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The Benadryl trip
    #9594248 - 01/12/09 11:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So yesterday at about 4:15 i popped 300mg of Diphenhydramine (benadryl) to

begin a trip of a lifetime. At about 5:15 everything was really slow , but not

what i expect. So at this time i decided to take more - about 225mg more.

About 2-3 hours go by, and i start to really concentrate on certain objects,

and sounds. So i said ok i may be hallucinating and seeing color variations,

but was unsure so i decided to go outside around 7:00pm. I just sat on the

ledge and foucused very carefully on the lake, and i see that it has a

current !?! with waves flowing like a beach sorta. It was absolutely

incredible, then i decided to look at a trees limbs, strangely enough the

leaves were moving (no wind) and going at each other as if there was an animal

up their(but none) . So i stay out their for about 20min more and their are

some nice clouds out in the sky , and said maybe i can make something out of

these clouds. 5 seconds into my staring at the clouds, they formed into

to "animal creatures" side by side fighting each other, for about 4-5min i was

watching this . Also the clouds formed into 2 people with grins on their face

smoking cigars, as the smoke came out. And besides that the color variations

on the ceiling and floor (when concentrated) turned green neon, and neon

purple flashing consistently. I also smoked about a 1g of dank as well, and i

have never taken lsd/shrooms before , just thought i had to share it was

amazing !


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9594253 - 01/12/09 11:11 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

ummmmm


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: flip3084]
    #9594308 - 01/12/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: LSDXM]
    #9594332 - 01/12/09 11:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

diphenhydramine.
boo.

I dont like it.
but thats just me.
haha

Glad you had a good time though.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9594357 - 01/12/09 11:37 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Good to hear you enjoyed it!

I would be careful pressing into higher dosages with deliriants, though, as these have significantly more toxic effects to the mind and body than traditional psychedelics.

I love 'em myself, but I use them sparingly.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: deCypher]
    #9594397 - 01/12/09 11:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yea i know what you mean.

do you think it is more toxic to the mind and body than DXM ?


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9594399 - 01/12/09 11:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

^Yes. DXM isn't particularly toxic.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9594402 - 01/12/09 11:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Deliriants are on the whole more toxic than dissociatives, which are in turn more toxic than psychedelics.

Use sparingly and in low doses and you'll be good.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: deCypher]
    #9594427 - 01/12/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

great thanks guys.

oh and mods can you move this to Trip Reports


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9594767 - 01/12/09 01:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I never really enjoyed high dose benny trips.

I usually had like 600 mg (a box worth) and I would end up not able to move unless I really tried and I would always have severe cotton mouth.

It is fun at times, but there's a nasty side to that particular drug.

Me and benny are no longer "friends."

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Angel_Above]
    #9595108 - 01/12/09 01:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The body load is insane.
Along with Sever cottonmouth.
The confusion.

Just doesnt appeal to me.
and my doses were ~400mg.

The first time i did benedryl, i actually had a good time.
It was actually my first "trip".


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9595145 - 01/12/09 02:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nice to hear you had a good time.

I've considered taking benadryl before but haven't gotten around to it.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Angel_Above]
    #9595236 - 01/12/09 02:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I never really enjoyed high dose benny trips.

I usually had like 600 mg (a box worth) and I would end up not able to move unless I really tried and I would always have severe cotton mouth.

It is fun at times, but there's a nasty side to that particular drug.

Me and benny are no longer "friends."




i don't know if its from the benny last night, but i am having these crazy shakes, and weird heartbeat. its strange unless im just thinking about it too much =O

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The body load is insane.
Along with Sever cottonmouth.
The confusion.

Just doesnt appeal to me.
and my doses were ~400mg.

The first time i did benedryl, i actually had a good time.
It was actually my first "trip".




yea i woke up with cottonmouth that + weed cottonmouth it was bad.. lol


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9595760 - 01/12/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I've taken upwards of 1000mg, it can get pretty intense.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Prof. Astro]
    #9595786 - 01/12/09 03:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

full blown visuals/hallucinations ?

this was the first time ive actually had visuals and hallucinations because i havent tried any phycs yet.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9595857 - 01/12/09 04:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

oh man, havent tried any psychedelics yet?

you're in for a treat.

