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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9549054 - 01/05/09 02:14 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It pains me greatly to say but zappa's response was probably more in line with the general spirit of the thread.

I think controlling human population is an infinitely more urgent need than the decriminalization of my favorite drug.




Maybe it is, but that isn't what he proposed.  He proposed a law.

That law would require people be put in jail or fined and when they allready have no mean to raise the child, this would be poor policy.  The only other thing I could imagine would be forced sterilizations which is ethically troubling and possibly illegal in the US.  Drug legalization would be a step that could be implemented and would have profound positive effects.  Rather than trying to punish, and hopefully stop, conduct that by its nature is generally private and poorly thought out, thus difficult to affect legislativly, drug legalization would be easy to implement- just stop fucking with people.

I also agree that decriminalizing drugs does pretty much nothing, though it would be a substantial step.  Legalising consentual conduct between people over 18 years of age is good, but decriminalizing wouldn't prevent the abuse of our rights and the ever expanding criminal justice industry.

At least the poster said he would decriminalize sales which would do soemthing at least.  Most talk of decriminalizing possesion which would seem to do nothing to help the state of the situation.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: johnm214]
    #9550096 - 01/05/09 09:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
It pains me greatly to say but zappa's response was probably more in line with the general spirit of the thread.

I think controlling human population is an infinitely more urgent need than the decriminalization of my favorite drug.




Maybe it is, but that isn't what he proposed.  He proposed a law.




Which, in case you hadn't noticed, is the title of the thread.
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That law would require people be put in jail or fined and when they allready have no mean to raise the child, this would be poor policy.  The only other thing I could imagine would be forced sterilizations which is ethically troubling and possibly illegal in the US.




Yep, hence my statement that it is evil. 
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  Drug legalization would be a step that could be implemented and would have profound positive effects.  Rather than trying to punish, and hopefully stop, conduct that by its nature is generally private and poorly thought out, thus difficult to affect legislativly, drug legalization would be easy to implement- just stop fucking with people.




So, your criteria for the one law you would pass is its ease.  Real brave, there Gunga Din.
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I also agree that decriminalizing drugs does pretty much nothing, though it would be a substantial step.  Legalising consentual conduct between people over 18 years of age is good, but decriminalizing wouldn't prevent the abuse of our rights and the ever expanding criminal justice industry.


At least the poster said he would decriminalize sales which would do soemthing at least.  Most talk of decriminalizing possesion which would seem to do nothing to help the state of the situation.




I would legalize all drugs, sale and possession.  But that just lacks enough gravitas for me to make it the one law.  I do all the drugs I want as it is.  Always have.  I'm just not a fucking idiot about it.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9550149 - 01/05/09 09:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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What I was saying is that in many developing nations like Africa most of the population (many in excess of 99.5%) could not afford to have kids. Furthermore how was it going to be enforced?




Africa is not a nation, and the affordability of children has not stopped them from having millions upon millions of them.  At some point there will inevitably be a law imposed by man or by nature to limit human population on earth.  Natural is quite harsh.  There might be a better way.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9551591 - 01/05/09 02:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I meant to say like in Africa but forgive my Palinesque slip anyway.

How can you claim your law is so much better than ours if you yourself call it evil?

Also how do you define financial competency?
I'd seen you rant about this in another thread and you claimed it was an annual combined income of 200 thousand dollars.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9551701 - 01/05/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You would not agree with my abolishment of the UN?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9553778 - 01/05/09 08:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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To which everyone in the world must adhere, what law would you lay down?





I would make quoting Monty Python movies illegal, punishable by being handed to the howling mob.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: TGRR]
    #9556165 - 01/06/09 05:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

>I would make quoting Monty Python movies illegal, punishable by being handed to the howling mob.

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9557534 - 01/06/09 12:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I meant to say like in Africa but forgive my Palinesque slip anyway.

How can you claim your law is so much better than ours if you yourself call it evil?

Also how do you define financial competency?
I'd seen you rant about this in another thread and you claimed it was an annual combined income of 200 thousand dollars.




I never said any such thing.  You are a liar. 

It is evil.  So is nature.  Nature is worse.  Sooner or later either we or nature will impose a limit.  Which would you prefer?  Tooth and claw?  Or reason?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9557542 - 01/06/09 12:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You would not agree with my abolishment of the UN?




That actually does not suck.  Not at all.  I must have missed that one buried beneath the avalanche of dope fiend and global warming idiot proposals.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9558103 - 01/06/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

My issue is that your law make no sense would be difficult to implement and there are many other laws like the one I mentioned earlier that would alleviate the burdens of overpopulation on the planet sooner rather than later.

My main issue with your law is that you called me an idiot while simultaneously making a needlessly totalitarian law about something you know nothing about.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9559841 - 01/06/09 07:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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>I would make quoting Monty Python movies illegal, punishable by being handed to the howling mob.

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!






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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: TGRR]
    #9560475 - 01/06/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Any legislature that seeks to authorize military action must take a vote.  If the majority votes in favor of war, those in the majority must kill themselves.  Then, an election would be held to replace them, and the next legislatures would vote again.  Repeat.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: xFrockx]
    #9560686 - 01/06/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Any legislature that seeks to authorize military action must take a vote.  If the majority votes in favor of war, those in the majority must kill themselves.  Then, an election would be held to replace them, and the next legislatures would vote again.  Repeat.




haha that's what we should replace the UN with. I bet it would be much more effective.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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