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How can people trust their government?
    #9570554 - 01/08/09 12:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

After governments like mine has lied all the time and even admits to botching a cover up?  Are people really that dumb to keep consuming all of this trash being handed down through major media outlets?  After things like MKULTRA and the Gulf of Tonkin incident people still believe what they are being told.  I understand that social conditioning has led for us to act this way, but there is a limit and a moment of realization that i had many years ago.  However some people never get that realization, they continue to walk through life blindfolded looking for the next shiny object of fresh stack of jacksons they can get their hands on.  And the concept of making and spending money is supposed to make us happy?  Is propaganda that powerful?  Or are people just dumb? or both?


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9570607 - 01/08/09 12:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There's different levels to answering your question. One level is that, as you yourself once didn't know what you do now, so it is for others who have yet to get it.
Then another level is the propaganda going on with the media that is becoming very sophisticated. many people now have these fukin great plasma TVs beaming all this matrix into their homes with about 1000 channels 'programs' of shit designed to act like bread and circuses. To keep the mind compartmentalized. Not looking and feeling what is going on. Why they got 'Police car chases', the porno channel, etc etc etc

Then there's the level where this global elite are doing occultist spells on people

Then thers school college, uni.

peer pressure, and last but most defo not least, the PHARMACRATIC-PSYCHIATRIST matrix. This is the central myth, and how they make sure they keep their matrix going, by caliming you are mentally ill if you question it, or even show 'unknown' distress because of it!

So what the solution? I say it is exploring all this. So that we are knwing what is going on. Some people when told aboutthis will usually say stuff like 'conspiracy theorist' 'tin foil hat' 'your crazy' etc tc. This is typical conformity, and is designed to stop people thinking for themselves. Some people think whats the POINT of looking into this because 'what can you do?' Well, you can stop living a lie is what we can do, and FEEL

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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9570616 - 01/08/09 12:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it is very ridiculous that people have so much faith in the government. They actually believe that the government cares about them. To them we are just pawns in a struggle for world dominance. One of the government's main priorities is to bribe people into joining the military to kill people while risking their own lives. People also think that anything illegal must be really bad for them. Tobacco is the number one killer in the United States. Alcohol related incidents kill more people than every illicit drug combined. You can actually die from alcohol withdrawal. These two substances are perfectly legal and accepted. It's legal to prescribe amphetamines to kids for a medical condition that hasn't been proven to actually exist. The only reason LSD became illegal was because people were taking it and seeing how evil and corrupt our system is so it jeopardized the governments authority over the people.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #9570629 - 01/08/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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To them we are just pawns in a struggle for world dominance.




Substantiation?

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The only reason LSD became illegal was because people were taking it and seeing how evil and corrupt our system is so it jeopardized the governments authority over the people.




Substantiation?


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9570677 - 01/08/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:nonono: This is common sense based on the accumulated knowledge I have acquired over the years. Notice we are in the philosophy forum, substantiation is not a requirement.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9570680 - 01/08/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Government is an institution composed of people, and it is as trustworthy as we make it.  The real issue is government transparency.  Usually there is greater outcry for government transparency after some big event shakes people's trust in their government.  We had such an outcry after Watergate, and there's a similar sentiment now after 8 years of the Bush administration.  So America elected someone who's promising greater openness and transparency, and he seems to already bringing that about in his transition to power.  It's foolish to think the people in power are always being honest with you, but I think it's equally foolish to think they're always out to get you.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #9570683 - 01/08/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Notice we are in the philosophy forum, substantiation is not a requirement.



:lol:  Do you know anything about philosophy?


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #9570716 - 01/08/09 12:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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:nonono: This is common sense based on the accumulated knowledge I have acquired over the years.




Common sense can be very different for different persons, because it is something subjective.
Your personal impression doesn't mean anything in a debate without any substantiation.

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Notice we are in the philosophy forum, substantiation is not a requirement.




Notice that this is also a debate forum. Perhaps you need to read the rules of the board fist, before posting.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9570718 - 01/08/09 12:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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but I think it's equally foolish to think they're always out to get you.




I don't think they are "out to get me" i just feel as if im am being showed a whole bunch of bullshit like job opprotunity and money, and that it will make me happy.  My father is a physician and my uncle is a large cement manufacturer that lives in a big mansion on long island.  I have had money all my life, i never needed to look, it was just there.  And i can tell you that having money is THE biggest bullshit, it is 100% a false value IMO.  Then when i go out into the world of the citizens instead of the humans (work, store ect ect.) everything is about money.  We are ALL working our asses off for some pieces of paper that don't even make me happy.  I can't even imagine what not having money is like.  Thats when i made this thread, its fucking scary that even through all of this unhappyness that people endure in a western society we all keep lining up at the troughs ready to go to work.  Why do people keep being unhappy and fueling a system that is designed to keep you from changing the status quo?  And not only do people fuel it, they embrace it!  It boggles my mind that people have that much trust in institutions:shrug:  And at the root of all the institutions is the gov't.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9570761 - 01/08/09 12:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If I raised a kid and told them every day that at night there were killer apemen who would eat them if they left alone, and that child never heard a contrasting view, could you blame them for being scared of the apemen?

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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9570764 - 01/08/09 12:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

MKULTRA needs to be talked about more often.

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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #9570794 - 01/08/09 12:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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MKULTRA needs to be talked about more often.



