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weilii ID help please - lots of them
    #955957 - 10/13/02 12:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ok here we go.  Today me and a good friend both went mushroom hunting for the very first time.  We took a trip down to GA looking for Weils equipped with prior research and the Stamets guide.  Well, we spent all day cruising 3 ? 8 year old neighborhoods staring into Bermuda grass? and I think it paid off :cool:  We found a shit load of shrooms but before we eat any of them I have a few questions.

First of all I think it is possible that we found more then one species of mushroom.  There is one type that looks identical to the photos in the Stamets guide (see below pics).  I am almost certain these are Weil.



However, the other is a shroom found in the same environment (neighborhoods) that also looks very much like Weil?s Mushroom, that could indeed be Weils, but we have some doubt (see below pics) :crazy:  There are some differences although they are slight.  First, the stem on average is much thinner in diameter then the above.  Also, the coloration of these stems tends to be more brown then in the above shrooms.  There seems to be less of a bluing reaction in these specimens and what reaction does take place seems to be more of a blacking reaction.  They may indeed be the exact same shrooms but being a beginner I want to be extra careful.  Another possible difference may be that the cap on the shrooms in question is not inrolled as opposed to the above.



On all, meaning both types of shrooms, spore deposits found on shorter caps in the field are light to very dark purple.  However, at this point sporing is light making it difficult to take new prints although we are attempting to make new prints as I write this.

I would also like to know if there are any look-alikes that would grow in the same environment that are poisonous.  I will gladly throw away every single one of these shrooms without a positive ID.

I can also provide more detail or more pics if necessary so please ask!

Thank you all for your input

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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #955959 - 10/13/02 12:53 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

mail em to me and ill test em :laugh: they look like all the pictures of weilii ive seen but get someone who is smarter tand me


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #956054 - 10/13/02 01:41 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I found those exact shrooms today(Saturday), and they blued like crazy soon after. Now they are almost completely blue, but they don't look like any of the weilii's I have seen on this forum. They also have this wierd scent, it smells like a crayon, with sort of a waxy smell. Its really wierd. I hope its just a wierd variation of a weilii, because they look very legit.


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #956102 - 10/13/02 02:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Your biggest dangers are from 2 groups of mushrooms (given the appearance of your mushrooms).

Galerina is the most dangerous. They have rusty brown spore prints and contain amatoxins (the stuff in the deadly Amanitas). A spore print will rule these out easily.

Inocybe can be dangerous. They have brown spore prints, most of them smell strongly bad, and they contain muscarine (*not* what's in Amanita muscaria). Again, a spore print will rule these out easily.

Try to be sure the bruising is *blue*, not just a darkening of the mushroom (in other words, don't let yourself become over-optimistic). To help spore prints along, try putting a small bowl over the mushroom, along with a wet paper towel to raise the humidity.

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    #956514 - 10/13/02 08:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: Macey Howard]
    #956607 - 10/13/02 10:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well they sure smell "musky waxy".  before you said that i was thinking of a sort of clay like smell but not quite.  i mean, most of them are defiantly bruising blue.  i set the prints up last night right when i got home and this morning there is very light spore dropping.  the spores that did drop onto my white 3x5 cards really look purple but again the production is so light that there is a slim chance they are brown...    :confused: 


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: HybridBudMaster]
    #956609 - 10/13/02 10:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I can almost promise you that you didn't find weilii in Virginia.

But nonsence, yes, all mushrooms pictured look like Ps. weilii to me.

Where in Georgia did you find these guys?


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #956635 - 10/13/02 11:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

While I'm no expert, the smell is definitely the most distinctive factor for me.
If my cat smelled like a weilii, I'd probably eat 'er.


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #956645 - 10/13/02 11:26 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The mushrooms that i found that are similiar to this were found on a dirt area next to a soccer field in a park, which was next to a creek. I found mine in atlanta, ga, and they look exactly what he posted, with sort of a crayon type, waxy smell to them. Its very strange.


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: HybridBudMaster]
    #956654 - 10/13/02 11:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If the prints come out purple and it bruises like a mofo, I bet you gots one :smile:

Really though, All mine turn dark blue from handling.
It may take a few hours to really notice the effect, but the stem goes from light rusty to almost black.
purty :laugh: 


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: Gumby]
    #956662 - 10/13/02 11:53 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i found them in the roswell / merietta area. just south of cherokee county and north of atlanta. this should be the prime area for weilii from everything i have read.

also, most of them have turned a dark blue.



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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #957321 - 10/13/02 05:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If you leave the weilii caps on paper over night with a class covering the cap, they will drop nice spore prints. Compare the smells of the different specimens. Weilii have a very distinct smell, that is unlike any other mushrooms (except for LK's new species which he reported had similar odors). If you want to test bruising on those second speciment, cut the stem off near to the cap, and pinch the remaining portion of the stem. The interesting thing about the second pictures is the lack of white rhizomorphs. These all look very much like weilii, and I doubt very seriously they are anything else. There aren't really any close looks alikes that grow in the same enviroment. Chances are very good that these are all Weilii.


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #957421 - 10/13/02 06:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I picked the same ones you did nonsense, and I ate them around noon. They are defaintly weilii, because I had a pretty good mindtrip and body buzz off of only two small ones I found. I think you may have a good find. Post some more pictures, though, they are good looking mushrooms.