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Modizu]
    #9596293 - 01/12/09 05:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I tripped on benydryl once some time ago, dont remember the dose, and got full blown hallucinations. In low light large spider webs where forming in my room with large longleged spiders crawling up them. Dosen't hold a candle to real psychedelics though.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: BurstingBeing]
    #9596326 - 01/12/09 05:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I tripped on benydryl once some time ago, dont remember the dose, and got full blown hallucinations. In low light large spider webs where forming in my room with large longleged spiders crawling up them. Dosen't hold a candle to real psychedelics though.




wow yea i guess i will be in for a treat . cause that was the best trip ive had between dxm(no visuals/hallu) which is the only other otc i've used as well.

yea i cannot wait its going to be crazy probably going to get some within the next 2 weeks.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9596356 - 01/12/09 05:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

What's the obsession with visuals? Mental state is much more important than visuals IMO. Visuals are a fun side-effect.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9596378 - 01/12/09 05:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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What's the obsession with visuals? Mental state is much more important than visuals IMO. Visuals are a fun side-effect.




i just like to look at things out of proportion or things that arent their as well. if i had visuals and hallucinations during the whole trip i would be satisfied. mental state as in mental condition at the time present?


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9596412 - 01/12/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Mental state as in the head trip.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9596430 - 01/12/09 05:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

do you mean the way drugs fuck with your brain during the trip ? motor skills, etc..


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9596451 - 01/12/09 05:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

the most psychedelic experience i've ever had had nothing to do with visuals.  it was more real then anything you could ever see, hallucinating or not.

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #9596521 - 01/12/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yea i'm sure that'll happen to me sometime. Oh yea i forgot to add another vivid hallucination . when i was sitting on the curb i looked down at the sidewalk on campus and i saw a big "brute like human" walking around campus whom seemed to be selling tickets.. lol its was crazyy . it was so real.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9596536 - 01/12/09 05:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

that animal hallucination.  things like that are quite common hallucinations on deleriants.

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #9596584 - 01/12/09 05:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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that animal hallucination.  things like that are quite common hallucinations on deleriants.




nice, how are the visuals/hallucinatiosn different from this off a benadryl trip?


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9596614 - 01/12/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

well benadryl is a deleriant.  it's an anti-chollergenic.  similar to datura in effects.  it's a lot less dangerous, though, because you are taking a controlled amount.

deleriant visuals are more realistic then hallucinations from traditi emersed onal psychedelics.  in realistic i mean that they occur completely in every day reality.  it can get confusing.  and very scary.  proceed with caution!

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #9596651 - 01/12/09 05:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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well benadryl is a deleriant.  it's an anti-chollergenic.  similar to datura in effects.  it's a lot less dangerous, though, because you are taking a controlled amount.

deleriant visuals are more realistic then hallucinations from traditi emersed onal psychedelics.  in realistic i mean that they occur completely in every day reality.  it can get confusing.  and very scary.  proceed with caution!




ahh ok i gotcha for the first part, but are you saying that the visuals as well are not as real on LSD/shrooms . yea today i i defintely still have it in my system, i keep seeing shadows, and specs in my vision as well, its strange.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #9596672 - 01/12/09 05:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Crazy mind trip + Feeling like my body was trying to vomit me out = Diphenhydramine

Total Blackout + 3 unconscious days in hospital + waking up to an Irish Nurse (confusing)= Dimenhydrenate (Dramamine I belive)

Be careful, I wasn't and this is the ONLY drug ever to land me in the E.R. in 10 years. :gethigh:


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Rewrite]
    #9596721 - 01/12/09 06:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Crazy mind trip + Feeling like my body was trying to vomit me out = Diphenhydramine

Total Blackout + 3 unconscious days in hospital + waking up to an Irish Nurse (confusing)= Dimenhydrenate (Dramamine I belive)

Be careful, I wasn't and this is the ONLY drug ever to land me in the E.R. in 10 years. :gethigh:




damn man what were your doses? thats crazy that you landed in the ER! damnn


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9597119 - 01/12/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I was taking Dramamine which is more potent than Benadryl I believe. I think I ate 75 of those fuckers drunk on a bet from my best friend. Dude felt like shit afterword, told me he was gonna go into a church with a shotgun if I didn't wake up. 3 days later I wake up to "Well, top of the mornin' to ya Mr. XXXXXXXX, and how are you today?" Seriously, Irish Immigrant Nurse. I'm Irish by birth, so not the worst thing (Pass me a Guinness, I've died and now I'm in Irish Heaven!) but confusing as FUCK none-the-less. I know it was DUMB but just remember the last time you were trashed on vodka and someone gave you a dare, it can happen to anyone, I'm just a lucky cockroach who survived the fallout. I've found there are much better things to trip on that won't make my friends and family go on killing sprees. Shroom it up, and Shroom it out :gethigh:


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Rewrite]
    #9597137 - 01/12/09 07:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I was taking Dramamine which is more potent than Benadryl I believe.




