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Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users.
    #9570158 - 01/08/09 01:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Proposed state med pot rules rile users
1/6/09 | The Detroit News | Gary Heinlein


LANSING -- State officials are proposing overly
restrictive rules that would undo the intent of
compassionate medical marijuana law that voters approved
in November
, backers of the new measure claim.

At a hearing Monday on proposed rules to govern medical
marijuana use, supporters especially objected to
requirements that patients and caregivers keep
inventories of the marijuana grown for medical use.


Some said a tentative rule against public use could mean
patients would face prosecution for smoking pot on their
front porches, or in their living rooms with the drapes
open.

Others said proposed security requirements for medical
marijuana would mean the state is putting tighter
restrictions on pot than on more dangerous prescription
drugs, such as the pain reliever OxyContin that patients
routinely keep in their medicine cabinets
.

"It seems to me you are attempting an end-run of what the
people wanted and voted for," said Ken Shapiro of East
Lansing, who uses marijuana for metastatic melanoma that,
he said, has afflicted him for 31 years.

Shapiro said he has been through radiation, chemotherapy
and more than 50 surgeries for the spreading cancer.


"Marijuana helped me get through it," he said. "It should
be taken for granted that seriously ill people are not
dealing drugs."

While the new medical marijuana law technically is in
effect now, the state health department is drafting rules
to govern its use. Department officials, who want to
finalize the rules by April 4, held Monday's hearing to
give voice to those who'd be affected.

The new law allows patients with cancer, HIV, AIDS,
glaucoma and other diseases to use marijuana to relieve
symptoms on a doctor's recommendation.

Under the proposed rules, those qualified to grow and use
marijuana would have to register yearly and be issued
registration cards that could be revoked for criminal use
or sales. Registered medical producers could supply no
more than five patients each, and possess no more than 12
mature plants and 2.5 ounces of marijuana per patient.
The plants and packets of drug would have to be kept in
enclosed, locked facilities.

A potential producer said the health department's
proposed disclosure and paperwork requirements would
create a paper trail that could expose him to federal
prosecution.

Under federal law, any marijuana
use or sale remains a crime.

"I won't follow the rules as they are now; I'll just keep
growing marijuana as I have been," said Tom Higgins of
Bay City, who said he cultivates marijuana and uses it
because he believes it has kept him from dying of
hepatitis.

Karen O'Keefe, state policies director for the
Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy project, said 12
other medical marijuana states don't require restrictions
like those proposed for Michigan.


Voters approved appropriate safeguards "without requiring
self-incrimination or making life overly difficult for
the seriously ill patients whom 63 percent
of Michigan voters chose to allow to use medical
marijuana without
fearing arrest," she said.

Desmond Mitchell, a State Bureau of Health Professions
policy analyst who conducted the hearing, said
officials "will review everything and take a look at what
revisions need to be made" in the proposed rules.


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Marijuana Has Never Killed A Single
Human Bieng In The History of Man!


We Have body Parts Meant to Take in Cannabinoids!!!

These are Our CB1 and CB2 Cannabinoid Receptors
and they help Regulate many important body functions
using naturally occuring cannabinoids present
such "arachidonoylethanolamide" (also known as
anandamide) Which govern many vital bodily functions
including:

* appetite * bone density * mood regulation *
reproduction * blood pressure * Learning capacity *
motor coordination ...

Marijuana is Distinguished From most other currently
illicit drugs by the locations of its brain-receptor
sites (cb1/cb2 cannabinoid receptors) for two
predominant reasons:

(1) The Lack of receptors in the medulla significantly
reduces the possibility of accidental, or even
deliberate, death from THC,

~ and ~

(2) the lack of receptors in the mesocorticolimbic
pathways significantly reduces the risks of addiction
and serious physical dependence.

Spanish researchers, led by Dr. Manuel Guzman of
Complutense University- irrigated healthy rats' brains
with large doses of THC for seven days, to test for
harmful biochemical or neurological effects. They found
none.

