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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #9522124 - 12/31/08 03:22 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> As a clarification, Hillary doesn't want kids to be able to buy adult video games (pornographic and/or extremely violent).  Do you disagree with her on this?

As implemented, yes, I do.  When a game receives an "M" rating, almost nobody will sell it, to adults or children.  The "M" rating on a video game is like an "XXX" rating on a video.  I wouldn't have a problem with the system if getting an "M" rating didn't kill the video game.  As it is now, companies go out of their way to avoid an "M" rating because they cannot sell the game otherwise.  Her stated intent might be to stop kids from buying these games, but the implementation is another story... and I'm guessing she doesn't losing any sleep at night over the difference.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Seuss]
    #9522135 - 12/31/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

where do you buy your videogames?


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9522210 - 12/31/08 04:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> where do you buy your videogames?

TPB  :wink:

However, I was speaking towards the major retailers... their policy, in general, is to not carry games that have an "M" rating.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Seuss]
    #9522402 - 12/31/08 06:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I voted for Obama. But if net neutrality is ever taken from us, I will riot.

I mean that.

If I disappear tomorrow on account of being thrown into a secret prison, you know why.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Seuss]
    #9522408 - 12/31/08 06:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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When a game receives an "M" rating, almost nobody will sell it, to adults or children.




What? Do you live in Utah? I've never had trouble finding an M-rated game anywhere. Best Buy, Blockbuster, Wal-Mart all carry M-rated games IME. What retailers are more "major?"


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9522618 - 12/31/08 08:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, my bad... they are restricting the sales to minors... Been a while since I lived someplace that have large retailers.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Seuss]
    #9522659 - 12/31/08 08:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Wise man.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Seuss]
    #9523810 - 12/31/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Check the ESRB rating for Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and see how sales of that game have gone.

For those who don't feel like doing a search, it's rated "Adults Only", which is even stronger than "Mature".

You can verify this on the ESRB website.

It's the best selling game of all time for the PS2.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9523836 - 12/31/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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and that give them to force their white bread morality on me?



It gives people a choice as to what their children can see.  I'm all about a freedom of choice for adults, and if I had kids I probably couldn't care less what games they played, but some parents want a choice in what their kids have access to.  If they want their kids to play these games, they are free to buy them for their kids.

Edit:  Since ratings already exist, I'm not really sure what this debate is really about???

Edit #2:  It appears Hillary was upset because many stores were selling games to kids regardless of the game's ESRB rating.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #9523950 - 12/31/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> For those who don't feel like doing a search, it's rated "Adults Only", which is even stronger than "Mature".

Ah, that explains my error.  I was basing what I was saying about retailers off of what I had read about the rating of that game... but thought M was the highest rating.  Live and learn... :blush:


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #9525336 - 12/31/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It gives people a choice as to what their children can see.






it's called 'supervision', what happens when little johnny 
walks out of the house and goes to lesters, lesters parents dont
care what he watches and plays and all they play is violent
video games while they're there... did the parents have the
choice?

again, parents need the proactive roles, ratings are fine when
it comes to determining whether or not the stores will sell it
to kids, it gives parents an idea as to what to expect when they
buy games but when the comercials are all over the TV and all
the kids are talking about it, what actually stops them from
getting it if the parents arent present and limiting the time
the spend on the consoles

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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #9525715 - 12/31/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Its my opinion (and I could be very wrong) that liberalism leads to socialism leads to communism leads to draconian facism.

Long live life liberty and the pursuit of happiness

ugh. thinking about this stuff gives me the blues

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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: vikingpower]
    #9525772 - 12/31/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It is my opinion that people who think of general political conditions (and even economic conditions to a lesser extent) necessitate a fall into another form of political structure (almost always fascism for some reason), are unqualified to render any judgments on any political matters. I've never taken a political science course or read a political science book but I doubt such judgments are vindicated by any intellectual authorities in said field.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: vikingpower]
    #9526333 - 01/01/09 03:33 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Its my opinion (and I could be very wrong) that liberalism leads to socialism leads to communism leads to draconian facism.