Benadryl contains diphenhydramine, which is about twice as potent per weight as dramamine (dimenhydrinate) is and more sedating.

Also, 75 pills is a huge dose.  At 25 mgs per pill, that comes out to 1875 mgs!  No wonder you blacked out.

If you're determined to experiment with deliriants, do not do huge doses.  Start small and work your way up to minimize toxicity.  If you're losing consciousness and/or waking up in the ER, you're doing it wrong.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: deCypher]
    #9597158 - 01/12/09 07:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Just wanna add this
Last night I took 50mg of diphenhydramine to help me sleep

I had a short OBE 30 minutes later

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #9597171 - 01/12/09 07:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting; never heard of that side effect.

Typically when I take low doses of the little buggers my hypnagogia gets much more pronounced: I start hearing voices and seeing mild visuals, but I've never even thought of trying to induce an OBE with 'em.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: deCypher]
    #9597233 - 01/12/09 07:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

93
The figure I've heard is that dimen is 60% as potent as diph per weight.

What's with people claiming that visuals are a mere side effect and the "mind trip" is more important?  Nobody is to be the judge of importance but oneself.  It's also not a static determination.  I'd surely miss visuals if I encountered profound mind trips all the time and vice versa.  It's all part of the journey.

On the same token, diph is no worse a drug than lsd or any other.  This is again a personal decision.  "Which tool is optimal to utilize at this point in my life?" one has to ask hirself.

I find the shitty things with diph are the memory loss and the body sensations.  Those body buzzes on it are terribly annoying and I find myself more nervous and shaky than usual for days afterward.  Fortunately, the 3 second memory only lasts for the experience with me. I hear others are'nt as lucky and have serious memory problems for a long time afterwards, however.  But I find it an interesting journey to partake in on rare occasions. 
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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #9597238 - 01/12/09 07:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I doubt it.

I have never had Dissociative or 'Psycadelic' effects from Diphen. 

Makes me dumb and cluster fucks my thoughts and occasionally I have hallucinations.

I have done between 25mg's to over 1g which I deplore anyone from doing.

I do find the diphen 'Trip'  has alot to do with letting go..  Getting adrift in your mind and forgetting where you are.  Perhaps in a closed eye situation Diphen even in low doses can seem like an OBE.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: lavod]
    #9597299 - 01/12/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The figure I've heard is that dimen is 60% as potent as diph per weight.

What's with people claiming that visuals are a mere side effect and the "mind trip" is more important?  Nobody is to be the judge of importance but oneself.  It's also not a static determination.  I'd surely miss visuals if I encountered profound mind trips all the time and vice versa.  It's all part of the journey.

On the same token, diph is no worse a drug than lsd or any other.  This is again a personal decision.  "Which tool is optimal to utilize at this point in my life?" one has to ask hirself.

I find the shitty things with diph are the memory loss and the body sensations.  Those body buzzes on it are terribly annoying and I find myself more nervous and shaky than usual for days afterward.  Fortunately, the 3 second memory only lasts for the experience with me. I hear others are'nt as lucky and have serious memory problems for a long time afterwards, however.  But I find it an interesting journey to partake in on rare occasions. 
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wow they have serious memory problems from even one trip ?

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I doubt it.

I have never had Dissociative or 'Psycadelic' effects from Diphen. 

Makes me dumb and cluster fucks my thoughts and occasionally I have hallucinations.

I have done between 25mg's to over 1g which I deplore anyone from doing.

I do find the diphen 'Trip'  has alot to do with letting go..  Getting adrift in your mind and forgetting where you are.  Perhaps in a closed eye situation Diphen even in low doses can seem like an OBE.




thats weird man, all i did was go adrift in my mind and use it!


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9597517 - 01/12/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I do suspect that is when Diphen works best.. 

If you can basically 'Forget' what you are doing and who you are with.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9597648 - 01/12/09 08:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The one and only time I did benadryl was my 2nd drug ever (after weed) and I thought my carpet was on fire and it annoyed me so I went to sleep,

never again.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: pfxtc]
    #9598201 - 01/12/09 09:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Rewrite]
    #9598298 - 01/12/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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never again.




