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InvisibleDelicious Apes

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Thru-hiking.
    #9588471 - 01/11/09 09:50 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

I'm curious how many shroomerites are experienced or interested in thru-hiking or long distance MTB travel. I've been setting up to do a trip for years, and have most of my gear.

The Continental Divide, Pacific Crest and the Appalachian trails all look quite incredible. What I am wondering is, do I have to leave Canada for similar, long distance hikes ? I am most interested in the rocky mountain ranges through Alberta and British Colombia, and I considered canoe travel through the Yukon and NWT for a time, but there are too many considerations in route.

i'm interested in discussing logistics of the whole thing with anyone who is like minded.

The biggest question mark aside from departure and destination is what foods+supplements to take and in what amount/proportion. I've read about things like spirulina tabs, bee pollen, dehydrated food, etc. Depending on foraging/hunting/fishing opportunities on route, my instinct tells me that sources of fat, fibers and protein would be the priority in packed rations.  Vitamin C is abundant year round, and various carbohydrates are easily found. chances of regularly getting meat are much lower. I'm currently a vegetarian but that might have to change out there to keep myself alive. I would feel less guilt eating an animal I killed with my own hands than one I bought from the grocery store anyway.

Oh, and obviously I'm looking for the best mass/weight to nutritional value ratio, even if it tastes like shit.



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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Delicious Apes]
    #9590529 - 01/11/09 05:01 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

eating meat after being a vegetarian wont be a lot of fun, make sure you ease your way into it


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Delicious Apes]
    #9590669 - 01/11/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Yeah getting your complete proteins on the trail can be tricky without meat, but if you are a smart vegetarian and you do a little planning it is entirely possible. The most important thing being making sure you mix your grains and legumes and such. Beans and rice, that sort of thing. Dehydrated food is key.
Nuts are usually my biggest source of fats and some protein, for most of my complete proteins I usually vary between pastas and rice and beans type deals, tuna, and beef jerky. The tuna in those foil packs is light and packs small, and keeps for a long time unrefrigerated, same with jerky.

As a general rule, you want to go with as much (healthy) calories as possible, which includes a lot of fat and protein. I'd always carry a bunch of dehydrated veggies with me, for making soups and such.. I dehydrate my own. As well as dehydrated fruits. Spirulina is a REALLY smart idea, you will need those nutrients on the trail. GORP is an essential, however you want to make it.. the key ingredients being nuts, raisins, and chocolate. Peanut butter and flatbread is good. There are tons of ways you can pack and it's mostly personal preference but those are some of the things I like to carry.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Shroomism]
    #9592401 - 01/11/09 11:05 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Great, exactly the type of info I needed.

I've been looking at dehydrators. The pre-made meals are pretty expensive and not likely the freshest.Is there a DIY method? If not, what would you recommend on a relatively inexpensive dehydrator? Also what is your preferred packaging? I assume you'd vacuum seal dehydrated food but I don't know much about it really.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Delicious Apes]
    #9592442 - 01/11/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Yeah, a cheap dehydrator gets the job done. What I do is throw a bunch of fruits and veggies in there. Carrots, onions, greens (important!), whatever looks good. I just store them in ziplock bags. Sometimes I'll just section them off into individual ziplocks, or just throw all the veggies in one big one.. usually with some spices in the bag. That way, whenever I want to make a soup or something.. cook my rice or pasta or whatever, then toss some veggies in. Easy meals on the trail. Really no need to vacuum seal it, a ziplock works fine.. and they are reusable.

The Premade freeze-dried meals are a huge waste of money..and create a lot of trash. It's something like $5-7 a meal. You can spend $10-15 on veggies and such and have enough for like 20 meals.

The biggest vitamin you have to worry about (IME) is vitamin C.. as it is not stable to heat, light or air.. dehydrated veggies can lose ~90% of their vitamin C content.. so if you know how to get it from natural sources, great.. or just carry some C tablets or get fresh citrus whenever you can.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Shroomism]
    #9600823 - 01/13/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

a lot of vitamin C out there is not readily absorbed, get vitamin C tablets made from rose hip extraction.
trader joes makes some rose hip C, and theres rose hip supplements at most health food stores.
the vitamin c in rose hips is somehow much more readily absorbed, and vitamin C intake is very important on the long journey.

dont forget your omega 3's!
fish oil is nice, toasted hemp seeds mixed into your trailmix is another option.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9602630 - 01/13/09 05:09 PM (15 years, 18 days ago)

Yeah I knew I always carried tuna for a reason!
Hempseed is another very good option though.. probably one of the single most nutritious plants we know of on Earth... so definitely not a bad idea bringing that.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Shroomism]
    #9609429 - 01/14/09 04:46 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

I typically start and end the day with a bush brew, pine needle or labrador tea. Very nourishing, packed with vitamin C and D as well as antioxidants. Even better if it's sweetened with birch sap and a mix of rasperry/blueberry leaves.

Good call on the hempseed, maybe I could throw that in with the GORP. Fish oil is another good suggestion.

Not having much luck finding suitable routes in Canada.. there's the Trans Canada trail and the "National Hiking Trail" but they don't really seem to have what I'm looking for. Starting to lean more towards a few months in the Temagami or Wabakimi wilderness by canoe. I'd be able to acess more remote areas and pack 150 lbs of food along with supplies.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Delicious Apes]
    #9622524 - 01/16/09 05:52 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

I'm planning a thru-hike of the Colorado Trail this summer, 460+ miles from Denver to Durango.  I figure if you've never thru-hiked before, better to start with something mid-range until you have a pretty solid knowledge of your endurance.

I've been doing similar research on diet, gear, etc and have found several helpful sources of info.  Backpacking Light magazine has a website with lots of interesting articles, stats, and podcasts about everything light-weight and trek related. 

Tom Brown Jr. has written numerous books on wilderness survival techniques, forraging, etc, that would be very applicable to thru-hikers that might want to supplement their diet with what they find on the trail.  I would not rely on these sources, but as you mentioned they supply vitamins and minerals that wouldn't hurt to add to your diet. 

Finally, most natural food stores and many regular chain stores have bulk food sections with dehydrated/freeze-dried soup mixes that are loaded with fat, carbs, sodium, and are dirt cheap.  As far as weight/calorie ratio is concerned, freeze-dried is the way to go.

The way I understand it, you shouldn't have to worry to much about "balancing" your diet on the trail.  Just make sure you bring enough because you're going to be ripping through calories like nobody's business.

