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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9597756 - 01/12/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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If we do this, it gives the more senior members of OTD a chance to absolutely obliterate your ratings (most of them have hundreds of +5s).




Do a rate check and see if any of these members misuse the rate system.  I would wager they don't.  And if they do, and have survived OTD, particularly harsh with rates, it says they are valuable to the community as a whole.  Who are we to disagree?

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Its also unfair, in a sense that one users opinion is worth more than another, based on what other people have said about that user.




That is a function of any society, including this one.  Whether it is fair or not is dependant on your idea of fairness.  As one example I suggested that the admins have a greater weighted rate.  Why is that unfair?  Don't you think they have a reasonable idea of who contributes to this community and who doesn't?

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Cepheus said:There is no democratic way to resolve the 'ratings rape' issue, as a rating is another members opinion of a member.




Perhaps no perfect system can be designed, however, anything can be improved on.

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Cepheus said:This whole internet butt hurtz over ratings is starting to get ridiculous.




Then don't worry about it.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jazzillion]
    #9597762 - 01/12/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

no Its not high school thats the way smart people learn from the not so fortunate


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9597833 - 01/12/09 08:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't want to pick apart your post, but I still fail to see how a weighted rating system benefits anyone, as a general rule; keep it simple stupid.

The more obfuscations and tweaks we add to the already 'controversial' rating system we have, the more people will complain.

I see no problem with the current system, it is the most democratic way to go about things as all users are held in an equal light.

Just because a senior member has a couple of hundred +5s, doesn't mean they can't be a complete dick to a newbie and as the newbie would only have a few ratings, it would be impossible for them to equally express their dismay at the senior member.

I would benefit from the implementation of this system (i.e. my rating would increase), but ultimately I don't see how it can benefit anyone.

Maybe the best way to sanction or prevent those who partake in destroying other users ratings for a laugh should be by excluding them from the forums, or by taking away their privilege to rate other users :shrug:.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9597847 - 01/12/09 08:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

General ratings are an inherently flawed system, like a high school popularity contest.  It doesn't determine anything or make any difference.  Why should my rating of someone count less than someone else's who has higher ratings?  That will make it an even more bloodthirsty contest for high ratings.  You're giving those people who want to make puppets just to give out ratings more motivation to do that stuff.

I don't think that pandering to the whiners who can't handle silly internet zero shroom ratings is the answer.  I think the system works just fine on its own.  No one deserves a perfect rating, except of course, Jesus.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597852 - 01/12/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus and perhaps Ripple:yesnod:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597868 - 01/12/09 09:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

A more interesting poll would be to determine what percentage of OTDers want the ratings system to stay the same vs. how many non-OTDers want to change it.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9597881 - 01/12/09 09:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think an even more interesting poll would be an IQ test results poll between the two groups.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597883 - 01/12/09 09:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Barring that, an armed fight to the death.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: deCypher]
    #9597908 - 01/12/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The divide is half the problem man. If we dropped the fucking us and them mentality (and vice versa) there would be no need for any of this bullshit.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9597922 - 01/12/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, as a general rule, kiss.  However, the administration is trying to please the membership, and some have complained.  It's hard to argue with that.  If you check the poll, most people are happy with the current proposal.  Perhaps this is because they feel like they matter.  It may not be because they like the proposal.  Many years ago a company used the suggestions of the employees to make changes within the organization.  Each time people applauded the change even when the changes were diametrically opposed to each other.  At one point they took the in-house music away, people were happy about it; another time they put it back, and, once again, the people were happy.  After a few of these changes the board realized that what was making the people happy was the fact that the board was listening to them!  Not that the changes were the source of their happiness/unhappiness.

Did you check to see if the members you were talking about abused the system?  If not, your argument has less weight.

I've seen some talk now about what to do with OTDers, or whoever, that misuse the system.  I don't know if anyone has considered the fact that the Shroomery has supporters, and those supporters help pay the bills.  All factors must be considered when trying to please the community.  One of those factors is money.  We don't run on good looks around here in case no one noticed.

By the way, just so it is said, I appreciate your input even if we don't agree.  Ythan and the administration have this forum for that reason.  Just another reason to thank them.


Cheers,
MM

Ps after reading the subsequent posts since I wrote mine I want to add we owe GlowingEleven a debt of gratitude.  Her idea of rating all the n00bs a zero automatically when they registered to see if she could become the #1 top rated member was the beginning of the rate misuse.

