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tyler_0_durden
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Hits of Sunshine]
#9591108 - 01/11/09 06:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmm...the very first time I bought LSD I was sold a DOx compound I think...it tasted vaguely like chemicals (it was squeezed into a small liquid breath mint vial, so maybe it was the minty aftertaste...I don't know). But the trip seemed to last about 8 hours or so and it didn't feel much like LSD, but it could've been some shitty bunk.
Every time I've purchased LSD since then, it's been tasteless, I've gotten profound visuals lasting 12 hours, peaking after 4 hours and starting to wane after 8 hours, and the come-up starts after about 20-30 minutes after a very weird anxious/spacey feeling. I guess they were LSD because it seemed so similar to LSD's effects, I would imagine I got the real deal those times.
But I haven't heard from my LSD guy for a long, long time. Oh well...maybe I've had my fun?
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Poiesis]
#9593304 - 01/12/09 04:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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average blotter will hold 500mics to 1 milligram. You going to get high off of 1 milligram of speed?
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Knifeplay]
#9593459 - 01/12/09 06:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, methamphetamine doses are similar to doses of DOxes and some 2Cs. If blotters are sold with those drugs then blotter must be able to hold enough so that those have an effect. Besides, how do you define average blotter and where did you get this number from? I think it is too low.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: pfxtc]
#9593535 - 01/12/09 06:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm roughly an hour north of the Palm Beach area in FL and i've only gotten DOX / 2C compounds here, it's very upsetting... i'm looking for some 'cid but have a rough time contacting a good group since it's all been RC's so far, no complaint but i'm still looking for a good 'cid, which I haven't had in some time.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Poiesis]
#9593544 - 01/12/09 06:57 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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no methamphetamine does not have the some dose as a dox, it won't fit onto a blotter
search posts here, there was a thread awhile back about how much a blotter could hold, and it was nowhere close to enough to hold meth
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: dutchmushroom]
#9593581 - 01/12/09 07:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You misread. A dose of methamphetamine is 5 - 15 mg. Doses of the DOxes and the more potent 2Cs are in the 1 - 20 mg range. Can you point to a specific thread? I searched and see nothing convincing.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Poiesis]
#9593841 - 01/12/09 08:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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DOx is ug range. 1mg is very strong
2c's start at 10mg-20mg.
BIG bloody difference... Please educate yourself on dosages of these drugs. If someone took 15mg of DOx, you'd most probably die!
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: C_T]
#9594443 - 01/12/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suppose I worded what I said poorly, so I will clarify. All I meant was that as a group, doses for these drugs range from 1 - 20 mg, not that this range applies to each substance. 2C-C was found on blotter and has a dose range of 20 - 40 mg. 2C-I is 14 - 22 mg, DOB 1 - 3 mg, DOC 1.5 - 3 mg, DOI 1.5 - 3 mg. The doses are from Shulgin's PIHKAL.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: LSDXM]
#9595003 - 01/12/09 01:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've done what I think was acid twice. My cousin has a lot of good hookups and I bought 4 tabs. We each did one together and then a friend and I did one together on Halloween. I was just curious about how to tell real acid. I recall my tabs having a slightly bitter taste, but the taste was very light and was gone almost immediately. I started feeling the effects about an hour later. It came on with a high that felt similar to LSA (I've done Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds a couple times prior). Both times I did it it came on that way and then I smoked. After smoking some herb, the effects always seemed to intensify. The visuals were at a minimum at both trips, my hallucinations were happening more with my sense of touch. The first time I watched Alice in Wonderland and during the scene where she is in the room filling with water I began to feel wet. There was one distinct feeling though I got each time, it felt as though I was an egg in a frying pan. My muscles felt like they were sizzling or vibrating or something. It didn't feel unpleasant, I just laid back and enjoyed it. The trip lasted about 6-8 hours and peaked at about 2-3. Everything did look weird though. We watched my asian room mate and his friend play video games, they looked hilarious. The checker pattern on my bed sheets also seemed like an endless sea... There were other trippy things, but in a nutshell that's about it. There was a lot of laughing and a lot of me being confused about what I was watching on TV, this weird anime called Paprika, trippy shit.
So does it sound like this was real acid or something else?
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Safety Dancer]
#9596810 - 01/12/09 06:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like real lsd to me buddy
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Safety Dancer]
#9603705 - 01/13/09 07:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Safety Dancer said: I've done what I think was acid twice. My cousin has a lot of good hookups and I bought 4 tabs. We each did one together and then a friend and I did one together on Halloween. I was just curious about how to tell real acid. I recall my tabs having a slightly bitter taste, but the taste was very light and was gone almost immediately. I started feeling the effects about an hour later. It came on with a high that felt similar to LSA (I've done Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds a couple times prior). Both times I did it it came on that way and then I smoked. After smoking some herb, the effects always seemed to intensify. The visuals were at a minimum at both trips, my hallucinations were happening more with my sense of touch. The first time I watched Alice in Wonderland and during the scene where she is in the room filling with water I began to feel wet. There was one distinct feeling though I got each time, it felt as though I was an egg in a frying pan. My muscles felt like they were sizzling or vibrating or something. It didn't feel unpleasant, I just laid back and enjoyed it. The trip lasted about 6-8 hours and peaked at about 2-3. Everything did look weird though. We watched my asian room mate and his friend play video games, they looked hilarious. The checker pattern on my bed sheets also seemed like an endless sea... There were other trippy things, but in a nutshell that's about it. There was a lot of laughing and a lot of me being confused about what I was watching on TV, this weird anime called Paprika, trippy shit.