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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: BoulderBoomer]
    #9622670 - 01/16/09 06:30 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Thanks a lot. Although I've never done any major long distance thru-hiking, I have a lot of experience in terms of wilderness survival, long canoe trips, solo camping etc.

Will you be mailing packages to re-supply points along the way?


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Delicious Apes]
    #9624071 - 01/16/09 11:35 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

Along the CT there are resupply points every 40-50 miles for most of the route, usually involving a 3-10 mile hike off the trail to a town.  I figure I could thumb my way into town at these intervals and restock at the general stores instead of mailing food.  We'll see though, this will be my first thru-hike and I'm sure I have lots of mistakes in the making.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: BoulderBoomer]
    #9625227 - 01/17/09 07:23 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

yeah, it would probably be easier to get most general food/fuel etc. in stores along the way and possibly mail out a small amount of packages with more personalized supplies that may be harder to find.

You mentioned that quantity is a higher order than variety. Assume you were only allowed 3-4 types of food. What would your choices be?


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Delicious Apes]
    #9647184 - 01/20/09 05:21 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Breakfast would probably be muesli (a mix of nuts, dried fruit, and oats usually, like cereal), which can be made hot or cold, with powdered milk. 

Then I would probably snack constantly through the day on some sort of gorp style food, maybe home-made energy bars, dried meat, tuna, etc.  The problem with having a real lunch while thru-hiking, from what I've read, is that it causes a mid-day drowsiness while your body tries to digest the big meal. 

Then for dinner I would do something like noodles and powdered sauce with lots of butter (clarified butter, or ghee, does not need to be refridgerated and would be ideal for backpacking), or some kind of freeze dried soup mix with a grain of some sort (quinoa or brown rice would be ideal).  It's best to get grains that cook fast, or are already par-cooked, so you don't have to waste fuel simmering it for 20 minutes.  And of course the butter is for the additional calories and to prevent weight loss. 

A big dollop of butter combined with a hot chocolate packet used with the pasta water is super good and has a lot more calories than just hot chocolate by itself.

Variety might be a good idea if you're not going to resupply for a while and you think you might get sick of the same food over and over again.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: BoulderBoomer]
    #9647393 - 01/20/09 05:53 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

One word about grains that take a while to cook - instead of simmering them.. just let them soak in water for 30-45 minutes before you cook them.
Yeah, you have to wait a little longer, but you save a LOT of fuel.. and if you do it in advance it's not an issue.
Tougher grains soaked like this will cook up in 5 minutes or less just like any other grain. Steel cut oatmeal, brown rice, etc.

And yeah right on the money about the quantity > variety thing. Although IMO, variety is important, but your choices for variety are somewhat limited.
But you want to consider all the calories you can get.
My food choices would probably be very similar to what you just posted.

But I don't worry about getting 'fast cooking' grains. Usually, that means getting inferior quality foodstuffs that has been stripped of a lot of its nature. (White rice, 'white flour' products, "instant noodles/oatmeal" etc).. I tend to stay away from that stuff, or try to. Get whole grains whenever possible, you'll need the extra vitamins/nutrients/fiber etc.

I've never tried bringing ghee, but that sounds like a really good idea. You want those calories and you want lots of fat.
I usually brought a thing of olive oil with me, and would sip on that or add it liberally to meals. Lots of calories and good fats.
And of course GORP is an essential. Anything with a lot of nuts, and dried fruit.. would be your main snack food.

Veggies are unquestionably one of the hardest things to get on the trail.. most people don't get nearly enough. Which is why I recommend some kind of super veggie like seaweed.
And if you can supplement your diet with foliage and edible plants then all the better.


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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Shroomism]
    #9706417 - 01/30/09 03:48 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

If you're in BC, right across the border from Grand Forks is the trail head for the Kettle Crest #13 in Washington State, which makes a great two to three day hike to test your endurance and equipment. In fact, if I left mrs rabbit at home, I think my dog and I could do the 30 miles in one day, by carrying a lot less load. The trail head is also less than 20 miles from my place.  I'd be up for a key swap type of hike, where you park at one trailhead and I'll park 30 miles down the trail, and we'll swap car keys when we cross in the middle.  I know of several other hikes in the area like that.

The PCT is great too, but next time I get on that one, I want at least a month, and that's kind of hard to pull off.
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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9715692 - 02/01/09 02:21 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

RR, I might take you up on this key swap.  What are the trail conditions like this winter?  I've been trying to come up with a good excuse to get into the backcountry for a day or two...let me know.

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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: BoulderBoomer]
    #9718897 - 02/01/09 06:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Recently got my Hilleberg Akto in the mail.. quite light. Just over 3lb including footprint.



Looks like a great design for windy conditions. Liking the vestibule.


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    #9726982 - 02/03/09 04:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Dude, where in Canada are you?  I am in Vancouver and am always looking for people to hike with. 

Regarding food, when I am out burning a lot of calories (such as tree planting)  I kind of follow a loosely adopted version of the warrior diet (theres a thread about this in the physical/mental health forum).  It fits my needs perfectly, and has been proven effective in the calorie slaughter fest known as treeplanting (though everything was fresh instead of dried) and fine tuned over the last 6 months (I have a very physical job)

Here is a sample day on the trail:

Wake up with a nice cup of tea. My favourites are green and pineneedle tea. If I can collect enough sap (from trees like maple or birch) I will use that to steep my tea in.  The night before I will set up a few sap collection vessels so I have some for morning.  If I can get enough, I will boil it down to a syrup. 

For then until just after mid day I eat nothing but dried fruits.  Not a lot, but enough to not feel hungry. At lunchtime, I have a high BV protein shake (whey isolate, very compact protein source, Usually 50g protein or so) with a swig of olive oil, and have a little break.  When I start going again its more fruit. After a few hours I'll switch to nothing but nuts and seeds (I favour hempseeds, almonds, cashews, sesame and pumpkin seeds, all raw and organic).  When my days stash of seeds is gone, I will wait an hour while I set up camp then have some more protein (protein shake with mouthful of olive oil, or homemade pemmican) and eat the rest of my days rations in a ginormous feast while I chill by the fire and smoke a bowl. 

One thing that I like to do to conserve space is to blenderize all my fruits and make dehydrated leathers which I can chop up and reconstitute for sauces and such.  A warm cup of reconstituted fruit compote on a chili morning is absolutely wonderful, especially if you use a wide variety of fruits in your mix, and use tree sap to rehydrate it (mmmmmmm)

With veggies, you can do the same, but you can add ghee, pemmican, and whatever herbs you can find while cooking to make a delicious stew.  I cook mostly over the fire, so I can afford to let it simmer for a little while (hour or so). 