Yeah it does, they were looking for biological agents to control human cognitive thought!  And these are the same people that care about "joe the plumber" I would like to laugh about this, but its just downright scary.  Who knows what they (gov't) are doing now a days with technology.  Its prolly far superior than any of us can even imagine.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9570812 - 01/08/09 01:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure how this conversation turned to money, but I find it interesting how you say that money is bullshit, and that you've had it all your life.  Try living without it(or not enough of it) and get back to me.  Try being in a situation where you worry how you're going to pay your rent and utilities and tell me that money is bullshit.  Oh sure, my parents have plenty of money, and when worse comes to worst, they're always there to bail me out, after first lecturing me about the importance of thrift.  But the embarrassment of having to turn to them, cup in hand, and ask for a handout is enough to help me appreciate the value of having money of your own.  Try living on your own for a while and see how far this "having money is bullshit" philosophy takes you.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9570843 - 01/08/09 01:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not sure how this conversation turned to money, but I find it interesting how you say that money is bullshit, and that you've had it all your life.  Try living without it(or not enough of it) and get back to me.  Try being in a situation where you worry how you're going to pay your rent and utilities and tell me that money is bullshit.  Oh sure, my parents have plenty of money, and when worse comes to worst, they're always there to bail me out, after first lecturing me about the importance of thrift.  But the embarrassment of having to turn to them, cup in hand, and ask for a handout is enough to help me appreciate the value of having money of your own.  Try living on your own for a while and see how far this "having money is bullshit" philosophy takes you.



This turned into money because money fuels nearly all intentions of doing anything in my society.  And this idea was handed down by the government.  I didn't mean to offend you about having money you must have missed this quote in my post
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I can't even imagine what not having money is like.



What my intentions were to say is even having what the government wants you to have "the american dream" aka money, doesn't provide happiness.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9570859 - 01/08/09 01:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

And im not saying a lay around a palace and have women fan me with large leaves.  I share a 12X9 room with some guy from El Paso, i work my ass off too.  I'm just saying i have had money all my life, and its not as nice as you would think.  Ever hear of the saying "more money, more problems?"  Its pretty damn true.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9570897 - 01/08/09 01:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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What my intentions were to say is even having what the government wants you to have "the american dream" aka money, doesn't provide happiness.



Is the government the source of this vision, or merely the perpetrator of it?  I find governments, particularly democratically elected ones, to be reflection of the society that elects them.

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Ever hear of the saying "more money, more problems?"  Its pretty damn true.



How about you give me some money and I'll tell you if it makes me happier?


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9570981 - 01/08/09 01:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Is the government the source of this vision, or merely the perpetrator of it?  I find governments, particularly democratically elected ones, to be reflection of the society that elects them.



I personally find  that governments to be a way to control masses of people, and when they (people who make decisions in a government) find a way to manipulate peoples opinions in order to further themselves in society, they try to keep the system in status quo.  This is the reason for war.  This is the reason why the US keeps making and joining wars.  Because for a country at war, war is the most important thing, not a revolution.  War not only makes money it more importantly keeps the status quo.


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How about you give me some money and I'll tell you if it makes me happier?



I myself am not rich, if you want proof of this write a letter to dave chappelle who found that more money = more problems.  Or many lotto winners who have pissed their lives away with the money they got.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9571066 - 01/08/09 01:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I personally find  that governments to be a way to control masses of people, and when they (people who make decisions in a government) find a way to manipulate peoples opinions in order to further themselves in society, they try to keep the system in status quo.  This is the reason for war.  This is the reason why the US keeps making and joining wars.  Because for a country at war, war is the most important thing, not a revolution.  War not only makes money it more importantly keeps the status quo.



I'll grant that propaganda is certainly a problem.  But for the source of the problem, I think you have to look beyond government to the elite who exert great influence on both government and media.  I'm not talking about some vast secret Illuminati conspiracy, but merely the rather open conspiracy of wealthy individuals buying influence over the public.

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I myself am not rich, if you want proof of this write a letter to dave chappelle who found that more money = more problems.  Or many lotto winners who have pissed their lives away with the money they got.



In Chappelle's case, it was fame, not money, which caused him problems.  I don't think money should be an absolute goal.  Part of happiness is knowing how much is enough.  I don't think I'd be much happier making $1 million a year than I would making $100,000, but when you make less than $30,000, then that $100,000 sure sounds good.  I don't need a mansion and a yacht, but I'd definitely prefer a nice, decent-sized house over my small one-bedroom apartment.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9571095 - 01/08/09 01:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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In Chappelle's case, it was fame, not money, which caused him problems.  I don't think money should be an absolute goal.  Part of happiness is knowing how much is enough.  I don't think I'd be much happier making $1 million a year than I would making $100,000, but when you make less than $30,000, then that $100,000 sure sounds good.  I don't need a mansion and a yacht, but I'd definitely prefer a nice, decent-sized house over my small one-bedroom apartment.




In a society where suplus of money is valued, fame comes with the money my friend.  I understand where your coming from and that you would like to have that 100K.  And im sure that would be nice, all im getting at is the value that people place on money in my society is over valued.  And im not getting into the illuminati i think a lot of that has some flaws of logic in it.  But the entire design of my system is to keep you from changing everything, its right there in front of people!  They just don't see the big picture.  There is more than work spend work spend.


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Re: How can people trust their government? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9571144 - 01/08/09 02:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it is accurate to say that money create problems, since money are merely tools that people use in order to get what they want/need.
Wouldn't it be more suitable to say that some people seem to be exhibiting poor thinking regarding money? Wouldn't it also be more appropriate to say that the same people seem to be lacking reason on so many other aspects of their lives?
Who's really responsible for the mess in their lives then? The money or the individuals themselves?


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