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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: thedh02]
    #9604559 - 01/13/09 10:20 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

Haha, PE is now out of stock at Ralphsters, probably in part due to this thread.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: thedh02]
    #9604672 - 01/13/09 10:35 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

:blush:

PE will grow on anything just like any other cubensis but i would STRONGLY advise spawning to bulk with it. if you DO use grain stick with rye - tried and true spawn/substrate.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Dreamster1]
    #9604720 - 01/13/09 10:42 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

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well i know i am walking into a shit storm here but here it goes.

i am not saying that i had anything to do with the development of this strain but i did have a direct hand in its re-emergence. i have heard mjshroomer takes the same stance, which i do not doubt. but years and years and YEARS ago i was a member of the shroomery. been so long i honestly have forgotten my old screen name(ADMINS: would love to figure out how to retrieve it!) anyhow, i was given a print (a dark, normal looking print to boot!) from an individual who claims he received it from Mckenna himself YEARS prior. we were not even sure if it was viable - it was very old and dry. sure enough it was and i began cultivating it like mad. anyhow, i contacted workman - this was when he was just starting sporeworks. i sent him a sample of it (and if workman is reading this i hope he remembers me - i was the guy that also sent you a bunch of Pan Cyan prints on slides...) anyhow, that was really the only strain i worked with for years. outdoor grows are amaziiiiiing with it - best shot at getting a print like the original.

anyhow, the word was that the strain came from La Chorrera where Terrance and his brother Dennis first discovered wild cubensis (see: true hallucinations). the further word was that it was the strain they brought back and domesticated (could be the first truly domesticated strain, not sure about that though). anyhow the FURTHER word was that Terrance and Dennis did some very avant-garde things in their experiments (see: Dennis's theories in true hallucinations). well, we all also know that Terrance really did believe the sacred mushrooms had alien orgins...

i know alot of people think the PE unsual appearance is just a result of constant cloning, selective breeding, etc, etc. my rebuttal to those theories have always been the following:

1) the original print i once had was as deep and rich as ANY cubenis i have ever seen. perhaps it only drops spores in its original extra-terrestrial habitat hahaha!
2) the strain itself is almost ridiculously resistant and durable. SEE the PF classic and what over-breeding has done to that poor strain.
3) the potency and effects are hands down completely different and much more intense than any other cubensis (to be honest i have tried ALOT of actives (Pan Cyan, Azures, etc blah blah) and the experience with PE is STILL my favorite - deep, rich and unspeakably spiritual)

anyhow, i am sure i will get flamed as that appears to be a staple response on this forum these days.



That's an interesting story.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Mad Merlyn]
    #9604782 - 01/13/09 10:53 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

thanks! thought i would get flamed for claiming to have had a hand in its re-emergence LOL!

i am just glad my all time favorite strain is still around. i have often thought it purposely stopped dropping spores but upped its potency JUST so that we all would have to cultivate it...creating an even further symbiotic bond with us... :crazy2:


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: archivist]
    #9604874 - 01/13/09 11:08 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

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Haha, PE is now out of stock at Ralphsters, probably in part due to this thread.




Ralphsters has been out of PE at least since 10/08. 

Ive been waiting.


can n e 1 tell me what vendor their potent PE strain came from? 
chances are they could b still the same strain.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9604899 - 01/13/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

Didn't realize Ralphster has been backordered for so long!

Not a chance that you'll get the same "strain" though.  Each spore print is going to be filled with all sorts of varied genetics so you won't really know for sure if yours will perform the same.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9604905 - 01/13/09 11:13 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

go with sporeworks... thats where that print i had went. sure shot for the real deal.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Mad Merlyn]
    #9606480 - 01/14/09 07:16 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Dreamster1 said:
well i know i am walking into a shit storm here but here it goes.