Thanks GE.  You always were a bright girl.  :heart:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9597928 - 01/12/09 09:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9597934 - 01/12/09 09:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.




Clearly you haven't taken enough mushrooms yet to make you a gay hippie.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9597936 - 01/12/09 09:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like a good idea to me.
I say go for it.:super:

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9598032 - 01/12/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.




Just like you can't solve disagreements through insults and other vulgar retorts. Pushing your ideologies on me makes you just as much of a hypocrite.

I willingly accept that people will disagree over lots of things and I completely accept that the aforementioned parties will probably end up rating each other accordingly. Where I start to disagree is where the mutual rating of another user becomes a public flogging of their ratings for no other reason than you think they're some hippie pussy faggot (can you not see this blindingly obvious hypocrisy yet?).

We probably shouldn't do this here though, as you said, this isn't the place for pushing our personal agendas.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9598086 - 01/12/09 09:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You should save that for the Pub or P&S.  You see, there is a divide, and there are disagreements and differences between people with individual egos.  You can't solve every problem with crunchy hippie ideals and condescending banter about how everyone should just embrace your ideologies and the world would be some utopian paradise.




Just like you can't solve disagreements through insults and other vulgar retorts. Pushing your ideologies on me makes you just as much of a hypocrite.

I willingly accept that people will disagree over lots of things and I completely accept that the aforementioned parties will probably end up rating each other accordingly. Where I start to disagree is where the mutual rating of another user becomes a public flogging of their ratings for no other reason than you think they're some hippie pussy faggot (can you not see this blindingly obvious hypocrisy yet?).

We probably shouldn't do this here though, as you said, this isn't the place for pushing our personal agendas.




There was nothing vulgar about what I said to you.  You clearly can't get over a zero shroom rating, LOL.

I am sure that any humor that lies within the realm of the OTD mentality eludes you so I won't even try to go there with an explanation other than the following:  Suffice it to say that the entire concept of ratings rapings, from my perspective, is a parody of the banality of general ratings and the seriousness invested in them by people who regard them with such importance. 

Most of the time, people who get ratings raped are the ones who make a point to complain openly about a bad rating that they got, and how it affected their overall rating.  It's our way of saying, hey, you're taking this shit too seriously.  They're welcome to return the ratings - and they usually do.  They're welcome to wage their own ratings war.  It's all very humorous, really.  I am so glad I have a sense of humor.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9598185 - 01/12/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I know there wasn't anything vulgar, I was just retorting by representing the opposite end of the spectrum.

Ultimately there has to be a middle ground, a plane where both entities can co-exist. I agree that the abolition of general ratings would completely remove any dispute between members of both forums, but I can't see people letting go of the ratings system that easily.

I understand that people spend a lot of time cultivating their ratings and as a result people almost obtain a sense of pride about them. What right do you have to decide that their beliefs are stupid and to then 'destroy' them? Are you implying that you are somehow better than them? 

To be honest, a bad rating from you means very little to me, as this is the first time I've ever actually interacted with you.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Cepheus]
    #9598260 - 01/12/09 10:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think you're bestowing far too great a philosophical significance into this entire ordeal. 

Also, you are reaching and grasping for really irrational conclusions based on what I've said.  I don't think I've suggested that I am better than anyone.  Like I said, they have just as much a right to give me a bad rating as I do them. 

I didn't make any suggestion about totally removing the ratings completely, either.  I'm just saying - pandering to people who get upset about their bad ratings is just encouraging more complaining and another entirely new set of problems involving ratings.

Leave them as they are, and lay down the last word about them - no graphic grotesque/sick imagery, otherwise anything goes - it is, after all, purely one's OPINION about another user.  It should be left up to the people who read those ratings to determine whether or not to take them seriously or to pass them over as absurd internet ridiculousness.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: idiotek]
    #9598271 - 01/12/09 10:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I think you're bestowing far too great a philosophical significance into this entire ordeal. 




That sums me up in a sentence.

I can agree with what you say and you make some good points. I'll leave it at that :smile:.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: jazzillion]
    #9598295 - 01/12/09 10:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the new idea =] weighted average for me :yesnod:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: dstark]
    #9598300 - 01/12/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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