In my opinion, conservatism leads to patriotism leads to nationalism leads to fascism.

The moral: extremism is something to be avoided in all cases.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9526419 - 01/01/09 05:35 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to back out of the Hillary discussion, because I really don't care about this issue one way or another.  If stores sell M rated games to kids, fine.  If not, that's fine too.  If I had to choose, I'd lean towards not selling them games, to keep parents that do care about it happy.

My point of brining this up was that I don't see the big deal with what Hillary was trying to do (block the sale of mature games to minors).  It doesn't put her in the same category as Christian fundamentalists, who I suspect would like to block such materials from adults as well.

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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #9526452 - 01/01/09 06:09 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hilary's desire to ban the sale of M-rated games to minors isn't really something that can be argued with. But at the same time her political motives are quite obvious. It's a very ineffectual gesture, as kids will always find a way to play the gory sexy games they want to play. She's merely pandering to the massive lobby of irresponsible parents too busy to monitor what their kids are up to. I wish our politicians would spend their time on more important social issues.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9526496 - 01/01/09 07:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> She's merely pandering to the massive lobby of irresponsible parents too busy to monitor what their kids are up to.

I couldn't have said it better.


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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #9527143 - 01/01/09 11:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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My point of brining this up was that I don't see the big deal with what Hillary was trying to do (block the sale of mature games to minors).




there's a reason we have laws that not only prohibit the
smuggling of drugs into the country that cover smuggling drugs,
but now we have laws the prohibit smuggling them by car, another
for planes, another for tunnels and Biden introduced one to
cover smuggling by submarine... these politicians need to do
something in order to give their very existence some validity,
if we have the laws, why not just enforce them as opposed to
making a new one to cover the same problem

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Re: Thank you, Obama voters! [Re: Seuss]
    #9553815 - 01/05/09 08:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Although the article appears to be about the UK, there is an interesting twist in there thanks to Obama.  I just want to thank all the Obama voters that listened to me when I mentioned Socialism leads to Fascism.  This is the change you are bringing about.  Thanks!  (We will see how far it goes...)

Web sites could get cinema-style ratings: U.K. minister
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LONDON (Reuters) - The kind of ratings used for films could be applied to Web sites in a bid to better police the Internet and protect children from harmful and offensive material, Britain's minister for culture has said.

Andy Burnham told The Daily Telegraph newspaper, published on Saturday, that the [U.K.] government was planning to negotiate with the administration of U.S. President-elect Barack Obama to draw up new international rules for English language Web sites.

"The more we seek international solutions to this stuff -- the UK and the U.S. working together -- the more that an international norm will set an industry norm," the newspaper reports the Culture Secretary as saying in an interview.

Giving Web sites film-style ratings would be one possibility.

"This is an area that is really now coming into full focus," Burnham told the paper.

Internet service providers could also be forced to offer services where the only sites accessible are those deemed suitable for children, the paper said.

Any moves to censor the Internet would go to the heart of a debate about freedom of speech on the World Wide Web.

"If you look back at the people who created the Internet they talked very deliberately about creating a space that governments couldn't reach," Burnham told The Telegraph. "I think we are having to revisit that stuff seriously now."

He said some content should not be available to be viewed.

"This is not a campaign against free speech, far from it; it is simply there is a wider public interest at stake when it involves harm to other people. We have got to get better at defining where the public interest lies and being clear about it."

Burnham, who has three young children, pointed to the example of a 9 p.m. television "watershed" in Britain before which certain material, like violence, cannot be broadcast, and said better controls were needed for the Internet.

The minister wants new industry-wide "take down times" so that Web sites like YouTube or Facebook would have to remove offensive or harmful content within a specified time once it is brought to their attention.

He also said Britain was considering changing libel laws to give people access to legal help if they are defamed online.




Oh, and 'save teh children'...  :rolleyes:




Where, anywhere in there, does it say that Obama is actually having anything to do with this nonsense?

They're "planning to negotiate" with him.  That does not mean anyone has actually spoken to him, or that he agrees with any of this.

I trust that smiling bastard as far as I can throw him, but this is a bit of a reach, don't you think?


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