i am not saying that i had anything to do with the development of this strain but i did have a direct hand in its re-emergence. i have heard mjshroomer takes the same stance, which i do not doubt. but years and years and YEARS ago i was a member of the shroomery. been so long i honestly have forgotten my old screen name(ADMINS: would love to figure out how to retrieve it!) anyhow, i was given a print (a dark, normal looking print to boot!) from an individual who claims he received it from Mckenna himself YEARS prior. we were not even sure if it was viable - it was very old and dry. sure enough it was and i began cultivating it like mad. anyhow, i contacted workman - this was when he was just starting sporeworks. i sent him a sample of it (and if workman is reading this i hope he remembers me - i was the guy that also sent you a bunch of Pan Cyan prints on slides...) anyhow, that was really the only strain i worked with for years. outdoor grows are amaziiiiiing with it - best shot at getting a print like the original.

anyhow, the word was that the strain came from La Chorrera where Terrance and his brother Dennis first discovered wild cubensis (see: true hallucinations). the further word was that it was the strain they brought back and domesticated (could be the first truly domesticated strain, not sure about that though). anyhow the FURTHER word was that Terrance and Dennis did some very avant-garde things in their experiments (see: Dennis's theories in true hallucinations). well, we all also know that Terrance really did believe the sacred mushrooms had alien orgins...

i know alot of people think the PE unsual appearance is just a result of constant cloning, selective breeding, etc, etc. my rebuttal to those theories have always been the following:

1) the original print i once had was as deep and rich as ANY cubenis i have ever seen. perhaps it only drops spores in its original extra-terrestrial habitat hahaha!
2) the strain itself is almost ridiculously resistant and durable. SEE the PF classic and what over-breeding has done to that poor strain.
3) the potency and effects are hands down completely different and much more intense than any other cubensis (to be honest i have tried ALOT of actives (Pan Cyan, Azures, etc blah blah) and the experience with PE is STILL my favorite - deep, rich and unspeakably spiritual)

anyhow, i am sure i will get flamed as that appears to be a staple response on this forum these days.



That's an interesting story.




That is quite an interesting story.  Would you happen to know who that individual was and if they would happen to have any information on how the strain might have started?  I'm still pretty curious about this.  I don't really buy the whole alien life-form thing....it had to have started somehow.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Dreamster1]
    #9606546 - 01/14/09 07:46 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Sooo i could grow PE useing PF tek?? im not looking for bulk right now...as im still learning how to grow them period.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: thehappymushroom]
    #9606588 - 01/14/09 08:00 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Yeah sure and you could do something sort of inbetween.  Crumble a bunch of pf cakes into a small monotub and fruit in there.  Personally, I believe that to be easier and less maintenance then standard FC's.

Once you got used to that it's not much of a step to mixing that with a bulk substrate.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Spongiform]
    #9606651 - 01/14/09 08:18 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Yeah sure and you could do something sort of inbetween.  Crumble a bunch of pf cakes into a small monotub and fruit in there.  Personally, I believe that to be easier and less maintenance then standard FC's.




where can i read about this? sum1 else told me about monotubs. but im not to sure of this process.do i juss break up the cake on bare deep baking tin or do i have to layer it with verm.where am i suppose to put it ive seen certain monotubs sitting in tanks with perlite. A link or direction would be great if u dont feel like explaining.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: thehappymushroom]
    #9606713 - 01/14/09 08:36 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Sure, I'll send via PM so we don't get this thread too far off topic.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Spongiform]
    #9606736 - 01/14/09 08:43 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

blood thanks for this thread
you have made my mind up for me
i am only doing edibles atm but my next grow will be PE for sure
i have a swab and agar so ill give it a go
thanks again +5 for you

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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: thehappymushroom]
    #9606755 - 01/14/09 08:50 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

yeah you can just break them up into a baking tin, that would work fine. I wouldn't layer them with vermiculite though. Just crumble and case with any of the standard casing mixtures. NOTE: case only after a few days - let the crumbled cakes re-knit themselves together before casing... Cover with foil while this occurring as well.  Then just cover the top of the pan with foil and let the casing colonize. PE is a fast colonizer so watch your casing to make sure it does not over grow. I would bet, seeing as your not adding any new nutrients and the mycelium has been at work digesting the cake for sometime,  your pins will show up rather quickly - 7 days or so.

