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Kundalini help
    #9581732 - 01/10/09 07:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

After reading a couple books, and some posts here, i am positive that i have begun kundalini cleansing.  I was pushing really hard one day to open my third eye, i got teh idea from Maynard from the band tool. I felt the energy rise up and at the time i had my wife rush me to the hospital, i thought i was dying.  Thank god i chose not to go in, but it was an expierence i will enver forget.  Now the same thing happens, and i know what it is, but it happens sometimes, even when id ont want it to. I decided not to trip anymore because, now even on low doses, i release a ton of it and it almost feels like way more energy than my body can handle, I know im not crazy finally, but if there is anyone who is or has gone through something like this, i have some questions.  Should i not trip anymore, does that release too much or can i handle it, what should i do to maintain this, for some time i would release it and it would take a lot of work and meditation, but now like i said il be playing guitar and boom, il have bolts of energy shoot up my back. please contat me if anyone has expierence with this.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: slickvic]
    #9581905 - 01/10/09 09:14 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah man my sisters boyfriend's friend had that and they sent him away to a psych ward :crazy2:



just go with the flow bro


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: elcharrosays]
    #9582161 - 01/10/09 10:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I've had that experience. I'm in a rush and will have to post later, but I have some input for you. One question first, how long ago did this originally occur?


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Rahz]
    #9582426 - 01/10/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Oh great!, thanks, the first time was last summer, june i believe


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: elcharrosays]
    #9582449 - 01/10/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Cool experience, can you elaborate on it a little bit more? I'd love to have a kundalini awakening, how long does it take before you get there? What did you do in order to awaken it? And what are the benefits of having one? How does it change your life?

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Re: Kundalini help [Re: slickvic]
    #9582454 - 01/10/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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After reading a couple books, and some posts here, i am positive that i have begun kundalini cleansing.




Elaborate.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9582466 - 01/10/09 11:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you ask here?
I mean, most of the people on this forum are drug users, not spiritual seekers. At least i believe that.
So wouldn't it be easier to find an answer elsewhere?

Edited by myshroomyhead (01/10/09 11:48 AM)

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Re: Kundalini help [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9582592 - 01/10/09 12:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

When I was into the whole yoga/meditation/kundalini scene, I met more dysfunctional people who thought their panic attack or low blood sugar or ??? was a sign of spiritual progress. Not saying that is the case here, but self-deception is always a possibility.

What I found particularly ironic was that illness was considered a sign of kundalini and profound health was considered a sign of kundalini.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9582632 - 01/10/09 12:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

true kundalini awakening should not be sought out without the guidance of an experienced guru.

those are turbulent waters.

your best bet is to seek out someone of the buddist faith who trains people in kundalini awakening and see if he can help you.

good luck.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Desos]
    #9582643 - 01/10/09 12:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"those are turbulent waters."

The key is to float.

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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Desos]
    #9582655 - 01/10/09 12:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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true kundalini awakening should not be sought out without the guidance of an experienced guru.




I see. You know this how?


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9582715 - 01/10/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

read it somewhere a while ago.  cant remember where.

awakening the chakras can be a dangerous thing, and premature awakening can even cause insanity.  there is a certain amount of mental capacity required, and alot of balancing out of aspects of yourself.

premature kundalini awakening can be like building a mansion on a swamp.

also historically every student of kundalini has been guided by a guru.  the guru is there to make sure that you are ready, and balanced -- or to help stabalise you should you move too far too fast.

im sure that it is possible to do by yourself, but i wouldn't.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Desos]
    #9582729 - 01/10/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I read somewhere long ago the earth was flat.

Every student of kundalini being guided by a guru is just simply impossible because there had to be someone who was the first in the line and thus didn't have any guidance at all.

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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Desos]
    #9582767 - 01/10/09 12:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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awakening the chakras can be a dangerous thing, and premature awakening can even cause insanity.  there is a certain amount of mental capacity required, and alot of balancing out of aspects of yourself.

premature kundalini awakening can be like building a mansion on a swamp.





One more time, how specifically do you know this?


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Diaboleros]
    #9582805 - 01/10/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Improperly awakened kundalini may result in problems. Kundalini can be awakened spontaneously, forced or in a way that has been tested and thought to be safe. Since the chakras hold emotional residue it is advised to do emotional work before awakening kundalini. The energy tries to go from root to crown through the spinal channel. If there are blockages it may take a different route.