When I blenderize my veggies (final texture is up to you, but enough that it will bind together), I like as much variety as I can get. Its actually more of a soup paste than a veggie mix.  I'll put kale, broccoli, potatoes, carrots, celery, garlic, onions, barley (or some other hard grain, like whole gran rice, quinoa, etc...), peas, beans (7 bean mix uaually), tomatoes, peppers (sweet and hot) bunch of herbs and spices (fresh or dried, whatever is available, oregano, basil, thyme, rosemary, turmeric, coriander, Cumin etc etc...), corn, flour, bullion cubes and whatever else, the ratios of which all depend on what kind of a mood I am in, and what flavour I am shooting for, but it really doesnt matter.  Though using all these ingredients, you can range the flavour from a hearty stew, to a fullblown chili style soup just by playing with the ratios.

Once every thing is cooked and blended, I will dehydrate what I need for the trail and freeze the rest.  This way I can make a HUGE batch to be used on future outings  The barley, peas, and beans need to be cooked before blenderizing, which is a good time to homogenize all those extra flavours. I cook them separately so I can get away with using less water (I cook and strain the beans and peas, and use just enough water to properly cook the barley.  To this water you can add all kind of flavours (good time to put your dried spices and bullion cubes in the mix) that will be extracted in the water. When you add the blenderized mix, there is just enough water to make it mixable.  It forms a nice paste that can be spread and dehydrated very effectively. 

When about halfway done dehydrating, I will take them out and put a weighted cutting board on top of my leathers compress them as much as possible. I leave it like this for an hour, then put them back in the dehydrator to finish off.  When done, I repeat the compression process leaving it over night with a good amount of weight on top.   

  The beauty of this is that through experience you can fine tune the ratios to best suit your needs/tastebuds (and minimize gas :blush:).  It really tastes quite amazing, and has very high nutritional value in a very confined space. 

I suppose you could also add any wild game and boil it (my preferred method of cooking meat at home) until tender, than add the reconstituted veggie mix and simmer.  That would be pretty good (never done that mind you, but I'd like to try it).  The smooth texture can get to people, so you can keep a few items separate and just chop them instead of blenderizing them before dehydrating to give your camp stew some texture.  (really any of the ingredients you would like to chew on like beans, potatoes, carrots, etc...) 


Also, another great way to get your starches is to bring some bannock.  It is very simple, and can be used in a huge number of ways.  You can add water and cook it in a pan and make a fire loaf (back of pan on hot rock, open face towards the fire) or add it as-is to thicken up your camp stew.  You can even add a little water to make it doughy and drop it in the soup to make dumplings.  Its truly great and very compact. 

To make bannock my way:
4 cups of flour (I like to mix up a variety of whole grain flours)
4 tsp baking powder
1 tsp salt
1/3 cup ghee (or other hard forming fat like butter or margarine)
2/3 cup dehydrated almond milk (I am mildly lactose intolerant, you can use milk powder)
1/3 cup egg powder

This is the basic recipe made at home and bagged.  These are approximate, and amounts are determined to how long I am going to be gone.  I will often add raisins, brown sugar, and a little rum (I always carry 375ml bottle) for a sweeter version.  Fresh cooked bannock dumplings and camp stew is a nice hearty meal. 


Another thing I like to do is to add some supplementation to my water pack.  I always haul tons of water as I try to drink a gallon a day, and I really dont mind the extra weight.  I divide my supplements into daily doses, and just add them to my jugs each morning before filling. When I cook, I just use fresh water from nearby streams as it gets boiled pretty thoroughly, and the natural minerals are good for you. 

In a days worth of water,

250g maltodextrin powder  (1000 extra calories)
10g glutamine powder
10g BCAA powder

I premix this and put that amount into a little bag for one day.  I bring a little baggie like this for every day I'm to be gone plus a day.  You cant even taste the supplements. It tastes like any old water. 

For all the fruits and veggie leathers I divide into in full day servings.  I have a fruit meal for breakfast, and nibble the rest off the leather throughout the day. 

All my food can be eaten without cooking.  All my food can be cooked.  It works great :smile:


So there we are.  I hope this is useful to someone :laugh:

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Re: Thru-hiking. [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9732833 - 02/04/09 02:00 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, thanks for that Quoiyaien.  Sounds like you've gotten your method refined to a science.  I've been on the fence about getting a dehydrator for such homemade backcountry meals, but I'm pretty much sold now.

Your tree planting, is this with a restoration ecology outfit up there in Vancouver?  I'm curious because I was working for one down here in Seattle, planting native trees and shrubs, among other things.

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    #9733169 - 02/04/09 06:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Wow, thanks for that Quoiyaien.  Sounds like you've gotten your method refined to a science.  I've been on the fence about getting a dehydrator for such homemade backcountry meals, but I'm pretty much sold now.

Your tree planting, is this with a restoration ecology outfit up there in Vancouver?  I'm curious because I was working for one down here in Seattle, planting native trees and shrubs, among other things.

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It was with a reforestation outfit in Williams Lake.  It is intense.  There is nothing in the world more physically demanding than treeplanting.  It demands so much physically and mentally. 

Beautiful scenery though, and living in a tent for 4 months in the middle of nowhere rocks. 

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    #11883774 - 01/23/10 04:05 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

Hey Quoiyaien, great post and sorry I didn't thank you earlier. Maybe we can meet up when I'm in BC. :awesome:

Resurrecting this thread, this is the year. I copied this from my personal journal so I won't be hurt if there's no responses in this desolate forum, but here are my thoughts lately. Hopefully someone identifies/reads/enjoys.


I decided this fall I was finally, definitely going to start traveling at the nearest opportunity in Spring, hopefully before the end of March or early April. As of now the stops destination are an essentially blank canvas, but that doesn't matter taking into account my method of travel and the places I want to be. The main principles I want to follow in this are to be minimalist, efficient and independent as possible.

There comes a time where things become too stagnant, too comfortable, and time slips by faster and faster from the setting sun of a squandered day. In the beauty and expanse of nature, there are too many a missed rise of a golden sun on a fog-filled glacial lake in the Boreal forest, too many displays of Aurora Borealis on the trails in high elevation, and too many cold frozen mornings emerging from a wet tent traded for the warm apathetic sleep in a heated home.

