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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9558365 - 01/06/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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why does it outperform these other ingredients that we view as having more nutes?




A few years ago when I started growing on coffee, folks said, "coffee has no nutes", so how can mushrooms grow on it?  A year or two later when I started growing on coir and called it a bulk substrate ingredient, people said, "coir has no nutes, how can you grow on it".  Now, they're saying it about vermiculite.  I really don't care 'what' the mycelium is eating in the verm.  I do know that it consumes the verm, and not just the moisture within.

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hat about using equal parts verm to manure?




It's what I've been recommending for a few years now.  Use verm at up to half of any bulk substrate.  In fact, you can mix your colonized rye grain or wbs half and half with verm, and it will fruit as well as if you'd used manure, coir, castings, coffee, compost, whatever.
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:thumbup: That is awesome, and great to know as I was thinking of doing a 50%verm 50% wbs bulk.


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: Lennyk]
    #9575958 - 01/09/09 08:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

5 days ago 10 jars were inoculated with aussie strain and one of them is  colonizing rapidly, and 3 others are starting to show first signs of colonization. ill keep you guys updated to let you know if colonization continues, stops, jars get contammed, etc.  hopefully some of these jars will fruit


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: CubensisCutter]
    #9582067 - 01/10/09 10:20 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

now all of the cakes are colonizing nicely


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: CubensisCutter]
    #9582089 - 01/10/09 10:23 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Pictures?  I can't imagine a feasible way that a cake of entirely brf would turn into anything but mush once hydrated.

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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: libertaire]
    #9582220 - 01/10/09 10:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i dont have a camera. what do you mean by once hydrated?    anyways ALL 10 of the cakes with  3/4 cup BRF and 1/4 cup water are colonizing nicely exactly 1 week after inoculation


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: CubensisCutter]
    #9582234 - 01/10/09 10:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ya know....wet?  You should do what you can to get some pictures of these alleged brf only cakes.  I still can't see any way that would actually work.

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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: libertaire]
    #9582405 - 01/10/09 11:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

ill try to get some1 to lend me a camera. i assure you its working and dont appreciate your useless dribble calling me a liar on a subject  which your are completely ignorant of.  why the hell else would i make this post in the first place? and to the 'wet' question i used alot of BRF and a little bit of water so its not mushy at all.


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: CubensisCutter]
    #9582438 - 01/10/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying I don't see anyway it could work.  If it's working, that would be very interesting to see, but I have no way of believing it without visual proof.

Can you be more specific about your exact procedure?  How much water did you use, and what was the texture of the brf once you added the water?  Also, did you steam the jars, or pressure cook them?  Did you inject the jars with spores of lc?

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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: libertaire]
    #9582452 - 01/10/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I could imagine pure BRF being compacted, and thus leaving mycelium unable to grow. How did you get beyond this problem?


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: libertaire]
    #9582496 - 01/10/09 11:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i used 3/4 cup of BRF and 1/4 cup of water per jar. it was like really thick mud almost but not too wet, it was not as goopy as you would think.  i steamed the jars and used a syringe and now they are incubating and 1 jar is rapidly colonizing but the other 9 are colonizing as well at a normal rate. i really didnt think it was going to work at first either because i didnt even use a top layer of verm to hellp keep contams out. ill get a camera today because i have a feeling alot of people wont believe me which i dont understand becasue why would i post this if it wasnt true? because i want a bunch of people on a forum who i will never meet in real life to think im "cool" for not using vermiculite...yyyyyeeaahhhhh


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: Green_T]
    #9582525 - 01/10/09 12:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I could imagine pure BRF being compacted, and thus leaving mycelium unable to grow. How did you get beyond this problem?




i didnt use pure BRF. i bought long grain organic brown rice and put it in a blender. it is not fully powdered rice there are some decent chunks in there still. also, i lossely filled the jars. im not saying this is gonna be a successful grow im just saying that myc growth has began at all inoculation points and 1 jar is like 50% colonized with lots of rhizo.  now, will hte inside of the jars colonize? i dont know.  will the cakes just stall and be worthless? i dont know. this is just an experiment and as when i see more progress i will keep you all updated


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: CubensisCutter]
    #9582696 - 01/10/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Plain flour has been used before, but the vermiculite is a major food source for the fungi, as well as a water reservoir, so all you're doing is starving your mycelium.

What sort of filter did you use?  If you said above, I missed it.
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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9589109 - 01/11/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

filter?


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: CubensisCutter]
    #9590254 - 01/11/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You need a filter to stop contminant spores getting into your substrate.

If you didnt use dry verm, what did you use? Microporetape??


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9590468 - 01/11/09 04:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i put tape over the holes....thats about it.

RR - so what your saying is that my mycellium will grow but eventually it will die?

i do not think this grow will be a success its just an experiment but its looking good so far. all cakes are colonizing with no contams at all


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: CubensisCutter]
    #9593277 - 01/12/09 04:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

RR, if you think that a BRF ONLY substrate will starve the myc, then what about a VERM ONLY substrate? since you say that verm is a major food source for the fungi, and comes complete with excellent water-holding capabilities?

what then, is the point of adding BRF to the PF-TEK?

BRF is nutritious for the fungi i thought? why would the myc starve from BRF? i don't get it. unless you meant that the myc will starve from the lack of water-holding capacity and airiness of the BRF ONLY substrate?

i wonder, has anyone tried a VERM ONLY substrate?

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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: holycow]
    #9593280 - 01/12/09 04:05 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

dude... RR never said verm was food for mycelium.


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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: P.Menace]
    #9593307 - 01/12/09 04:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Verm may be food, but that doesn't mean it has nutrients. I bet you could eat a bowl of ice cream, but not be so inclined to eat a bowl of flack seed.

Ice cream is delicious, flack seed is good for you. Might have the same situation here, fungi likes to consume verm (thus absorbing moisture), but needs a nutritious part added (BRF) to make it work.

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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9593392 - 01/12/09 05:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Plain flour has been used before, but the vermiculite is a major food source for the fungi, as well as a water reservoir, so all you're doing is starving your mycelium.

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hi P.Menace,

i quoted the above...apparently, unless i misunderstand, RR is saying that verm is food for fungi?

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Re: PF tek w/o vermiculite UPDATE [Re: holycow]
    #9593470 - 01/12/09 06:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Plain flour has been used before, but the vermiculite is a major food source for the fungi, as well as a water reservoir, so all you're doing is starving your mycelium.

RR




hi P.Menace,

i quoted the above...apparently, unless i misunderstand, RR is saying that verm is food for fungi?




Yes he is.


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