Also - There Has Also Never Been Cannabis - Cancer Link -
Just Propoganda and Misinformation Meant To Push The
Public Away From Cannabis and More Towards Their
Products/Services

(Tobacco/Pharmacueticals/Alcohol/Cotton/Paper/etc)

In Reality - Cannabis Research Promises More Towards a
Cancer Cure More So Towards a Cancer cuasing Agent -
There ARE Carcinogens in MArijuana. HOWEVER -They are ALL
Deactivated and Stalled Due to The Fact Marijuana Bears
Psychoactive + Protective THC (the main ingredient in pot
with prooven anti-cancer characteristics - it kills
cancerous/mutated/dead or dying/aged cells and kills them
leaving HEALTHY cells and tissue intact. disabling all
carcinogens in the smoke/vapor -


Its Illegal for All The Wrong Reasons and Was NEVER About
Stopping People From Using Drugs, It Was Created By and
Is Kept Running By GREED, LIES,and RACISM - Anyone
Supporting its Prohibition Is Also Supporting The Lies
That Goes Into Keeping It Going - Regardless of If They
Know This or If This Is Their Intent.


Prohibition Cant Work Becuase Unless They Somehow
Convince %100.00 Percent Of The Population They Dont Want
To Buy Drugs Hindering 100 PERCENT OF THE DEMAND
ALTOGETHER (which is impossible) People Will Still Buy
Drugs ~ And If They Want It - It Will Come.

EVEN WITH ALL THE ENFORMENT IN THE WORLD
THEY CANT STOP THE FLOW OF DRUGS.

EVEN IF THEY DID - AND WON THE WAR ON DRUGS.
THEY WOULD ALL BE OUT OF THE JOB.

They Know This- They are winning as long
as they control you & your money

It Is For this Reason - It Must Be Legalized.
Regardless Of Sciencetific Study - NO DEATHS
Have Resulted Becuase Of It And Any Addiction Is
Psycological - not PHYSICAL (like gambling).
Its OBVIOUSLY SAFER THAN ALCOHOL & TOBACCO.

Legalize! Tell Your Everyone You Know The Truth And If
You Still Don't believe This is The Truth - Do Your
Own Research.


Be Well!

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"Common over-the-counter painkillers such as
aspirin kill around 20,000 Americans every
year, and another 100,000 end up in hospital
as a result of taking the drug."

- Proceedings of the Annual Scientific
Meeting of the American College
of Gastroenterology.
  [October 15, 2007.]


Edited by Ganjika (01/08/09 04:02 PM)


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: Ganjika]
    #9570287 - 01/08/09 01:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lol thats a terrible pic


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: Coaster]
    #9570725 - 01/08/09 02:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thats fuckin awesome, I hope it starts spreading faster and faster.  And i doubt if its legal for med. use cops will even bother writing up a ticket to somone smoking with there blinds open.  They already said they weren't even going to bother writing people tickets on friday when it was decriminalized, so nothin to really worry about.

I think your changing some facts around.  I mean i agree that nobody has died from smoking it, but you can't tell me some 16 year old kid hasnt gotten reallly high his first few times smoking and crashed a car.  If nobody has ever died because they were high im sure id have heard that fact before now. I think the numbers deffinetly miniscule compared to alcohol and tobbacco deaths, but still not one?

And I don't get what you said about it being impossable to be physically addicted to like gambling?  Are you saying that theres nothing addictive in bud, unlike gambling?  Do casino's give you a few cc's of nicotine at the door so you keep coming back?


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: mudkip]
    #9570845 - 01/08/09 03:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

gambling is like marijuana --- you cannot be physically addicted to it, its a psychological addiction. thats how i interpreted it. the wording is terrible.


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: mudkip]
    #9570964 - 01/08/09 03:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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mudkip said:
Thats fuckin awesome, I hope it starts spreading faster and faster.  And i doubt if its legal for med. use cops will even bother writing up a ticket to somone smoking with there blinds open.  They already said they weren't even going to bother writing people tickets on friday when it was decriminalized, so nothin to really worry about.




They never decriminalized Marijuana possesion in Michigan.

- Not So Sure Whats So 'Awesome'
About More Restrictions On
Peoples Medicine.


Quote:

mudkip said:
I think your changing some facts around.  I mean i agree that nobody has died from smoking it, but you can't tell me some 16 year old kid hasnt gotten reallly high his first few times smoking and crashed a car.