There's something special in those woods, the woods in the country far removed from the city so filled with the distractions of the living, rather than the alive. In this silence, your tinnitus signals of a peace not yet destroyed by the hands of civilization. This silence and this peace is there, for you. Lone nights in the forest, the sounds of a light breeze causing the branches of an old willow to rustle warmly above your head while you lay in dreamless sleep brought on by exhaustion and contentedness.

These forests ask nothing of you. The water asks nothing of you. The forgotten majesty of an isolated ridge, the stillness, the desolation and beauty seen at a nearly un-accessible point on the map is nothing but a massive chasm of unequaled grandeur for those who care enough to lose themselves in it. Out here everyday is learning, and every decision means something. At day's end you fall asleep to the soft sounds of the night.

It is here, you can rejuvenate a failing spirit or the failing body. Surrender to the vast expanses, stop thinking and begin anew. Watching animals, traveling through mountain passes carved by glaciers millennia ago, and noticing the subtle and apparent give and take of the ecosystems. Learning to identify bushes, edible plants and mushrooms, and striving to become self-sufficient in an unforgiving landscape is the name of the game, and the knowledge you gain here is NOT illusory. One of the most liberating experiences is for man to return to his natural element and prove himself.

I fell deeply in love with nature, and seemed to be seeing it as well as myself in a new light in those first tentative solo trips, young and inexperienced.

The first thing I had a problem with was the absolute silence.


A  view of a calm wilderness trout lake, 20/5/2007 7:35 PM

The silence is at first unnerving, there is a sense that you shouldn't be here. But, as you are there longer, doing your daily routine through quiet, your meals in quiet, and at last laying your head in quiet, it becomes familiar, becomes therapeutic, resolving. If you haven't spent much time alone in the woods, this experience may be completely foreign to you. This is not the silence of putting on a pair of earplugs, this silence isn't necessarily a void at all. It's an all consuming awareness, that you know intrinsically is real and mysterious. You drift along the banks of a glass calm lake, and hear the song of a native bird augment the steady rhythm of the paddle cutting the surface. It's here where life is.

And it's there where a god can be found. Not a god from history books, not your personal god, no man's god. You may find yourself leaning against a large beech looking into the waves crashing in front of you, and feel the transient nature of that fleeting moment, and finally come to terms with the fleeting nature of your own consciousness. We find ourselves in a magnificent world where terrible things happen, wars are fought, and greed poisons everything. To realize you are but one life and one life missed, nobody could care one way or the other. The astonishing thing is you are there to make that choice. It's chance that many are so confused upon learning that they have, that they end up putting to waste themselves and the lives of others. You are here to watch it happen. For better, or worse.

Being in the wilderness is a quick remedy for the jaded, who make up a large percentile of population in developed countries. Perhaps I dwell on this fact too often, but the fact remains I am amazed I am even here. Cliched? Surely, though not intended here. The intricacies of the natural world and the incredible complexity of the human organism are and should be a constant motivator for those unhappy with life. But, it takes a certain amount of interest in the first place to escape the trappings of despair and start giving a shit about things you can never change. This is where eternity is. This is where you will return.


Rising sun on a lake in Northern Ontario, 21/7/2007 5:58 AM

What's there to gain? For you, maybe nothing. For someone else, everything. The thing about the real world is there are no rules, there is nobody telling you, as an individual what you can and cannot do, and there is nothing to filter what you get from an experience other than your own self, your own truths, senses and relation to a more deliberate life. Seeing the benefits of living and travelling off-grid is not hard to think about, but it is difficult to achieve these treasures. Life goes by slowly. In all of the environments you pass, no matter how diverse, it is only your commentary and thoughts to keep you company.

It isn't easy. For every ounce of physical strain & growth, there are 10 ounces of mental growth and the will to persevere in adversity. When you are alone, there are far too many situations you encounter that can't be approached with an absent mind. Daily, you are to make choices that put your life into your own hands, and that is a huge part of the allure in the first place, to have control and to feel powerful, to live without fear.

If you have fear clinging to your psyche, it'll cause you to make poor decisions and will eventually eat away at your sanity. The great thing about nature is with a level head, there is nothing to fear. The lessons learned have a positive impact on a formerly depressed mind once you find yourself among the masses and away from the serenity that was once at your fingertips and thriving within your soul. Going through crisis changes you forever.



There are a few rules I have for myself:

• No cell phone, no EPERB, no GPS.
• Map, compass acceptable of course
• At least a month in between resupplies, longer for canoe travel
• Take advantage of any bounty the land has to offer, cattail tubers, berries, etc.
• All travel done by foot, bike or canoe


I'm refusing to bring a sat. phone, GPS or any technology that will distance me from the core of the experience. I'll make calls from pay phones when I resupply, but other than that I don't want much contact. With the shunning of potentially life saving devices, it becomes ever more important to have faith in my decision making and a sharp mind when away from civilization for weeks at a time.

For my diet, There are a few staples I am looking into packing. I've been vegetarian since Oct. '08. This will definitely change to pescetarianism at the least, for fish are plentiful and a great source of fuel in the wilderness. I have not decided about small game such as rabbits, squirrels or partridge, duck, ptarmigan etc. I think I will have to, because to be honest nothing tastes better at the end of a long exhausting day than nutritious vitamin packed flesh of a wild animal. My main opposition to humans eating meat is factory farming.



Come spring, I want to head west and spend the beginnings of it in Banff national park and the Albertan Rockies. I'm attracted by possibilities of mountaineering, and thru-hiking regions. I then plan on traveling up to British Columbia, and spending some time in the city there, enjoying the gorgeous coast. I feel a strong gravitational pull on my body telling me to go north from here, as Alaska has always been an enigma, out of reach. I'm not sure if I can get the funds for a bush plane flight, but it's in for consideration. If you fall off the Alaska highway you can find yourself in untarnished wild, so it may not be necessary. I have an idea of turning back East before it gets too far into the summer. I want it to come full circle and culminate in Labrador. We'll see.


My Hilleberg 4 season solo tent. Got it for a great deal at $350 barely used.

One thing I know is you can only sit around for so long, when there's so much out there waiting for you.

The time's right, I see this as a necessary thing for me to do at this point in my life having gone through a recent crisis, and a current addiction to amphetamine that should be taken care of while it's in infancy (8 month user). It'll be a chance for sobriety, growth and gaining more mental fortitude.  :wutermelon:

I may bring some drugs. I want to eat LSD or inject 4-AcO-DMT on the edge of life in a valley somewhere, to truly test the limits of my death anxiety. No doubt it'll be a trip of its own.




