemented?



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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Thin White Duke]
    #9637172 - 01/19/09 09:59 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"Soon", it's at the top of my to-do list along with the multiquote option I promised here. I need to think about some of the implementation details based on feedback in this thread.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9637198 - 01/19/09 10:09 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:rockon:

Multiquote FTW


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