That's not dieing from smoking marijuana - thats dying becuase one is stupid enough to consume an intoxicating substance and to get behind the wheel (something Thats dangerous and contains enough risk as it is SOBER) - people have done the same with over the counter medications - prescription pills and more - does this mean we outlaw them to??? no! becuase for one they are big bui$ne$$ and for two - outlawing things doesnt make the problem go away - it makes it go underground and creates crime and violence, not to mention spikes prices notoriously - creating a black amrket. in marijuana's case - we should put age limits on it - regulate it - place quality controls and standards for it and make sure no cross contamination occurs - just like anything else on the open market today. Take the money from organized crime and even from corrupt organizations (CIA has been caught many times shipping cocaine into the country in planes) -

we don't arrest people whom drink until they do something stupid - hurt someo One or drive - thats when we step in - and thats how it should be.

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mudkip said:
If nobody has ever died because they were high im sure id have heard that fact before now.




LoL - seriously - NO ONE has EVER died
from Marijuana - It doesn't happen -



Tobacco: 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity: 365,000
Alcohol: 85,000
Microbial Agents: 75,000
Toxic Agents: 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes: 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs: 32,000
Suicide: 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms: 29,000
Homicide: 20,308
Sexual Behaviors: 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Including Aspirin : 7,600

Marijuana: 0


"An exhaustive search of the literature finds no credible reports of deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death."

Source: National Academy Press, 1999), available on the web at http://www.nap.edu/html/marimed/; and US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 57.

(its important to note that the reason marijuana is found in so many car related fatalitys is becuase it sticks around in the body for as long as 3-4 weeks - if you were 100 percent sober and hit some one or died in a car crash and they tested your blood or urine and found marijuana metabolites in it - they would make you another statistic of some one who died in a "marijuana related" accident, even if you haven't smoked for a week - if its in you'r urine or blood - your considered "impared". impared and intoxicated areant always one in the same.


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mudkip said:
the wording is terrible.




then go and rewrite it into a more legible form and spread the truth - if you have already, currently are or will soon - awesomeness! - the more people we have spreading the truth to the misinformed masses - the better chance we have at keeping their lies from keeping us in this stag nation we called "prohibition" - Wwe areant getting anywhere, think of all the scientific progress that we could have made since 1937 that we missed out on or only got limited glimpses at - spread truth, friend!
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Also - for the record - when some one has an addiction -  that person is sick, after a certain point of becoming truly addicted to something - they are no longer recreational user's - if they don't use - they will get sick and could possibly DIE from withdrawl, therefor they are not using out of recreation but because they have to - it is an illness. Marijuana is not Like this, people can quit without having physical withdraws, addiction to marijuana is similar to "addiction" to television, sex, porno, computers, shopping, Food, etc - its all in the person.


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: Ganjika]
    #9571520 - 01/08/09 05:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Man 50 surgery's that is intense.........well surely if people such as lawmakers are against it then nothing will change their mind.

I would keep my blinds closed, just because of people looking at things weirdly and not wanting to be a sideshow.........but damn, in 50 or 100 years people might look back and say wow; they were really conservative back then.


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9572097 - 01/08/09 06:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Just because we have receptors for it, that doesn't mean we are "meant" to take them. But it is true, as a substance it is benign.

Tree moss: Read the article in my sig, "the post-prohibition world". People won't just think we were conservative, they will think we were dumbasses.


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: Green_T]
    #9572179 - 01/08/09 07:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well, they would think we are smart and they are dumbass's....I sure look back that way at the times when booze was a no no but found in the White House.......probably find cocaine in there quite regularly these days...well, at least till bush leaves.

One of the things that makes someone elite is being able to keep crimes secret..........not that they actually fit the image they impose on others.....in fact quite never that (maybe Reagen but who cares).


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9572491 - 01/08/09 07:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i wonder what kind of weed will be available, my aunt is getting MMJ for her cancer


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: Green_T]
    #9572867 - 01/08/09 09:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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green_titan said:
Just because we have receptors for it, that doesn't mean we are "meant" to take them. But it is true, as a substance it is benign.

Tree moss: Read the article in my sig, "the post-prohibition world". People won't just think we were conservative, they will think we were dumbasses.




