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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #9589512 - 01/11/09 01:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't "prove" to you who is responsible for raising a child. I just find it callous and unethical that a father would disown his child simply because of a mix up that has nothing to do with the personal relationship they have together, let alone demand to be payed back for the cost of raising the child. You obviously feel the opposite.




I was watching a tv show and a father was protecting his 20 year old son from the police. The police proved to him that it wasn't his biological son and the man turned him in immediately. I thought that was a pretty cold thing to do.

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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: Indigenous]
    #9589538 - 01/11/09 01:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like a horrible script to me, or a horrible person. I understand quite well why someone who was tricked into thinking a new baby was theirs would react by separating themselves from the bitch and the kid, but someone who raised a kid for twenty years, with the exception of the most moronic human beings, would surely shrug off any biological differences.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9589605 - 01/11/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Just an aside: when a new male lion takes over a pride, the first thing he does is to kill all the cubs as they were fathered by the previous leader.




In addition, the Bruce effect is pretty cool: when a recently impregnated female mouse encounters a normal male mouse other than the one with which she mated, the pregnancy is very likely to fail.  This is caused by a substance secreted in the male's urine.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: deCypher]
    #9589643 - 01/11/09 02:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

(Not to DC)

Some of you seem to complicate things. Our #2 biological imperative is to pass on our genetic material. This supersedes ALL other endeavors after basic survival. Raising a child is almost certainly the most time-consuming activity in a human's life for those who have children.

Now put these together and what do you get?


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9589650 - 01/11/09 02:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

People claiming idealism and love for a newborn soul should supercede our biological imperative?  :lol:


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: deCypher]
    #9589761 - 01/11/09 02:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

We are basically just a genetic vehicle with the ability to solve problems on the fly. Unfortunately we don't have total control and are guided by a few basic instincts, at least I am. But if you follow the evolutionary trend of mammals it is towards higher brain function and less instincts.

I would rather be part of a species that reproduces for rational reasons than 2-4 seconds of bliss and/or a satisfied feeling that you've left your mark on the gene pool. Oh well I guess I'm stuck being a human for now...

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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #9589783 - 01/11/09 02:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I would rather be part of a species that reproduces for rational reasons than 2-4 seconds of bliss and/or a satisfied feeling that you've left your mark on the gene pool.




What rational reasons?


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: deCypher]
    #9589799 - 01/11/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

More workers.

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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #9589823 - 01/11/09 02:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

More efficient to enslave other people than to wait eighteen years, no?


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: deCypher]
    #9589853 - 01/11/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe there is no rational reason to reproduce. Maybe that's why we have to be tricked into doing so.

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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #9589862 - 01/11/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think we reproduce because it's the nature of life to do so.

When it comes down to it, almost nothing we do derives from purely rational reasons.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #9589963 - 01/11/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

As the title suggests, this is a completely ethical issue and is determined by whatever bond may have formed between the "father" and the child.
Nothing more. I would like to think for the child's sake that the "father" would continue his duties out of love, but ultimately it is up to the "father."
My Brother is engaged to a woman, with a child from a previous relationship, and he has taken this child on as his own...I think it is admirable and it does occur.
However on the flip side, many biological fathers ditch their kids (as well as mothers) so :shrug:


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9590100 - 01/11/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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My Brother is engaged to a woman, with a child from a previous relationship, and he has taken this child on as his own...I think it is admirable and it does occur.





Two issues here.

1. Your brother is doing this voluntarily and with full awareness. No comparison to being blindsided and deceived.

2. What is admirable about somebody doing something that they freely want to do for their own benefit? Your brother certainly has selfish reasons for making such a choice.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9590132 - 01/11/09 03:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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My Brother is engaged to a woman, with a child from a previous relationship, and he has taken this child on as his own...I think it is admirable and it does occur.





Two issues here.

1. Your brother is doing this voluntarily and with full awareness. No comparison to being blindsided and deceived.

2. What is admirable about somebody doing something that they freely want to do for their own benefit? Your brother certainly has selfish reasons for making such a choice.




1. It was not meant to be comparative to being deceived, it was an example that it is possible to feel for a child that is blatantly not your own.

2. I don't see any human actions as having no self serving motivations.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9590148 - 01/11/09 03:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't see any human actions as having no self serving motivations.




None whatsoever?

I'm sure there are plenty of people who anonymously donate their money to charities purely out of the desire to help the poor and the suffering.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9590164 - 01/11/09 03:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

What is the admirable part?


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: deCypher]
    #9590168 - 01/11/09 03:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There has been a whole other thread about this...However if one's motives are to donate money to feel better about oneself, or a sense of justice then IMO this is still self serving. :shrug:

Perhaps I am wrong, I am yet to see an example though.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9590176 - 01/11/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The decision to forgo other parts of his life, for the responsibility.

True it was his decision, but there are many easier options available.


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9590179 - 01/11/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I agree that a lot of people help others purely to feel better about themselves or to live up to an arbitrary sense of justice.

I just don't think you can claim that all people automatically fall into this category.  I have done things in my life purely because I wished the best for the other person (and although you could argue that I merely repressed the self-serving motivation, I still don't think this is necessarily true).


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Re: Fatherly ethics [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9590182 - 01/11/09 03:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

As I want people to feel good about themselves, I volunteer to accept anonymous donations.


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