So does it sound like this was real acid or something else?
On blotter I sometimes can't taste the slightly bitter taste but in liquid I always can. It's a sure sign of LSD. If I was you I would buy a test kit. Best choice a boy could make.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Knifeplay]
#9606378 - 01/14/09 06:05 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now here is a big contradiction I just found in conventional wisdom or common sense. There are others saying that a bitter taste is a sure sign that it is not LSD. I have read conflicting reports from other sources. Some say that LSD is tasteless and others say that LSD has a slightly bitter taste. I think one source was Albert Hofmann and I do not remember the other source. Taste cannot tell you what you have. Psilocin has a slightly bitter taste for example. Many of the 2-phenylethylamines are reported to be bitter.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Poiesis]
#9606930 - 01/14/09 09:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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^^read tihkal.
I find LSD to have a very unique taste. It's its own kind of bitter. I've never had pure psilocin to compare however.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Knifeplay]
#9607456 - 01/14/09 11:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is nothing in TIHKAL that says anything about the taste of LSD. Some sources say LSD is tasteless and others say it is slightly bitter.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Poiesis]
#9609259 - 01/14/09 04:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I doubt there is enough LSD impregnated in most blotters to even register with the taste buds. Remember, we're talking about micrograms here. Even if you drop liquid LSD on your tongue, you're not tasting the LSD, you're tasting whatever the LSD is dissolved in. Just like the slightly bitter taste of some blotters is probably not the LSD, but the paper itself.
I've had very strong acid blotters that literally tasted like nothing.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#9610271 - 01/14/09 06:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh come on just because of one little article about dox you are all doubting lsd to this extent?
this is the dea reporting this here. well i cant beleive no one has said this yet but they are hardly reliable.
maybe, just maybe, could this possibly be a ploy to spread fear and panic through the country in order to undermine lsd use?
now im not saying that there aren't doxs' out there, but come on now people...
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well i think that some cid can have a taste or not have a taste depending on several factors. white fluff aparently doesn't have any taste. the blotters i have had lately don't have any taste. but i have also had blotters that have had a taste. the trips however were too far apart to even begin to compare them because the trips i had 1 year ago are drastically different from the ones i have today. but there are more types of lsd crystal than just white fluff, i think there is an amber kind or something that does have a metallic bitter taste. it is possible that there are other types of crystal that have a taste. not to mention that one of the most common things that lsd is stored in is tin foil, it might be possible for the tin foil taste to rub off on blotters if stored or frozen for long enough?
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Edited by Desos (01/14/09 06:44 PM)
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: pfxtc]
#9610342 - 01/14/09 06:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I meant to preface my OP with the statement: "Now I know that the DEA isn't the most reliable source for information about drugs but..."
Should we believe that there is actually more DOx in circulation right now than LSD? Probably not. But I do believe that submissions of “blotter acid” [to government labs] actually containing LSD are currently uncommon in the U.S. Most such submissions actually contain either a hallucinogenic tryptamine or phenethylamine.
This info was not published for "public" consumption. It is from their monthly intelligence bulletin directed towards LEOs.
Even if we can't say which is more common, we can definitely assume that either, A) People with real LSD just aren't getting busted like the idiots with the RC's, or B) RC's on blotter are currently very common.
Maybe its both. But a quick look in the recent history of this forum will tell you that a LOT of people have gotten DOx blotter within the past year or so.
I don't think I'm being hysterical. I'm just trying to educate people...
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Desos]
#9610364 - 01/14/09 06:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Desos said:
maybe, just maybe, could this possibly be a ploy to spread fear and panic through the country in order to undermine lsd use?
maybe, but they picked an awfully obscure publication to do so, not to mention that they don't even bother explaining what these scary drugs are to the infantile public.
This is definitely not just PR
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#9610484 - 01/14/09 07:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea i didn't mean that you were being hysterical. i just would have expected people on a forum like this to be a little more free-minded.
it just seems like if the dea wanted to obscure the vision of lsd -- and of course they do -- then they would report on any kind of RC being sold as lsd, while when maybe they do obtain some real lsd they might not report on it.
so it could be like we are seeing only a part of their arrests. so it seems like they are pulling in alot more RCs than lsd.
which seems more harmful? lsd being sold as lsd? or dox being sold as lsd?
it could as much be an attempt to induce paranoya in the public about lsd consumption as much as it could be an attempt to coerce government agencies into thinking more negatively about lsd.
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Re: DEA Bulletin: DOC is currently more common than LSD [Re: Desos]
#9610546 - 01/14/09 07:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSD already has a bad rap.
I think you're attributing much more to this bulletin than is really there. The DEA is a big machine. They work by brute force and simple lies. There is no reason for them to go out of the way to fudge seizure data to smear the public image of LSD. It's really much more simple for them to tell a really simple lie and just repeat it.
"Adverse symptoms of LSD use include hallucinations, paranoia, and flashbacks."
They aren't going to make it any more elaborate than that.
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