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Beneficial Bacteria Question
    #9556661 - 01/06/09 09:13 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I was at a hydro store yesterday and came across a product called "myconitro", or something like that.  When i asked the store-keep what it was he handed me the little 4 oz jar.  The jar was a substance filled with beneficial bacteria and was to be used as a soil additive for plants.
I was just curious if anyone had any thoughts regarding the use of it in our hobby. I know cubes are easy enough as is, but some species are much more finicky when it comes to this subject.  Maybe adding this post sterilization for certain species?


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Re: Beneficial Bacteria Question [Re: arp180]
    #9556675 - 01/06/09 09:16 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Sounds more like it is some kind of mycorrhizal fungi additive for plant roots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhizae


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Re: Beneficial Bacteria Question [Re: arp180]
    #9556679 - 01/06/09 09:17 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Bacteria beneficial for plants are not necessarily beneficial for fungi.


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Re: Beneficial Bacteria Question [Re: Nibin]
    #9557000 - 01/06/09 10:30 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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Nibin said:
Sounds more like it is some kind of mycorrhizal fungi additive for plant roots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhizae




Agreed. 

The beneficial bacteria are in the air all around us, and all you need do is pasteurize a substrate to kill off the mold spores, but don't sterilize, which kills off everything, thus making it more susceptible to contamination, and less hospitable to pinset formation.

However, if you're growing cubes, they'll fruit even if you do everything wrong.  They're the easiest species to grow, and thus teach really bad habits for when you move on to harder to grow species later.
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Re: Beneficial Bacteria Question [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9557241 - 01/06/09 11:34 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I understand the ease of cubes, as mentioned in my original post regarding possible benefits for other species. Thanks Nibin for the short and quick, I am sure that is the intended purpose. Dead, I know what is good for plants isn't necessarily good for fungi, or humans for that matter.  The same coincides with nutritional views, I wouldn't drink fertilizer.  Thanks for the explanation you guys, what about charcoal in a substrate?


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Re: Beneficial Bacteria Question [Re: arp180]
    #9557400 - 01/06/09 12:12 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Don't use it.

If I remember right it does contain AM (arbuscular mycorrhizas, aka endo-mycorrhizas) and some ecto-mycorrhizas too (the two types of mycorrhiza fungi).  What does the ingredients say?  If I remember right it has "trichoderma harzianum", most all mycorrhzial products do...except one.  What is highly annoying is the makers of the products are idiots.  They don't realize or care that the trich they add will kill the myco's they are adding (both AM and ectos) if there are no harmful fungi in the media (which is rarely the case with cannabis).

Another point worth mentioning is those are freeze dried spores (both mycos and the trich) and you will only see a 30-50% germination rate.  For real host infection of AM you want to use live hyphae, roots of a previous host and live spores...all very easy to do at home with a 'starter' infected host plant of G.mossae (and others if you wish) from INVAM.


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Re: Beneficial Bacteria Question [Re: goose2r]
    #12035617 - 02/15/10 05:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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goose2r said:

If I remember right it has "trichoderma harzianum", most all mycorrhzial products do...except one.  What is highly annoying is the makers of the products are idiots.  They don't realize or care that the trich they add will kill the myco's they are adding (both AM and ectos) if there are no harmful fungi in the media (which is rarely the case with cannabis).





most of those boosters do contain mainly trich...advanced nutrients "pirahna"supposedly using the trich stops/prevents grey mold and some of the other blights that hit with tomatoes, cannabis, and the sort. most hype.

I use and have a question about one of the products I use a TON in my MJ grow. Espoma Bio-tone....I wasn't sure if I could toss some extra in my horse poo PRIOR to Pasteurizing the horse poo. I'm planning on trying a Poo/Cocoa Coir/ vermiculite/lime casing mix and this stuff is hopping with ben. bact. and fungi..but wouldn't those be dealt with during the pasteurizing?

here's the list of whats in it. It does NOT contain Trich.
Contains 5,678,688 colony forming units (CFU’s) per lb. (378,579 CFU’s per lb. each of the following 15 species):
Bacillus subtilis
Paenibacillus polymyxa
Bacillus licheniformis
Pseudomonas alcaligenes
Bacillus megaterium
Pseudomonas chlororaphis
Bacillus marinus
Pseudomonas putida
Bacillus coagulans
Acidovorax facilis
Bacillus thuringiensis
Arthrobacter agilis
Bacillus pumilis
Rhodococcus rhodochorus
Bacillus lentimorbus
Ectomycorrhizal Fungi: 44,200,000 propagules/lb. of the following 8 species:
Pisiolithus tinctorius (40,000,000 pro

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