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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: ]
    #959600 - 10/14/02 01:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Wow someone used a philosophical term.

Please ban the poster or explain the rules.



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Offlinepostalboy
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: CleverName]
    #959711 - 10/14/02 02:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

theres no such thing as useless knowledge.

Ok instead of arguing about the "useless knowledge" point, let's argue whether we should have the right to exhume corpses simply to satisfy our curiousity. And the jesus point doesn't hold water since it is christianity's assertion that the body is only a recepticle for the soul. The soul lives on in heaven and the empty husk rots on earth. The egyptians didn't view the material world as a transition. They needed those bowls and foodstuffs in the next life. By taking it away we are destroying their spiritual selves.
Of course this is all conjecture as I don't believe in any life after death. But it does show the inherent nature in society to destroy one thing in order to save something else.


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #959998 - 10/14/02 04:42 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You are not your khakis, but you ARE your pottery that's buried with your mummified corpse?


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #960243 - 10/14/02 06:32 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In 200 years the kids will be learning how the GREAT DUBYA vanquished evil. Even though in reality, he is a fucking moron and he couldn't accomplish tying his shoes without daddy's help. I wonder how many of are founding fathers were stupid. We wouldn't know because history is inherently biased towards our "rightful" perspective.

Be aware that the current textbooks honor Clinton as one of the three best Presidents to serve in office. In 200 years I doubt that either one of them will make as much as a footnote. But as neither one of us will be around to see the point is moot now isn't it?

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OfflineCleverName
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #960259 - 10/14/02 06:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

by law we do have the right.
by moral values, i personally think the information about our past is worth the digging. we've learned many things about ancient cultures, by studying their dead, and where their dead were buried....grave sites are religious hotbeds for info.....you have to know where you come from to see where you are going, blah blah blah


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #960420 - 10/14/02 07:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

do modern egyptians identify with ancient egyptians enough to be personally offended by this "grave robbing"?


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Offlinepostalboy
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Sclorch]
    #960704 - 10/14/02 08:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You are not your khakis, but you ARE your pottery that's buried with your mummified corpse?

I never said I was an egyptian.  I was merely arguing against digging them up and displaying them against their wishes.  And the current government in Egypt has about as much right to dig them up as Americans do of stuffing the Indians on reservations after stealing their land. 

I never said I personally was against it.  I was merely pointing out that I didn't think there was a difference between a guy digging it up and selling it to a collector or a PhD digging it up for his salary at the university.  They are both doing the EXACT same thing for the EXACT same reason.  Money.  The same reason the evangelists do that whole revival thing and the same reason people sell Khakis to other people.  And the same reason Amerca goes to war.  MONEY!!  ARGHGHGHGHHGHGHGHG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I HATE SOCIETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ok I'm better now.  Where was I?  :confused:

Oh yes
by law we do have the right.

No we don't.  Laws do not equal "right."  Never have, never will.  Please refer to my previous post about "Might makes Right"  By law, Hitler had a right to annihilate the Jews but it was still viewed as wrong by outsiders.  By law, Taliban has the right to blow shit up.  And now by law, Dubya has the right to bomb the shit out of them back.  Law doesn't equal right. 

If law is right as Clevername says, why are we all posting on a site about "Illegal Mushrooms?"  By law they are illegal.  Any person talking about the laws of this country being right while posting on this page is a hypocrite.  I have never stood behind this country.  We are a country run by hypocrites.  And I despise hypocrites.       
     


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #960909 - 10/14/02 10:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was just fuckin' witcha man. :wink:
hehehe 


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Anonymous

Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #961025 - 10/14/02 10:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, but tell us how you really feel.

This time don't hold back. :smile:


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: postalboy]
    #961159 - 10/14/02 11:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i tried to divide law and moral if you look at my post.
i never said the law was always right, why do you jump to conclusions?
i did say that i think digging is ok for educational value.

comparing hitler using law to kill jews, and the taliban to digging up ancient burial grounds are so different, it doesnt even fit.


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OfflineBeauville
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: ]
    #961584 - 10/15/02 01:25 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"But as neither one of us will be around to see the point is moot now isn't it?"

Damn Plato, you can squish an ego withe the bat of your marble eye...



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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Beauville]
    #961597 - 10/15/02 01:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:grin:

Depends, just like the adult diaper, some are unsquishible.

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Offlinejayson
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: ]
    #962080 - 10/15/02 04:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The difference is that the archaeologists dig up graves of people that have no living relatives to worry about it. So no one is hurt.
And if your worried about the wishes of the dead. Their dead how do you know what their wishes are. What they wanted when they were alive, and what they care about now, are probably two different things.
If people think that its immoral, then they should wake up.  The same people probably don't mind eating the flesh of dead animals. Is that immoral.  :confused: What makes a human carcass more important than any other animal. 


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: jayson]
    #962101 - 10/15/02 05:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What about a man's dying wishes?

Doesn't that matter at all?




If we treat our dead like animals treat their dead, then we would be no better than animals.



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OfflineBeauville
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #964492 - 10/15/02 11:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

So then I guess the real argument now is:

*At what point does your body become public property?*

And by that I mean that it would be accepted by 99.9% of everyone as non-offensive or violating...

Is there a point that it is possible?

I think the only case that I could bring up is that of Pompeii or any of the Ice-men. And that is ancient history... but even an argument could be made against those cases as well...


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Beauville]
    #964634 - 10/16/02 12:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I say Fuck it... when I'm dead, I'm gone... let the necrophiliacs have their way.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they should fuck my dead corpse in front of my family and friends *shudders*... I'm just saying that I won't be there to give a shit.


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OfflineBeauville
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Sclorch]
    #964678 - 10/16/02 01:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well then "chief",  I suppose you were clever enough to read more than the bold font? :grin: 


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: Beauville]
    #964721 - 10/16/02 01:28 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I suppose...

Goddamn is your avatar creepy.


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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: infidelGOD]
    #966607 - 10/16/02 06:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What about a man's dying wishes?

What about  his house + car. These things are divided up and used by the living. The body is no different than any other possession. So then should we lock up the dead mans house + car for all eternity.  "The mans dying wishes", were given when he was living. Since he did not know what was to come when he died, he could not make a sound + rational judgment as what should be done with his body.

If we treat our dead like animals treat their dead, then we would be no better than animals. 

We are animals.  :confused:  To think that you are somehow grander than any other species of animal, is delusional. 


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Grave Robber v.s. Archaeologist [Re: jayson]
    #966677 - 10/16/02 07:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What about his house + car. These things are divided up and used by the living. The body is no different than any other possession

The body is no different than his car?

Since he did not know what was to come when he died, he could not make a sound + rational judgment as what should be done with his body.

That's not the point. It's not about his wishes when he's dead, it's about his dying wishes, when he's alive.

We are animals. To think that you are somehow grander than any other species of animal, is delusional.

Speak for yourself.. yes we are animals and we are so much more... excuse my delusion.


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