I can't quite say how we can truely define somethings purpose or what its "meant" to do , or if one is "meant" to do something, if something is "meant" to consume another form of life - maybe we are, do you know? I don't think we can ever really get a complete answer - are we "meant" to consume apples? the universe is so infinite in all ways  - am I "meant" to grow pp and be something and just that one thing - its almost like destiny - a toothbrush (for example) can be used in more than 1 way - just like anything else - a stick can be a tool - or you can build a house out of it - theres infinite possibilitys, its more than meets the eye - one of the reasons marijuana has THC in it is to protect it from insects, a type of 'insecticide', tet it has these wonderous effects in humans, not to mention resemble naturally occuring brain chemicals - this complexity goes on forever and ever in both ways - there is no 'one' job or reason or meaning for anything and everything contains infinite complexity upon all Levels in every way - and its all connected - its all subjective.

Science shows that your body likes Plant Cannabinoids just as much (Possibly more) - than its own - but it's a valid point - but at the same time - (like everything) its purely subjective - how do you know us [or our ancestor(s)] and this plant didn't co-exist/evolve together? - maybe....


either way - its a beneficial plant in this case and deserves our respect - consumption (and consequent THC intake into the receptor sites, "intended" or not) - is simply nature taking its course (Life Consumes Life) and since everyone that consumes that plant doesn't die but actually shows benefits in some way shape or form - we can use this plant for the good of man-kind.

Marijuana is pretty damn safe - in fact - im willing to bet if you sat some one down with a pipe and infinite marijuana and some one with a giant cool aid pitcher of water and you had the first person chug water non stop w/ infinite refills (not to the point of drowning or choking on it, but like drinking as fast as you can) - and the second person smoking weed non stop- youd see the person chugging water drop dead first. - i heard of a woman on the news not to long ago that died because she had a contest with a friend to see who could drink the most water and one of them actually ended up DYING. they say the amount of weed needed to be SMOKED to die from it is pretty insane - therefor it seems to me like the woman who drank herself to death on water did so with an amount of water that didnt take very long to drink - if it took to long she would simply pass it out as urine/sweat/etc, as it came in - she would have to chug it. - but Does this make Water more "dangerous" than Marijuana???? how many people has water killed? how many people has marijuana killed? aha! the tables are turned! Does water NEED to be illegal? - actually no - its not only stupid but wrong - have a nice day everyone! -

marijuana tho is a lot better than alcohol. (safer even) -Definetly Has some protective benefit.

Thanks for sharing that point, Green_Titan! -


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: Ganjika]
    #9575344 - 01/09/09 04:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

To the op...

You have one fact wrong with marijuana. It prevents cellular apoptosis. However, it still prevents cancer from forming, I don't remember how it does this but it just has to do with the individual cannabinoids. A research doctor from ucla spoke on this subject. Something about mjs effect on the macrophages in your lungs makes you highly unlikely to develop lung cancer. However, if you used heavy amounts of marijuana per day for an extended period of time your risk of lung cancer increased only slightly. I believe you would have to smoke something like ten or more joints for about twenty or more years to increase your risk by two times a normal individuals risk. Needless to say, I don't think anyone smokes this much pot at all, so essentially pot does not lead to lung cancer. I think the lung cancer risk probably comes from the cigarette papers themselves though and not marijuana, because I don't believe marijuana contains any radioactive elements, which are present in tobacco cigarettes and the primary cause for lung cancer in cigarette smokers. Specifically polonium and lead I believe are present in cigarettes. Marijuana has minimal carcinogens. It contains toxins, sure, but these are readily dealt with and filtered out by the capillaries, and like the op said, which is true, most of them aren't in their active form.

And to the water argument...that's a really lame argument. Water, as we all know, is essential to survival. Everyone is made of about 70% water. If we were to make water illegal, everyone would have to go to prison. Last time I checked, getting high isn't essential to survival. I could only see this as the case for people with aids wasting syndrome or nausea from chemotherapy treatment, then weed usage becomes practically vital for a lot of people. As for overdosing on water, its not about making your body explode from the massive intake of water at once, that's not how it kills a person. Drinking large quantities of water without anything else will cause your body to shed itself of necessary electrolytes, namely potassium, which is used in your body to maintain muscular control. When your potassium levels drop too low from water toxicity, your muscles either spasm or become rigid or both, your heart included, which will stop beating if not enough potassium is present to keep it in check. So drinking a lot of water and then peeing it out doesn't mean you avoided death. If you continue to drink only water without any food or whatnot, your body loses all those electrolytes and shuts down.