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Re: Kundalini help [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9582808 - 01/10/09 12:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

check out the intro to this book if you arent going to trust me.

http://books.google.com/books?id=asfkMf5vGDwC&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=void+clear+light+description&source=web&ots=1Tq_dPDRgy&sig=TTAyGrNN4FAIf5EZKoD8f9aHrFk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPR14,M1

i beleive he lists a specific example around page xvii

EDIT check out the last half of pg xi

pg xv



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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Desos]
    #9582869 - 01/10/09 01:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You know it is true because it was in a book? That is evidence only of the author's ability to persuade a publisher - nothing more.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Indigenous]
    #9582894 - 01/10/09 01:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Since the chakras hold emotional residue




No they don't.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9582929 - 01/10/09 01:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

well obviously my ability to persuade you is lacking.  whatever you wish to beleive.

but if you do a little bit of research into the subject i think you will find that this theme comes up time and time again.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Desos]
    #9582948 - 01/10/09 01:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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true kundalini awakening should not be sought out without the guidance of an experienced guru.





I'm the best guru, money-back guarantee.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Desos]
    #9582972 - 01/10/09 01:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

1. You have no idea what research I have or have not done, or are you prescient?

2. Reading a fictional book is not 'research'.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9582976 - 01/10/09 01:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:

No they don't.




How do you know that?


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Re: Kundalini help (moved) [Re: slickvic]
    #9582979 - 01/10/09 01:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was moved from Philosophy & Spirituality.

Reason:
Physical & Mental Well-being is a better forum in which to ask for advice.  :smile:

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Re: Kundalini help [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9583096 - 01/10/09 01:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, I will try to elaborate.  I have found it quite difficult to explain with out sounding crazy, but i will give it a go.  I bought a book that gives instrutions to opening your third eye, aka 6th chakra, which lies near between the eyebrows.  Basically you sit still and look there with your eyes closed, soudns abstract, but not really with your physical eyes, i tried to feel it. After a while the area began to tingle, and shine with an indigo, purplish light, some tiems brighter than others.  Anyway, tripping always made this process super easy.  One night i took a hefty dose, around 7 grams, they were weak, but still a heavy trip, I was meditationt to TOol third eye and trying to blast my third eye open further.  After  a while i actually felt a very tangible pressure at the bsae of my spine, almost like a baseball was trying to make its way up, and so it did, and it went to my third eye, and then all hell broke loose, i strated tripping harder than i ever have, and i felt again, a very tangible, physical bolt of what seemed like electricity shoot into my hands and then my body tingled, not a subtle tingle, but a very real fuckin tingle, for what ever reason, i started to feel like i was dying i dont know why but it just felt thta way, at that point i flipped out and had my wife drive me to the ER, i said my goodbyes, sure iw as about to die, and anyway, i never went in, came down from my trip, and didnt know what to think.  Well i got over my fear or having a bad trip, and i started eat shrooms again, and the exact same thing happend again, this time i knew death would not be the result, so i just said fuck it and let it happen, and thsi time, the energy traveling up my spine felt, well it is hard to describe, utter bliss, like at that moment i knew and felt God does exist, and this is what divinity feels like.  I also got pretty good with my third eye and could travel through these tunnels, not in an abstract metaphorical way but, i felt it. Anyway, i was able to do this with just smoking some weed after a while, and after some time i bought a booko on the chakras that mentioned kundalini and all that shit, which is when i realized what was going on. I began kundalini yoga which made gave some interesting results, i could see my aura in the mirrior, even while sober!  Now though when i trip, its like this kundalini energy decides to release itself, and my last 3 trips, which were all in the span of 3 weeks, it seemed like more was getting released, and all along the way i felt the emense pressure in my skull, and have sudden bolts of energy when i fart or something, this was not an issue its normal.  But last time, last night specifically, i couldnt even enjoy my trip, the expierence of the kundalini rising became so intense, that i didnt think my mind and body coudl take it, and i no longer had control of how muych and when it released.  I would feel my walsl closing in and know its going to happen and avoidign it was pointless, it just made me feel all backed up, so i jsut let it have its way with me, and i would get graphic, i mean graphic and specific scenes of like paraskeltic, draggon, alien like fuckers all around that clsoe in on me and when they seem to merge with me, is when it releases, and agin, still a tangiblel pressur like i have to vomit energy out, goes up my spine, out my head, or thrid eye, and sometimes it feels again, like i am one with the cosmos, god, the divine, what ever you wish to call it, i dont even know what to call it.  Should i stop tripping, is it speeding this up too fast?  Well i have gone and done it, i sounded like a maniac, hopefully some people will knwo what im sayin, thanks for everyones concern.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: slickvic]
    #9583155 - 01/10/09 01:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ooh, someone asked why do this?  Well changes definatley have occured in my thinking, perception, and intuition.  I feel super intuitive, well way more than i used to be, I feel like i have tapped into my own evolutionary and aiencint instinct or something.  I also feel more alienated, i realize how different i am from all of my friends, my priorities have changed and i have this inner obligation to be super honest all the time, and also loook at myself honestly, to never live in denial.I belive that this path will be rocky but fruitfull, but i can see how it could drive people crazy, and why it is recomended not to do this unless educated on the topic or have a guide.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9583232 - 01/10/09 01:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh great!, thanks, the first time was last summer, june i believe