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    #11884789 - 01/23/10 12:52 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

Good read man!

I am a bit of a gear head, what all are you carrying?

Also, when you resupply, what staples do you like grab?

I am on the verge of my great "Fuck Off" as I have so eloquently labeled it, and would like some input on the minimalist style you seem to have adopted.  I have done things a little too domestically, relying on a fulltime job for money, the need of a food dehydrator and a home to prepare all this shit...  I am looking for some insight into your methodology.  Anything you would mind sharing would be most wonderful (ie, what you do for money, where you live when not travelling etc... any and all input is good)  :laugh:

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    #11884887 - 01/23/10 01:05 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

I should add, that i am trying to get off the grid as much as I possibly can... without having the usual, inevitable recoil back into civilization.  I want this to be my life, not some special trip I make only when I can afford it.  I will obviously work when I need money, but not in my usual get a job, get a place, get a car kinda way. All the jobs I usually take on go right through peak traveling time (April-November), so I have to rethink these options. 

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    #11892175 - 01/24/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 7 days ago)

you guys don't worry about mountain lions at all? thats the biggest thing stopping me from sleeping in the woods.

by the way, that was an awesome and very inspiring post. probably the best i've ever read on this forum. thanks a lot.


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    #11900714 - 01/25/10 07:24 PM (14 years, 5 days ago)

That sounds awesome dude, If your starting in Banff national park and enjoy mountaneering, SCrambles in the Canadian Rockies is an awesome book I definately recomend you getting. It has about 150mountains you can get to the top of without a rope. Now mind you some of them you would probably want a rope(if you slip and fall you fall 1000feet and die) But alot of them Like MT Temple, and most of the moderate ones are just alot of work but definately give a great reward.


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    #11904509 - 01/26/10 10:23 AM (14 years, 5 days ago)

This is a great thread. I have found Quoiyaien's posts especially helpful.

I am also interested in thru-hiking, but am very inexperienced with wilderness survival. I've read lots but have never done any multi-day trips into the true wilderness ...

Luckily i am starting to find friends who are interested in such things so this will be the summer for me to get out and figure things out.


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    #11906455 - 01/26/10 04:12 PM (14 years, 5 days ago)

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I have found Quoiyaien's posts especially helpful.






Why thank you :heart:

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    #11915824 - 01/28/10 12:26 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Quoiyaien's posts are very helpful, especially the one about all that food, I love to save money. I'm trying to get a friend of mine to join me on some backpacking down in the appalachians. Honestly I have no idea where to start really. I Don't really no much at all about eastern North America. Recently just figured out where the appalachians where hahaha. I was born in Lake Louise alberta but relocated to Ontario 5years ago and miss the mountains so bad. So finding out that I could drive to some cool mountains(albit not as tall as the rockies) and do some hiking in much warmer climate aswell. I have decided though that I want to do the Contental divide/Great Divide trail the PCT trail and the Appalachian trail/Canada part whatever its called before I die. I'm only 18 so I think I can getter done.


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    #11916306 - 01/28/10 06:02 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

If you're thinking of doing the Appalachian Trail... DEFINITELY read this site... tons of useful articles, info, links, and advice from seasoned thru-hikers. The site focuses on the Appalachian Trail thru-hiking, but there is a plethora of info there for anyone interested in thru-hiking. More data there than even a fanatic would need.

http://www.whiteblaze.net/


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Quoiyaien's posts are very helpful, especially the one about all that food, I love to save money. I'm trying to get a friend of mine to join me on some backpacking down in the appalachians. Honestly I have no idea where to start really. I Don't really no much at all about eastern North America. Recently just figured out where the appalachians where hahaha. I was born in Lake Louise alberta but relocated to Ontario 5years ago and miss the mountains so bad. So finding out that I could drive to some cool mountains(albit not as tall as the rockies) and do some hiking in much warmer climate aswell. I have decided though that I want to do the Contental divide/Great Divide trail the PCT trail and the Appalachian trail/Canada part whatever its called before I die. I'm only 18 so I think I can getter done.



I'm 18 as well.

Quoiyaien sure is a valuable poster here, I got a lot of essential information from one post. For my gear basics: Hilleberg Akto 1 man 4 season tent. (Very light and quick to put up, I am pleased with it. Also a small vestibule). A Kelty 4000cu external frame pack with a shit load of space, as well as being comfortable. Love the external frame. MSR pocketrocket for a stove, mainly quick water boiling. I like to use the fire as well. Katahdin bag, foam rest. I am thinking about picking up a feathered friends rock wren for the colder months.

Looking into a light hammock as well, I know people who swear by them in the spring/summer climates.


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    #11918179 - 01/28/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

I'm sort of a gear head as well.
Here's my main gear:

Pack: Granite Gear Nimbus Meridian - 3800cu in, 62L - 3lb 8oz


Shelter: Hennessy Hammock Explorer Ultralight w/ extended sil-nylon Fly - 2lb.9oz


Bag: Some 20 degree REI down mummy bag (I need to get a synthetic bag)

Stove: Custom Made Beer Can Penny Stove - 1oz

Also have a MSR whisperlite I have for backup, but never use it.  Also a jetboil, that I never bring heh.

Water: MSR Miniworks EX - 16oz


Cooking: Non-Stick Titanium Pot (REI I think).. Lid Doubles as a Frying Pan - 6 oz.


TOOLS:
Gransfors Bruks - Small Forest Axe (1.5 lbs.. worth its weight in gold)


Sven Folding Saw (1lb):


Fallkniven F1 Survival Blade - Official blade of the Swedish Air Force


And never go anywhere without
50'-100' of Paracord


5' of duct tape wrapped around a pen, and a flashlight
(ALWAYS should have duct tape!, and bringing a whole roll is a waste or space and weight. Take a few feet and wrap it around a pen or flashlight. MULTIPURPOSE EVERYTHING!)


I probably wouldn't take the axe or saw for thru-hiking on the Appalachain Trail or something, no need. But I take them both EVERYWHERE whenever I'm camping or backpacking in the wilderness. The 2 1/2 lbs they weight is MORE than worth it when you are freezing and you can expend MINIMAL energy to build an amazing fire or shelter in no time flat.

I like the wilderness experience, but I LOVE my gear and wouldn't want to be without it.. it certainly makes life out there much more comfortable, knowing you have the proper gear and proper tools to handle whatever may come your way.