I think the argument about alcohol and cigarettes being legal is a much more effective argument. They are proven to be worse than marijuana on a wide variety of levels, yet they remain legal. But if our government were to follow a policy of non hypocrisy and make them illegal, it would be extremely detrimental to our economy, which is already in bad shape. The more logical sense is to legalize marijuana, since it would be the least dangerous substance between it, tobacco, and alcohol if it.joined the ranks of legality, not to mention it could create thousands of new jobs and create another multi billion dollar business right here in the united states. Unfortunately, I think our government is too dumb to realize this fact.

What's also really interesting about cigarettes, is that the addictive drug in them, nicotine, is highly toxic and deadly in its pure form. Just a drop or two under your tongue of pure nicotine can throw off your pulse. Meanwhile, the drug present in marijuana, thc, is not physically addictive and in its pure form, you would need to consume 800mg per kg of body weight, or 35.5mg per kilogram of body weight if heated up and shot intravenously. This is according to my copy of The Merck Index, 14th Edition, page 1524: 9209. Tetrahydrocannabinol.

And I looked up nicotine anyway out of curiosity. Just 0.3mg per kg of body weight intravenously is enough to kill a person. So if you weigh 85kg or about 180lbs, you would only need a dose of like 28mg of nicotine to kill you in a syringe, versus like 3200mg of pure thc to kill you shot intravenously. Essentially, its safer to shoot up heroin. Way safer. So if you think about needing to shoot up almost 3200mg of pure thc in one second to trigger a death, and the most chronic weed you can find is like 25% thc by weight, you would have to smoke a ridiculous amount of marijuana instantly, assuming it all absorbed into your lungs. Imagine taking a single waterfall hit of an entire ounce of og kush. Of course, we know this to be impossible to accomplish, as your lungs simply could not tolerate that thick of smoke in them at all. You would cough before you coil inhale like a 50th of the smoke. Therefore, it is impossible to overdose on marijuana. I must add that thc is only in its active form in the body for an hour or so before it becomes stored in the day cells so smoking an ounce over the course of a day would obviously not kill you either. It would have to be like 4 ounces or more of the dankest weed for one person in about 15 minutes time. And we also know this isn't possible, and you'd have a 100% chance of falling asleep before you even got near completing the task, assuming you think you could smoke a quarter pound blunt all to yourself in 15 minutes.


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: Ganjika]
    #9575479 - 01/09/09 05:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Also, if anyone wants the calculation, a 180lb man would have to consume 9 and a half oz of 25%thc marijuana in food to risk killing themselves. I think that be about the grossest meal imaginable though. Cooking more than a certain amount of weed in food and its just not tasty in my opinion. I don't know anyone who would ever eat that much weed...what a waste, you could just smoke it and get stoned 1000times off it at least. 9 ounces with my tolerance and rate of smoking would last me years. Like...6 or 7 years for me rofl.


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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9576695 - 01/09/09 02:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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tyler_0_durden said:
To the op...

You have one fact wrong with marijuana. It prevents cellular apoptosis.




In non defunct., healthy, normal cells - research shows that cannabis attacks and cuts of blood supply to cells that are mutated, cancerous, damaged, aged or weak - leaving healthy cells perfectly fine.
(even making them healthier in the process.)


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However, it still prevents cancer from forming, I don't remember how it does this but it just has to do with the individual cannabinoids. A research doctor from ucla spoke on this subject. Something about mjs effect on the macrophages in your lungs makes you highly unlikely to develop lung cancer.






Its not just lung cancer it gets rid of - what about all the people killing cancer in places other then their lungs with cannabinoids? cannabinoids in general fight cancer - the government has somehow PATENTED these uses. each ingredient in marijuana is important and maybe have uses all of their own.



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However, if you used heavy amounts of marijuana per day for an extended period of time your risk of lung cancer increased only slightly. I believe you would have to smoke something like ten or more joints for about twenty or more years to increase your risk by two times a normal individuals risk

. Needless to say, I don't think anyone smokes this much pot at all, so essentially pot does not lead to lung cancer. I think the lung cancer risk probably comes from the cigarette papers themselves though and not marijuana, because I don't believe marijuana contains any radioactive elements, which are present in tobacco cigarettes and the primary cause for lung cancer in cigarette smokers. Specifically polonium and lead I believe are present in cigarettes.





I believe the cigerette paper theory could be one factor - especially people smoking blunt wraps from tobacco.


