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I do not understand ego death.
#9543771 - 01/04/09 01:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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There have been times tripping where I didn't know who/what/where I was. There have been times where I've seen a leg sticking out of a blanket and didn't realize it was mine. There have been times where I couldn't think about myself at all. But I still don't know what ego death is.
Anybody care to explain?
PS. I've never experienced it, don't think I'd care to either.
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Take a milligram of LSD, you will then understand! Happy 420th post!
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: POWAtrippin]
#9543806 - 01/04/09 01:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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At most I've had 10 hits of reasonably powered blotter acid. Still confused.
Thanks! Noticed that it was my 420th, would spark one up but I don't smoke anymore. Hit one for me someone.
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You have invoked one of the phrases of doom.
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Your Destination said: Thanks! Noticed that it was my 420th, would spark one up but I don't smoke anymore. Hit one for me someone.
You noble gentleman.
But yeah... I have trouble understanding "ego death" too.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: JabinWayne]
#9543865 - 01/04/09 01:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ego death by definition is going to be hard to understand. I feel it is a highly individual experience and would be to difficult to explain here
10 blotters does not mean you had a milligram of LSD.
I use ego death as an experience to rebuild my psyche in a more fruitful manner.
Kind of like how the military breaks your mind and rebuilds you into a unit of multiple persons working together in near unison.
The death isn't meant to be understood as far as I gather but the rebirth should be extremely enlightening.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: POWAtrippin]
#9543884 - 01/04/09 01:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Read some of Carl Jung's works.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: ShroomTube]
#9543933 - 01/04/09 01:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had 10 hits on blotter before and it was nothing.
On a different time I had 2 drops of liquid and it was out of this world.
Dosage can vary allot on blotter.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
#9543948 - 01/04/09 01:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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One cm square can hold less than a microgram. It can also hold almost two mgs at maximum absorption using actual blotter paper from what I hear.
One drop can hold 30-50 hits of LSD that is 3-5 mgs. These concentrations are usually just found in master viles.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: POWAtrippin]
#9543973 - 01/04/09 02:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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you will know ego death when it happens.
it's like you die and you merge with the universe.
It's not easy to explain.
The bad part is just trying to figure out how to let go, the ego does not want to die.
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Ego death is an indescribable experience. Its like describing what love means in words, that felling is something to experience. My best way of explaining ego death is experiencing your "me" or "i" consciousness leaving you. Your not John Smith the pilot, 4th child, 29 years old married with 4 kids, this is a hypothetical identity but you get the point. Everything you have an identity with is removed from thought, and all you become is a point of awareness in the universe. Its one of the most amazing/bizarre/blissful/terrifying things a consciousness can undergo imo.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
#9543987 - 01/04/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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GaiaAnnunaki said: I have had 10 hits on blotter before and it was nothing.
On a different time I had 2 drops of liquid and it was out of this world.
Dosage can vary allot on blotter.
I hope you had the hook-ups because where I live cid is $10 per hit, double dipped tabs can run around $15-25. So from "my area" prices you had a bunk experience for over $100, I would be pissed.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: ShroomTube]
#9543999 - 01/04/09 02:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah I never pay for it, friends just hook me up.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
#9544004 - 01/04/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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GaiaAnnunaki said: yeah I never pay for it, friends just hook me up.
Nice
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: POWAtrippin]
#9544010 - 01/04/09 02:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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GreedAndVanity said: 10 blotters does not mean you had a milligram of LSD.
Never said it did. Unless you manufacture the stuff you can't know. I said that's the most I've ever had.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: ShroomTube]
#9544023 - 01/04/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats how it goes in my area.
All my cid hook ups are old ass dead heads though so they just want to promote the vibe or something.
I have only paid for one hit of acid in the last two years and from my experience it was an honest to goodness heavy hit. A couple hundred ug atleast.
Edit- Sorry, I misunderstood you to be saying that ten hits = 1 mg. Because if they are GOOD hits that about what it should be.
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Edited by GreedAndVanity (01/04/09 02:13 PM)
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Cognitive_Shift
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Did you trip hard off 10 blotters? I have taken 5 hits before, but tripped harder off 1 hit before. How potent is your acid?