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    #11918336 - 01/28/10 02:53 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Solid man, solid. I have a full sized Gransfors and love it, I'll have to pick up the one you posted for shorter trips. I also have a nice light Bahco Laplander I've had for a couple years that is as sharp as ever, will be carrying that.



Paracord FTW. I only have 25' feet left lying around, must add that to the list.

I've opted not to bring a water filter. What do you think? I just don't see myself using it enough for the space it takes (which is not much but as you know every bit counts).

That hammock looks fucking nice. It weighs about the same as my tent though. I'm going to look for a cheap one for daily camp needs. Great to be able to get yourself off the ground sometimes when you're out in all conditions.. Like the design of your pack as well. I decided to go for the old school external frame (Super Tioga) without regret although it is a little bulky I love the space and comfort.

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    #11918523 - 01/28/10 03:14 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Not bringing a water filter is pretty iffy if you are in backcountry. I wouldn't risk it unless you know for sure there are clean sources of water available all through the trail. I know plenty of thru-hikers on the Appalachian Trail that just bring iodine tablets for backup, and never use a filter.. but the AT is one of the most traveled trails in the US and there is plenty of fresh water sources along the way. Well me personally, I filter my water first then boil it when I want to be really sure. You can always just boil it but I don't really like that idea, you're still drinking all the particles and crap in it. I don't like to sacrifice too much comfort for weight.. and to me.. having clean water is pretty important so I deal with the 12 ounces or whatever it is.

I fucking LOVE my hammock. Can string it up almost anywhere, never have to worry about sleeping on sticks, or waking up in a wet spot.. and I sleep like a baby in a cocoon and wake up feeling great.. never have back pains. Biggest downside is that cold sucks balls in a hammock, you got that free wind blowing underneath you.. if its even remotely chilly, you HAVE to have some type of thermal insulation under you, or you'll have a freezing back and a hot top.. not cool. I carry a foldy thermarest, which gets the job done.. but eventually I want to get an underquilt/nest.

That Gransfors is amazing. They make the best damn axes in the world.. and a lifetime guarantee on the head, how can you go wrong? People thought I was crazy to pay $120 or something for a little axe, but then when they saw how flawless it was, and how light.. they changed their minds.

My pack is also fucking amazing. I did a lot of research before deciding on it, Granite Gear makes some awesome packs but this one was the money. Most hardcore lightweighters use the Ozone, the much smaller lighter weight GG pack, this one is much bigger and like a pound heavier and has more pockets and such, but it holds all my crap and then some. The suspension system is comfortable as FUCK... I can easily carry 40 lbs in this thing all day long without it even causing a strain, barely even noticeable.. it hugs your back so nicely at all the right angles, and very generously padded and ventilated. The suspension system is also completely adjustable which is refreshing compared to a lot of packs.

I used to like the external frames, they are really handy for carrying a lot of stuff - mostly for all the little extra pockets, and being able to lash stuff on the outside. I just went for an internal frame for the whole lightweight/minial thing.. they are easier to carry as they have a lower center of gravity and hug your back tighter. Yeah you only have one main compartment so things can get cluttered but it's a compromise.


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    #11918735 - 01/28/10 03:41 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Filtering waters gunna be weird for me. Never had to do that stuff before. All the hikes ive done in the rockies the water is like the absolute most awesomeness water i've ever drank anywhere in the world hahaha. I'll prolly just get some chemy tabs I think I have some laying around anyways


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    #11918759 - 01/28/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Electrical tape is awesome 2 and a little roll is really small and you get alot out of it.


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    #11921846 - 01/29/10 12:35 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

I was thinking about getting a couples of these things.

http://www.amazon.com/Aquamira-Frontier-Emergency-Filter-System/dp/B000OR115W/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1264750251&sr=8-11



It's an emergency filter.
So it probably isn't meant for frequent use, but I imagine is Does work? Like filters out giardia and shit?  :penguinmonkey:


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    #11922300 - 01/29/10 03:51 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

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My pack is also fucking amazing.




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    #11922500 - 01/29/10 05:44 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Don't remember exactly but I think I paid $200-240 for it brand new about a year ago and it's been worth every penny so far.

Campmor has it right now for $120 - That's a fucking steal. This thing is QUALITY and is the lightest weight pack in that that size class. At least it was a year ago.

Haven't done any research lately to see if they've made any new/better packs.. but I've had mine for over a year now and it's still almost like brand new. Probably have this thing for many many years to come unless it gets stolen. Just added a bunch of strips of duct tape all to the bottom to prevent wear, as I set it down on concrete a few times and I noticed the fabric got a little fuzzy/worn in some spots. Don't want that. Half of the bag is a reinforced ripstop type sil-nylon material, and the rest is 210d cordura.. it's strudy but it is a lightweight bag so you want to be gentle with it when possible.. you don't want to thrash it like you can with a rugged canvas external frame or something. It can take abuse but I like to take care of my gear so it takes care of me.. 

Thing is fing amazing though, I highly recommend Granite Gear packs.

and if you do end up getting one.. check out all the cool accessories you can add to them - http://www.granitegear.com/products/overview/accessories.html
I recommend getting one or two of those armored pockets.. I got 2 large ones.. they work perfectly with the GG packs and attach right on the sides. Thickly Padded and pretty much completely waterproof, with waterproof zippers. Excellent side pockets for storing small things/things you need quick access to without digging through the big main bag. They also have little pockets for the waist strap. So you can basically have a comfortable ass lightweight internal frame pack, with some of the features of an external (more pockets!)

2 of those added 460cubic inches of space to my pack for 7.4 oz. And if I don't need the space or want to shed the weight they pop off in about 5 seconds.
In one of them I carry my fire making kit, survival kit/mini tool kit, mini first aid kit.
In the other one I usually carry snacks/energy bars/gorp, headlamp, compass, map, sunglasses, camera, other little things I want quick access to.


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    #11922506 - 01/29/10 05:55 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Cuscus has an 8100 ci pack for like $50 on amazon. I don't know about taking it across the wilds of the great north but I'm planning a hike of the AT this spring and that is what I'm taking with me.

As to the meat thing, don't know if this had been brought up yet but nuts are an excellent alternative to meat. And of course jerky lasts forever if you do decide to bring meat. Those are going to be my two sources of protein.

But I guess the beauty of the AT is that you can stop every few days and resupply. You're never too far from civilization. If you had to trek through uninhabited areas, your best bet would obviously be to bring stuff to hunt and forage with.