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indeed, leave that shit alone. i think what was meant by the difference in visuals vs. mental state was just that drugs like diphenhydramine or dramamine are the exact opposite of profound. you might see things that aren't there, or have funny warped visions of colors and shapes, but your consciousness is not elevated at all. in reality, it's probably inhibited, since those are quite toxic chemicals, and if you do too much there's a serious possibility of dying. real psychedelics like lsd or psilocybin, which may be harmful in unrealistically high doses, will not hurt you physiologically. the intention in taking them is to alter your consciousness and change the way you perceive the world. changes in vision, like tracers, warped shapes, vibrant colors, and "breathing" solid objects are just cool supplements to the much deeper and profound trip.

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Hendostan]
    #9598351 - 01/12/09 10:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

good way to put it thanks !


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Hendostan]
    #9598834 - 01/12/09 11:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Hendostan said: i think what was meant by the difference in visuals vs. mental state was just that drugs like diphenhydramine or dramamine are the exact opposite of profound.




I agree with you that traditional serotonergic psychedelics do provide a sense of profound enlightenment, whereas deliriants have more pronounced visuals and no sense of meditative bliss.  Instead, what you get is a way to interact with your dream state while still awake--a chance to see the metaphors of your subconscious mind played out for full interpretation.  It can easily turn into a nightmare if you're not fully and utterly prepared to see reality ripped to shreds: you'll be talking to your friends, shooting the shit and passing the bong back and forth, and then you'll wake up to realize that your friends were never there to begin with.  The hallucinations from your dreaming mind will appear indistinguishable from normal reality; just imagine the perfect detail of a lucid dream, except blended into waking life.  This can lead to extreme exhilarance when you realize you can visualize anything you desire into life, and it can also lead to extreme dysphoria and fear when you realize that whatever you think of can become real (hordes of spiders crawling up your body, the ghosts of your dead ancestors trying to kill you, etc).  If you can remember how awful a nightmare is when you think it is real, just imagine how powerful seeing the terrors of your inmost demons unleashed to waking life would be.  Yet still, most of these bad trips are caused by either taking way too much, or by not being able to conquer the fear that these substances present.

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Hendostan said: in reality, it's probably inhibited, since those are quite toxic chemicals, and if you do too much there's a serious possibility of dying.




Deliriants have a lower LD-50 than most psychedelics; what's your point?  They are a tool like any other... and I personally would not trade away my Datura experiences for anything.  They're able to truly rip the hinges off of reality as you once knew it--incredibly valuable for ontology alone, and more than capable if you wish to pursue them as entheogens in the ritualistic setting.  Like anything dangerous to handle (like a chainsaw or a gun), start small and work your way up if you're determined to work with them.  Keep time in between dosages.

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Hendostan said: real psychedelics like lsd or psilocybin, which may be harmful in unrealistically high doses, will not hurt you physiologically.




Yet traditional psychedelics can and have hurt people psychologically, either through HPPD, anxiety disorders, depression, and even mental disorders if it was latent.  To argue that deliriants should be avoid at all cost while real psychedelics are harmless is naive; each have to be respected as powerful psychoactives that should be treated relative to their individual safety factors.  I would actually prefer low doses of Datura Stramonium over DPH, mainly because the former has thousands of years of ritualistic use as an entheogen vs. the comparatively untested pharmaceutical that has primarily antihistaminic effects instead of the desired anticholinergia.  I've had great results with improved lucid dreaming with Stramonium as well.


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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: i95fl]
    #9598869 - 01/13/09 12:05 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey lets abuse dumbass drugs so we can see cool shit! Fuck yeah man!

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: deCypher]
    #9598994 - 01/13/09 12:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i think it is unwise to try and get off on antihistamines. when taking the active dose into account, it would be far easier to overdose on allergy pills. i never said any substance doesn't have the potential to be harmful. i was simply trying to explain the difference to someone who has never experienced anything but diphenhydramine. i have never experienced datura but am familiar with its entheogenic history. you could try to explain things without calling me naive.

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Re: The Benadryl trip [Re: Hendostan]
    #9599008 - 01/13/09 12:35 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Apologies; it just bothers me when people wholly condemn deliriants for a seeming lack of profundity.

I do agree that anything that is primarily an antihistamine would be best avoided in favor of anticholinergics that have that only as a peripheral side effect.


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