The super-sensitive period for me lasted about a month. I've read about a guy from India who had the experience and it lasted 10 years. His condition was such that he needed help with life's basics, and was lucky enough to have a wife that stuck with him.

I do not know what makes the difference, but your experience sounds closer to mine. It will eventually settle down, though I have no idea what kind of time frame we're talking. In any case, it's a good thing. You got what you wanted :yesnod: and now you just need a slight change of direction.

You no longer need to worry about invoking kundalini. You're "good" there. My suggestion would be to focus on learning to be calm and grounded and "heart centered". Your intentions were focused on your third eye, now perhaps would be a good time to turn your attention to your heart. Whenever that energy arises spontaneously, it's going to do what it's going to do, but if you can begin to direct your meditative practice towards your heart, you will be in better shape.

There is another source of energy which comes down from above, and it too can dwell in your heart. If there is a proper Sanskrit name for it, I would be curious to know, as I do not, but I call it humility and compassion/appreciation. It might sound iffy, but if you can see your heart as the center (3 chakras below, 3 chakras above) it makes sense to find a way to balance the kundalini. In the chart below you can see how humility is a masculine energy which descends into the heart, and compassion/appreciation is a feminine energy which descends into the heart.



Kundalini has a raw primal feel, and as such the invocation of it is based upon feeling the desire of it. With humility and appreciation there is not so much a "pushing" as it is simply a consideration. Instead of making it an "energy work", just ask yourself, how does it feel to be humble? How does it feel to be appreciative? To have compassion?

The ego thinks the center is the head. When a person dwells in their ego, they disappear into the head. Dwell into your heart, and you become the world.

There is the notion that this will be counterproductive. This is simply more ego, more disappearing into the head. The ego does this because it cannot coexist with an open heart. The heart dissolves the ego, or the ego dissolves the love. You must choose. And this is not a one time choice, it is a constant choice. It may seem like a bit much, but A- it will allow you to work with your "condition" and B- it will get easier as time goes by.

Another way of putting it, dwell in your heart, and when your heart becomes strong, all your chakras will be open and balanced. Dwell on your third eye, and you will have only your third eye, and all your desires to cause you pain. Going by this, you can see that the purpose of humility and compassion is not to "open" the third eye. That energy simply moves through that location on it's way to the heart. An open third eye is simply an effect of an open heart.

It seems you're taking things rather well, and that's a good sign. There is no "easy way out", yet it's only the ego/mind that wants out.

As far as tripping, whether you decide to continue going there is up to you. I took a 6 month break after my kundalini experience. I still do them occasionally, but it doesn't serve the same purpose any more. There are egoic ideas/karma floating around, and a trip can serve to bring them up so they can be seen more clearly, but you should decide for yourself the worth in this activity, and whether it's good for you. I cannot tell you either way, but I will mention that my experience doesn't seem as strong as yours, so don't use my example as a map.

I can tell you that if you move your focus to your heart, your guitar playing will greatly improve, and your wife will begin to look at you with new eyes, as will others. You have only to be humble, and appreciate things just as they are now.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Rahz]
    #9583706 - 01/10/09 02:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Rahz, Thank You! that was very helpful,I appreciate you taking the time to write all that for me, i hardly focus on my heart chakra at all, i think that it will do me good like you said, thanks again man.


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: slickvic]
    #9586532 - 01/10/09 10:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's good to see that you are willing to find out. That is all you need. :smile:


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Re: Kundalini help [Re: Rahz]
    #9606476 - 01/14/09 07:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

To deal with this phenomenon of pulsing energy I learned to make it part of my daily worship
"Oh Mother who is the energy of the universe
treat me kindly, etc"  That sort of thing.

Actually I do sadhanas which were taught to me by legit gurus who I had the good fortune of meeting. I suggest the same to you. No Maynard, no off the street crazies. Legit gurus. Try Dzogchen masters. They seem to be okay at this sort of stuff.


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