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OfflineBeauville
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #966799 - 10/16/02 07:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I am not going off on any religious kick here by any means, but I have to admit that I always feel as if my body is just on loan. (and whenever I have a loaner car I return the motherfker beat like neal cassidy).

What does a hunk of evacuated flesh have to do with any of this anyhow? I thought this was about duality (or morality) of excuse (or reason) to take advantage of a given resouce. In the above example a lot of waste that somone has left behind ( something that is left by someone with out ability or intent ot use it is waste.) is considered the resource.


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OfflineBeauville
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #966857 - 10/16/02 08:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

*What about a man's dying wishes?
Doesn't that matter at all?
If we treat our dead like animals treat their dead, then we would be no better than animals.
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I have severe interpretive issues with this entire post.
#1
I think that when you are at the point of death it's a bit too late to start making wishes. First there is no damn chance that you will be able to help them occur and that is stupid egotism to expect othes to do so especially since you will shortly not be there for them. Secondly these "wishes" as cliche' names them... they hold olnly as much value as those who are left behind give them. I know many people that ignore or totally miss important things that are said to them in real time every day. These same buggers would consider it a "life altering experience if someone said anything to them as their last words... the asses.
So hithero, no it does not matter for the sake of mattering unless I am given a chance to understand the meaning behind them and decide if they are worhwhile and true.

#2 "If we treat our dead like animals treat their dead, then we would be no better than animals. "

Oh do come on....
WHy does it all of a sudden become "my dead"? Keep you dead to yourself. (hehheh)
But seriously, when was the last time you visited yourr dead relatives? How many of you atually decide after someone dies to change the way you live?

I don't know, infidelGOD.... that post just seemed like you pulled out the stops on cliche' and went for it with not even a bit of originality or reflective tthought in between...

just because i think that you are wrong, still doesn't mean I'll give you a bad rating or think that you're a fool... I just want you to elaborate... at least give me a reason to try and see it your way.


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Offlinejayson
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #966983 - 10/16/02 09:10 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The body is no different than his car?

The body is simply a vehicle that's no longer needed after death.
If you believe the body is the self, then when your dead your gone, you no longer exist. So you don't care ether way.



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Offlinejayson
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #967589 - 10/17/02 12:54 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Speak for yourself.. yes we are animals and we are so much more... excuse my delusion.

In what way are we so much more. What our brain.  :confused: If so then is someone who drives a V8 better than a person who drives a MINI. This can only be the case if you consider your self to be a brain in a body. 
I myself do not consider myself to be the car i drive, nor the body i inhabit. 


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: jayson]
    #967943 - 10/17/02 03:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I am the process called Sclorch (at least... in HERE).


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Beauville]
    #968088 - 10/17/02 04:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

... they hold olnly as much value as those who are left behind give them

Exactly, life is for the living and the dead are also for the living. We preserve the dead for the living, not for the dead.

I'm not saying that a dead man has any wishes...

Are you saying that we should ignore a dying man's wishes after he dies because he is no longer living and so no longer cares? kind of harsh don't you think?

A man in a vegatative state might not have any wishes, he doesn't care if he lives or dies, so is his body a "resource"? "public property"?

If dead bodies are just "resources" to you, what should be done with them? (since you apparently think honoring their wishes and burying them is a selfish "egotistical" act.)


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: jayson]
    #968089 - 10/17/02 04:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In what way are we so much more

If you can't see it then I'm sorry, I can't explain it to you.


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #968270 - 10/17/02 07:47 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I see fine.  :smirk: 


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #969871 - 10/17/02 06:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm just going to ask that my body be cremated... or buried in a field of corn. :wink:
I will become one with the Jiffypop. 


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Sclorch]
    #970005 - 10/17/02 06:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Does rotting human flesh make a good mushroom substrate?


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Swami]
    #970242 - 10/17/02 08:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

swami, I saw the same documentary.  I happened to comment to someone exactly what you brought up.  the difference is the archaeoligists are doing it in the name of science. :crazy:


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Sclorch]
    #970986 - 10/18/02 12:58 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"Do not surround me with wreathes of flowers...nor place upon my body...the signs of a fetish...nor crescent, cross, phallus or sun.........But bury me in an apple orchard that I may touch your lips again...Bury me in an apple orchard....that I may touch your lips again...

Look at me when you glance at the spring apple flower...speak of me into a breeze blowing over your fingers...taste of me when your lips taste the froth of the apple meat...'

- The Fugs 'Burial Waltz'


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #971460 - 10/18/02 04:45 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Markos... I thought you believed in souls. What's all this materialistic verse here?

Don't tell me that's just poetry.


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Sclorch]
    #971767 - 10/18/02 09:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm just going to ask that my body be cremated... or buried in a field of corn.
I will become one with the Jiffypop.


Sorry for the compliment but this is your best line ever!


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: ]
    #972353 - 10/18/02 03:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I thought it was pretty nice too.  :wink: 


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Offlineuno
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #974117 - 10/19/02 05:12 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In all of the mummy exhibits i've seen in the past few years; they have all had the canopic jars and various trinkets found in the tomb in close proximity. Perhaps curators trying to appease the ancient king gods? Maybe just to keep the exhibit intact, I don't know.


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Sclorch]
    #976674 - 10/20/02 11:50 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm surprised that you see that verse as "materielisic".


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #977481 - 10/20/02 06:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm surprised that you see that verse as "materielistic".

Markos: Bury me in an apple orchard....that I may touch your lips again...

Sounds like materialism to me.
Unless there's some part of your "soul" that sticks to your body after death (which would be a new concept for me), I don't see how that line is NOT materialistic.

I'm open to reinterpretation though...


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Offlineshii-tan
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Swami]
    #981488 - 10/22/02 01:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

How much time must pass before it is socially acceptable to rob a grave? How many experts does it take to declare an act to be moral? Can an act be moral for some, but immoral for others?




ahh..
ive been asking myself the same question for years.


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