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    #11922681 - 01/29/10 07:45 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Hope you try out that pack first... you never know how a pack will wear or if it will even sit properly until you have some weight in it and carry it around a bit. Last thing you want to be doing is walking 2,100+ miles with an uncomfortable, heavy ass pack. oh nvm.. you said hike not thru-hike.
Of all hiking gear though, I'd say pack is the single most important thing to try out first. If even the only thing.
2 things about that pack in particular though: 1. It's cheaply made, 2. It weighs NINE pounds itself.
If you can get past that.. that's probably the best pack you can get for 50 bucks unless you make your own..
For my big three pieces of gear.. I'd just as soon spend a little extra for something tried and true and much lighter.. and skimp and save on the stuff that doesn't matter much, like clothes. i.e - buying the $58 designer poly moisture-wicking shirt - or getting the same thing without the label and racing stripes at a thrift store for $1. The $180 MSR stove that weighs 3 lbs, or the $3 alcohol stove that weighs 1 oz that you built in 20 minutes.. etc


FOOD
As far as foods go, you generally want to go for really high calories, dense, super nutritional stuff. The biggest nutrition out of the densest foods.
Nuts are of course an obvious choice, they last forever, are packed with protein, essential fats and amino acids. Peanuts, walnuts, almonds, all very very good. Then you have Dried Fruit and Chocolate for sweet and high calorie complex carbs and you have your basic GORP variation.
Seeds.. pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds.  organic peanut butter w/ sprouted flatbread.
Tuna is a good source of protein and omega 3s that will stay fresh for months unrefrigerated, though I only get them in the foil pouches not the cans, for obvious space/weight issues. I sometimes carry a little bottle of olive oil, to chug straight.. or add to stuff.. when you need a nice calorie boost and some good ol omega3s and fat.

Pasta meals are good.. but I try to avoid instant oatmeal and top ramen and easy crap like that.. it has hardly any nutritional value and I really try and avoid white flours, hydrogenated oils and MSG COMPLETELY.. and high fructose corn syrup. I avoid them normally but I REALLY try and avoid them while backpacking, your body needs fuel to be in top performance and poisoning it doesn't help.
Whole grains are good, steel cut oatmeal is very good, just requires more prep time to cook.. not more cooking. Just soak the grains in water for an hour or two before cooking and cook as normal. Fresh fruit is a luxury whenever you can get it, I always try and bring several dried fruits.
Cheese is another luxury, some cheeses pack well.. a nice sharp block of cheddar or something will stay good for a few days if you wrap it. 

Vegetables are generally the hardest thing to bring on the trail but something you definitely need. If there's one thing most hikers don't get enough of on the trail.. it's probably fruits and veggies. You need greens and you need that roughage. You can get creative with dehydrated stuff and making soups and whatnot, but dehydrated food has its own drawbacks, it loses vitamin content very quickly as it oxidizes.
Canned greens (canned anything) is not AT ALL viable with nutrition to weight ratio. Smoked greens are one good option.
YERBA MATE tea is a very good idea.. it's loaded with nutrients.. vitamin Bs and tons of amino acids and minerals your body uses, it's like drinking a super salad.. But don't drink it too often, as it is a diuretic. 

Vitamin C is not stable to light, heat, or air. Therefore dried fruits and vegetables have usually lost over 90% of their Vitamin C content. You definitely want vitamin C. That's one thing you may consider supplementing, it can be hard to get vitamin C on the trail unless you know wild plants that contain it or stop for fresh fruit every other day. Vitamin C is a `very` essential nutrient your body needs to survive and unlike many other vitamins, the body is unable to produce its own, and it can only store a certain amount.. so you need to regularly "refill your C levels" if you want to stay in good health. Luckily, C is pretty easy to get if you know where to look, it is contained in tons of wild plants, pine needles, rose hips, all kinds of fruits, wild plants and flowers etc.

You can(SHOULD) also supplement with chlorella/seaweed/spinach other superfoods like that. The point is to get as much fresh fruits and vegetables on the trail as possible - the more the better - most people don't get nearly enough.

And I always recommend getting to know the edible plants in the area and being able to properly identify SAFE things to eat, that's a VERY useful skill to have.. if you can supplement your diet with fresh greens and other wild edibles from your environment, that helps a ton. Picking greens on the trail could be a major source of your fresh vegetables diet.

So basically there's a few major things to be conscious of:
Your body is burning way more calories than normal while backpacking. You need to replace those extra calories with food, or it will eat your body instead. Contrary to popular belief, eating more is not always as easy as it sounds. Say If you normally burn 2,000 calories a day, while backpacking you are probably burning more like 4,000-5,000, you need to replace those calories. Most hikers are usually deficient in one or more of the following on the trail: (and thus many end up losing tons of weight)
- Not getting enough CALORIES
- Not getting enough PROTEIN
- Not getting enough/ANY VEGETABLES
- Not getting enough/ANY CALCIUM

- COMPLETE proteins, and getting enough of them (Combing grains w/ nuts and/or legumes). If you are eating a combination of nuts, grains, seeds, or beans then you are getting complete proteins and don't have to worry about it. If you are eating meat too, that's already complete. But getting enough protein and fat can be an issue, you are burning a lot hiking.
- Fruits and Vegetables - eat them often, eat many different kinds. Eat fresh whenever possible.
- Calcium - Cheeses, Yogurts, some fish, leafy greens
- SNACKING throughout the day - making sure you get plenty of fuel - through carbs, fat and protein. - stuff like GORP, chocolate, granola/energy/candy bars. Try not to eat tons of sugar though. But after an especially grueling day, you really need to replace those complex carbs in your body. Pasta and grains are good to eat at night to replenish your carb store, and eat your high sugar stuff AFTER exercising, not before..so you aren't spiking your insulin and plummeting your glucose levels, leading to less energy.
- Avoid like the plague: "Instant" grains, instant white rice, white flours, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Hydrogenated Oils, MSG.. and processed and 'empty' calorie foods.

A word on vitamin supplements/pills -
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"There is unlimited evidence whole grains and vegetables are significantly more valuable than supplements. Eat well to get usable nutrients, don’t assume that a vitamin tablet is a healthy substitute for vitamins from food."




A multivitamin or something can be helpful to maybe fill in the gaps if you are deficient in a certain vitamin or something... and it's certainly better than nothing at all.. but get your nutrients from your FOOD, and don't rely on a pill for proper nutrition.. that's my advice.