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #957603 - 10/13/02 07:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

They are all Weilii ... I put my word on it... not all appear like the top pictures you posted and the one in stamets field guide... i have spotted really small ones with thinner stems growing alone and not in bunches... near clusters of the ones identical to stamets guide... did spore prints and tested ... all bruise blue all are active with same prints... caps start out black, dark brown, or even light brown and then change to a grey/blue bruised blue or even fade to a grey/white when not bruising.... and all upon growing to potential get that wavy look almost like a cyanescan... the stems although usually pictured fat i have found many to be much thinner... deceiving but still active weilii


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #957734 - 10/13/02 08:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ns, you have indeed found weilii.  congradulations!

they are all weilii, btw.  not mixed species.

pw  :smile: 


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: weilii]
    #957740 - 10/13/02 08:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i found weilii too right here^^^^^^^^^^


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #957878 - 10/13/02 09:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

there are some that look similar--weilii comes in a variety of froms and can look different at various stages of development. send me a private note and i can give you more info.

nice clusters, btw.

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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #958079 - 10/13/02 10:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Those are all definitely weilii, like above poster said, they come in many shapes and forms and can look very different depending on conditions and stage of development. Looks like you did pretty good for driving blindly into unknown territory. Glad you were able to collect ehough info from my postings to find them on your own :smile:



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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: Lizard King]
    #958149 - 10/13/02 11:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

:cool: this is sooo sweeeet  :laugh: 


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    #958198 - 10/13/02 11:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ain't it though! If I drove down from TN to find weilii and DID I be happy as hell too :smile:



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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #958292 - 10/13/02 11:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, thank God for this forum, because I would've thrown out two beautiful potent mushrooms. I spent about 2-3 hours just cruising around alpharetta, scoping out the new neighborhood's lawns, but not being too nosey. After a long search of not seeing even one mushroom, I went down to my park to look for some. I found mostly the usual amanitas and psythrellas, and decided to give up and go home. I searched the area of the park I hadn't covered, and at the last minute had spotted two good looking mushrooms. They didn't quite match the weilii's I had seen on the forum (mostly LK's posts), but when I cracked the stem they started bluing within 5 minutes. I knew something was up with these. Soon after both of these mushrooms were bluing all over and I became excited, but not enough to consume the unidentified mushroom. That following morning (today), nonsense posted pictures of mushrooms he had found, which of course looked identical to mine. After finding out that weilii's had the waxy smell that was unique about them, I consumed them, and they were good. Thank you to this forum, and especially LK, and some of the others that have provided info about weilii's. I appreciate it greatly.


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: HybridBudMaster]
    #958301 - 10/13/02 11:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

doesnt it feel great to eat a mushroom you identified on your own and to feel comfertable enough to eat it


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #958339 - 10/14/02 12:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

here are some bonus pics. i am so tired so i can't say much right now, but a big thank you to all. i will get back to this post tomorrow.

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    #958347 - 10/14/02 12:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Great pics and great picking man! Thems some healthy weilii.


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    #958376 - 10/14/02 12:24 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah its really great, better than great


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #958722 - 10/14/02 02:21 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: nonsence]
    #959900 - 10/14/02 04:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the flight to atlanta is too much money.
i hate you guys. :mad:
gorgeous. 


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them [Re: viscid]
    #962575 - 10/15/02 11:23 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If I had a car I would drive to ATL today


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them MORE PICS [Re: nonsence]
    #963209 - 10/15/02 03:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well my buddy and i each ate 10 wet grams last night.  all in all a very mild trip.  one interesting aspect though, we got the regular shroom buzz that started about 30 minutes after we ate them, but at about the 2 1/2 hour mark the trip noticeable picked up and visuals became more apparent.  with other mushrooms, usually at 2 1/2 hours into a trip the potency of the experience does not continue to increase.  i wonder if it is due to the tryptophan present in weiii.  anyway, here are some more pics.  this thread has become very popular so i hope others can be helped to learn how to identify these shrooms safely.  these buggers really are easy to find  :wink: 





sorry about the edit but the link was wrong in one of the pics

           


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them MORE PICS [Re: nonsence]
    #963226 - 10/15/02 04:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

you should hook me up with a print please :grin:


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them MORE PICS [Re: Dobie]
    #963260 - 10/15/02 04:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

dobie420_247, i would be happy to send you a print but like i thought none of them came out. i have two light prints that i am keeping for myself but my friend and i had so much fun i am sure we will be going hunting again in the next couple weeks. if i can get prints from the next round i will send them out. folks, please pm me if you want a print and i will send out a reasonable amount of them.


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them MORE PICS [Re: nonsence]
    #963263 - 10/15/02 04:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i forgot to mention, i wound up with 1/4 lb of dry weilii.  that's not counting a shit-load i gave to friends and the 150 wet grams in the fridge :shocked: 


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them MORE PICS [Re: nonsence]
    #963315 - 10/15/02 04:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

damn dude thats a grip i wish i was your friend :laugh: to make em a little darker get the cap a little wet like drop some water on the cap and then put a cap over it


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Re: weilii ID help please - lots of them MORE PICS [Re: nonsence]
    #963779 - 10/15/02 07:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

tryptophan is an amino acid.  no funny feelings, really, just nice pleasant relaxation, very mild, and only as part of the diet.
tryptamines would help yer trip, as that is what causes it in the first place.
the two-and-a-half hour mark is interesting. 
psilocyn goes straight to the head, fifteen minutes or so, boom.
then, after an hour or maybe closer to two, psilocybin has finally been rendered to psilocyn, and voila, another wave of pleasure....the other components i know not so well.  baeocystin, norbaeocystin and other tryptamines are present in many mushrooms we like.
who knows which one is hittin you on that second wave.
does any body have any references on this?

peace. i want a print too. :laugh: 


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