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Marijuana has minimal carcinogens. It contains toxins, sure, but these are readily dealt with and filtered out by the capillaries, and like the op said, which is true, most of them aren't in their active form.





Actually - Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers. - (According to  researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLAs David Geffen School of Medicine) -  we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.

Studies suggest that marijuana smoke contains 50  percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer than cigarette smoke. Marijuana smokers also tend to inhale deeper than cigarette smokers and hold the inhaled smoke in their lungs longer.

So why isnt smoking marijuana as dangerous as smoking cigarettes in terms of cancer risk???????????

experts say it might have something to do with tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which is a chemical found in marijuana smoke.

Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors" According To Tashkin.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

The nicotine in tobacco has been shown to inhibit the destruction of cancer-causing cells. THC does not appear to do this and may even do the opposite.



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Re: Michigan : Proposed Overly Restrictive State Med Pot Rules Riles Users. [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9576751 - 01/09/09 02:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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And to the water argument...that's a really lame argument. Water, as we all know, is essential to survival. Everyone is made of about 70% water. If we were to make water illegal, everyone would have to go to prison.

Last time I checked, getting high isn't essential to survival. I could only see this as the case for people with aids wasting syndrome or nausea from chemotherapy treatment, then weed usage becomes practically vital for a lot of people.





Define "essential" - in the short or long run?
How Can You Define Essential - Contact With Other Humans Is Essential - This Can Make Even That Better - Is the Development and Evolution and Progress of Our Species "Essential" In The Long Run?


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As for overdosing on water, its not about making your body explode from the massive intake of water at once, that's not how it kills a person. Drinking large quantities of water without anything else will cause your body to shed itself of necessary electrolytes, namely potassium, which is used in your body to maintain muscular control. When your potassium levels drop too low from water toxicity, your muscles either spasm or become rigid or both, your heart included, which will stop beating if not enough potassium is present to keep it in check. So drinking a lot of water and then peeing it out doesn't mean you avoided death. If you continue to drink only water without any food or whatnot, your body loses all those electrolytes and shuts down.





I Think You Missed the Point (as welll got too into it)-

What I Was Saying Is - NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM WEED - MORE PEOPLE DIE FROM WATER - But Even Prohibitionists Take Baths - If More People Die From Water Than Weed - We Should Outlaw Water (with that logic) but since its SKEWED Logic (not really meant to be for the betterment of mankind, just their pocketbook$ -) It Can't Actually Help The Situation, Outlawing Murder and Rape and shit Are Completely Different and are things that Should Be Illegal - Weed tho? How Can u Legislate Morality? Its Something that Doesn't Hurt Anyone (theres no victims) and Is Actually Benificial - If Not Physically - Spiritually.

Becuase Outlawing things doesnt fix the problem  - it just makes it worse, you would even have a black market for water - something completely avoidable, as well as rediculous considering its ALL over the planet including -
INSIDE US.

btw - when i was thinking about water killing people - was not only thinking about drinking oneself to death on it but also things like this -



When Was The Last Time a Body of Weed Did This????

-still tho - as we both seem to agree - making water illegal is still not only wrong but stupid - just like outlawing marijuana is - considering its not nearly as much in our life as water would be and yet of all the images of the tsunami - how many casualtys have we had since the beginning of this crazy war on weed????

Legalize!

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I think the argument about alcohol and cigarettes being legal is a much more effective argument. They are proven to be worse than marijuana on a wide variety of levels, yet they remain legal. But if our government were to follow a policy of non hypocrisy and make them illegal, it would be extremely detrimental to our economy, which is already in bad shape. The more logical sense is to legalize marijuana, since it would be the least dangerous substance between it, tobacco, and alcohol if it.joined the ranks of legality, not to mention it could create thousands of new jobs and create another multi billion dollar business right here in the united states. Unfortunately, I think our government is too dumb to realize this fact.





Yet The US Government Has a PATENT On Some of
The Medical Use's Of Marijuana?
(Such as US Patent 6630507)
(yea i dunno how either)

what about this? -
Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

They Know - Its Just NOT About Public Saftey.


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What's also really interesting about cigarettes, is that the addictive drug in them, nicotine, is highly toxic and deadly in its pure form. Just a drop or two under your tongue of pure nicotine can throw off your pulse.





from what i hear - it will do ALOT more than 'throw off' ones pulse - one drop of pure nicotine on a persons arm can KILL THEM.

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