And here is a list of common backpacking foods people bring and their nutritional info so you can compare foods side by side.
http://www.whiteblaze.net/index.php?page=nutrition


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    #11928105 - 01/30/10 06:07 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Damn dude, right on. There's a lot of great stuff there.

I'm not ready for the thru-hike just yet. I have to find my mountain feet first. But it will be someday soon, probably after I'm done with all my schooling.

What is this $3 alcohol stove? I like the sound of that. I wasn't looking forward to lugging my five pound coleman across Shenandoah.

I'm not sold on the cuscus. The main attractor to me was the fact that it holds so much. But, yes nine pounds is a bit much. I'm still debating buying my pack online and saving a little $$ vs. going to a supply store and testing one out right there.

One thing I won't be leaving without is my SAS pocket survival guide. I'd say it weighs maybe 2 ounces and it has all the information I could ever want, from dressing an animal to building emergency shelters in any climate zone. It's also got a great little section on identifying edible plants and fungi.


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    #12099568 - 02/26/10 12:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I hiked the appalachian trail from new hampshire to boston.

Was one of the coolest fucking experiences of my entire life.


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    #12102188 - 02/26/10 01:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You can build your own alcohol stove for about $3, they weigh about an ounce.
http://zenstoves.net/
If you don't feel confident to make your own, people make them and sell them with everything you need except fuel for about $20.


9lbs is insanely heavy for a pack. Mine holds 70 liters and it weighs 3.8 lbs. Definitely do some shopping around before you decide on anything. You can find good deals online - but try to try packs on first at the store - and if you like them you can go and save some money by ordering online. When it comes to packs, I would DEFINITELY do your research first, read reviews, try it on... see what other people think. Stoves, clothes, sleeping bag, etc these are all mostly personal preference, but your pack is going to be on your back carrying all that weight the entire time.. you want it to be as comfortable as possible while holding 30+ lbs.

SAS pocket guide is very well worth its weight in gold. It's things like a 5 lb coleman stove - definitely a big nono. Or a mag light or something. Get a lightweight alcohol stove that weighs ounces, a nice light headlamp. No sense carrying tons of extra weight when you don't have to.


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    #12223727 - 03/18/10 11:02 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone gettin started on one of these anytime soon??


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    #12225537 - 03/18/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I am thru-hiking the west coast trail in June/July with a female friend of mine.

75kms in a coastal rainforest and along the beaches - we'll probably take 5-6 days. There's lots of hype on the west coast trail being super challenging, but it sounds pretty heavily traveled and fairly easy these days, compared to how it was in the 70's.

Anyone done it?

Anyways, i am really looking forward to the planning stages of this, especially planning a menu and dehydrating/preparing one pot meals.

Finally - all my reading and research over the years will be put to use.

Now that i have wheels and am not tied down - i can see myself doing alot of multi-day hike's in the coming years. Anyone who does this sort of thing gets huge respect from me.


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    #12227263 - 03/18/10 08:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I was going to hike the AT but life sort of got in the way. Now it seems I'm moving to San Francisco.

I just finished reading the National Geographic article on Mike Fay's Redwood Range Transect...basically he hiked from just south of Big Sur to just above the Oregon border looking for the biggest, oldest redwoods.

For me, this would be a dream come true. I have never seen a redwood in person but I am looking forward to it to the point of almost not believing that such things actually exist.


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    #12569239 - 05/15/10 07:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Alright, this is close to the materialization.. Was looking for some recommendations on some scrambles or even hikes to some smalelr peaks in Alberta/BC.I'm not carrying/don't have mountaineering equipment. Any suggestions?

This'll be the first time since I was a young kid I will be spending in the mountains, can't fucking wait.


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    #12569356 - 05/15/10 08:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I am in the same situation. I will be doing my first multiday backpacking trips hopefully within a month. I am in the Thompson/Okanagan, BC.

When the weather clears, i will be heading here: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/cathedral/

Manning park is in close proximity and has easier access and multiday hikes aswell.

and here:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/stein_val/

I am currently reading a guide book to Wells Gray park which is 2 hours from me... one of BC's biggest wilderness parks ... so hopefully get out there for some weekend trips with friends soon :smile:

I would definitely recommend looking into national and provincial parks in your area and then going from there. Glacier national park is between the BC/Alberta boarder, so it might be a good option for you + i hear there is hot springs there.

I was surprised at how many trail guide books my library has.

Also try signing up for the forums at clubtread.com, they have regional forums...


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    #12569522 - 05/15/10 08:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, excellentI had planned to visit the hot springs!:awesome:

Thanks for the links. I have been looking over some of the larger national parks, and am just trying to put together a loose schedule/itinerary. I essentially have until August to do or go wherever I want,providing money doesn't run out, and picked up a nice van for a couple grand that's been built for this trip. I have some worries about leaving it parked for days, but it's not exactly new and I think making it clear there's nothing valuable inside and I should be safe.

I scrapped the pure thru-hiking plan for now, truth is I don't yet have the endurance or experience to dive into it just yet, this will give me an option for some down time as well as the freedom to spend days out in a larger environment. Also requires less planning as I can pack a ton of shit and pick and choose.


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    #12569582 - 05/15/10 08:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Delicious Apes said:

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Thanks for the links. I have been looking over some of the larger national parks, and am just trying to put together a loose schedule/itinerary. I essentially have until August to do or go wherever I want,providing money doesn't run out,




Too funny, i am in a very similar situation. I have no obligations all Summer as of last Friday. I am collecting employment insurance and plan on spending as much time on the road/in the bush as possible to conserve my meager earnings. For the first time i have a vehicle and equipment and am ready to go. :smile: - Only thing holding me back, is i am having Hernia Surgery on Monday so that'll require 3-4 weeks downtime.

I am thinking about gearing up about the second week of June and heading down to the Okanagan and checking out Manning and Cathedral for 4 or 5 days each.

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I have some worries about leaving it parked for days, but it's not exactly new and I think making it clear there's nothing valuable inside and I should be safe.




I have the same fear - but i figure my empty $1800 toyota tercel shouldn't be too much of a target in the parking lots...

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I scrapped the pure thru-hiking plan for now, truth is I don't yet have the endurance or experience to dive into it just yet, this will give me an option for some down time as well as the freedom to spend days out in a larger environment. Also requires less planning as I can pack a ton of shit and pick and choose.




Good plan. I don't have the experience, but do have the confidence, planning ability and endurance to head out. I am inexperienced with a compass and that is my biggest draw back. In order to better my chances of success, i am going to plan on using well marked trails that will take 1-2 days to complete (ie. under 25kms.)


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