I have never used a monotub - I am a strong believer in "low-tech", not that the monotub is "high-tech" but I would just put your pan in another larger tub or terrarium (once casing is colonized and foil removed) and then just mist/fan often. Cover the top of the tub with a clear plastic to keep humidity up. This strain WILL fruit under just about any condition...


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9606767 - 01/14/09 08:52 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

those mosnter shrooms in your sig look like PE done outdoors on horsepoo. I used to have a ton of pics from outdoor grows with PE and Pan Cyans going side by side - and the PE were HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE. The Cyans got pretty big for that species as well.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Dreamster1]
    #9606777 - 01/14/09 08:55 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

those are EQ that i cloned
every one seems to love that pic

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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9606834 - 01/14/09 09:10 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Spongiform]
    #9607365 - 01/14/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Yeah sure and you could do something sort of inbetween.  Crumble a bunch of pf cakes into a small monotub and fruit in there.  Personally, I believe that to be easier and less maintenance then standard FC's.

Once you got used to that it's not much of a step to mixing that with a bulk substrate.





crumbling cakes does work, but by crumbling u risk contams cuz your breaking the mycs' natural contam barrier.  when a cake is fully colonized its pretty much sealed off from contams.  breaking them up adds time to the whole process(myc has to repair itself) also.  it would be safer and easier to just 'dunk and roll' and place in the FC. IMO.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9607460 - 01/14/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Yeah sure and you could do something sort of inbetween.  Crumble a bunch of pf cakes into a small monotub and fruit in there.  Personally, I believe that to be easier and less maintenance then standard FC's.

Once you got used to that it's not much of a step to mixing that with a bulk substrate.





crumbling cakes does work, but by crumbling u risk contams cuz your breaking the mycs' natural contam barrier.  when a cake is fully colonized its pretty much sealed off from contams.  breaking them up adds time to the whole process(myc has to repair itself) also.  it would be safer and easier to just 'dunk and roll' and place in the FC. IMO.




I second this.  You're going to be using a fruiting chamber of sorts to fruit the trays once they're fully colonized, so you would only be adding a step by doing this.

For noobies (like myself) I would just dunk and roll and fruit.  Less added steps means less chance for contams.


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Re: PE= potent as hell! [Re: Dreamster1]
    #9607501 - 01/14/09 11:50 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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i am not saying that i had anything to do with the development of this strain but i did have a direct hand in its re-emergence. i have heard mjshroomer takes the same stance, which i do not doubt. but years and years and YEARS ago i was a member of the shroomery. been so long i honestly have forgotten my old screen name(ADMINS: would love to figure out how to retrieve it!) anyhow, i was given a print (a dark, normal looking print to boot!) from an individual who claims he received it from Mckenna himself YEARS prior. we were not even sure if it was viable - it was very old and dry. sure enough it was and i began cultivating it like mad. anyhow, i contacted workman - this was when he was just starting sporeworks. i sent him a sample of it (and if workman is reading this i hope he remembers me - i was the guy that also sent you a bunch of Pan Cyan prints on slides...) anyhow, that was really the only strain i worked with for years. outdoor grows are amaziiiiiing with it - best shot at getting a print like the original.





I do remember!  And it is good to have you back but, unfortunately, I don't remember your old nickname.  I might have it written down somewhere. 

The Sporeworks.com PE is a direct descendant of your original sample, which I still have in cold storage (circa 1997-98).  At the time I don't think you even called it Penis Envy, but just an exceptionally potent cubensis.  I remember specifically that you mentioned more normal looking fruits with outdoor cultivations.

MJshroomers stock is from Rich Gee's company in Washington (now defunct) and I don't know if it predates your material, but it well might.  By looking at the old promotional material, they do seem to be from a common source.  I don't know who originally came up with the PE name, but MJshroomer definately had a hand in at least increasing the awareness of this strain on the boards.  I even have an old Rich Gee swab via MJshroomer that I should test out.

Again. is definately good to have you back.  Drop me a PM sometime and we can talk about old times :wink:


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