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Your Destination said: There have been times tripping where I didn't know who/what/where I was. There have been times where I've seen a leg sticking out of a blanket and didn't realize it was mine. There have been times where I couldn't think about myself at all. But I still don't know what ego death is.
Anybody care to explain?
PS. I've never experienced it, don't think I'd care to either.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: POWAtrippin]
#9544043 - 01/04/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Double dipped" is dealer slang for the same exact shit you're getting for 10.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Angel_Above]
#9544053 - 01/04/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Angel_Above said: "Double dipped" is dealer slang for the same exact shit you're getting for 10.
Yep, its just like "double stack" in the E pill scene.
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It was regular stuff I get. I trip pretty hard off 2 hits. Not like it was really weak shit.
Edit: I mean it was the stuff I usually use. From my most reliable connection I guess. Stuff off the same sheet had me melting to the chair at 2 hits.
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Okay so it was pretty damn good acid, even thought hits on the same blotter sheet differ in dose unless manually dropped from a vial rather than layed.
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Angel_Above said: "Double dipped" is dealer slang for the same exact shit you're getting for 10.
Yep, its just like "double stack" in the E pill scene.
Depends on the double stack one. My MDMA connect usually puts X amount of molly into the capsule. When someone requests a double stack he simply doubles the amount and doubles the charge.
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True. But I have no reason to doubt it's strength.
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Whats hard?
Hard for me is total Annihilation of reality replaced only with visions (breaking through).
But Ego Death can actually be achieved on low doses too.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
#9544091 - 01/04/09 02:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I suck at describing the effects of drugs and the strength of mine .
Oh well.
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tripping hard for me means i don't know whats going on, im stuck in another dimension/reality inside my head. If a doctor were to observe my behavior i would be clinically insane.
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I guess it means that I'm in and out of "consciousness" meaning I know where I am. Sometimes. And I'm able to talk. Sometimes.
Even if I know where I am I sometimes say the most random, odd things (usually observations). Or pet the wall. I'd still consider that hard.
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Ego death can't really be explained. Well, it can, but not to its fullest degree. Ego death has to be experienced in order to understand/know what it is.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Munkey106]
#9544288 - 01/04/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ego death has also been called ego-loss, which is actually a mental problem. But old mystics would say that is where you overcame things like time being against you, having subconscious conflicts and even being in a state of Ecstasy but not needing to rant and rave all about it while in the midst (like a lot of confused people on drugs tend to do).
Ego Loss is just being above yourself, we all have been trampled by past negative associations that we can't seem to not let us be bothered by.
Ego death and ego loss are very misinterpreted, they can be very negative or very positive......you can be lost from your ego and become confused and anxious or you can lose the negative aspects that haunt your ego so it is free and without "itself"......just you the viewer seeing things very cosmically, whole and with pleasure.
But once again people on drugs can confuse this issue, you know mystical states when they are there and you don't need to say or think anything......it is simply pure bliss and doing anything to detail the experience robs.
It should be just simply being there, in a highly opiated state or a state where you feel very uplifted by knowing that you are experiencing dying.....but not terrified by it, so yes there are two forms......you can be terrified by ego loss, some people can't reform the ego after being in a vulnerable spot......so we haven't really defined the psychedelic terrain very well.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9544544 - 01/04/09 03:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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take 3 or 4 long, deep inhalations of some potent salvia extract and ego death will kick you in the balls.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9544640 - 01/04/09 04:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is hard indeed to describe ego-loss or ego-death. A good descriptor i like to use is "disassociation."
On a tryptamine hallucinogen, it literally feels like you have "dissociated" from yourself, and become whole, or at one with the universe. This has been compared to what it feels like to die. Others call the chemicals that induce these states "psychotomimetic," or chemicals that mimic schizophrenia or insanity.
I think these chemicals put us in contact with "mind-at-large." Which is my personal take on a pantheistic worldview. The world is a mindscape, and the perceived outside world interacts with, and is part of the interior world.
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Ego death achieved by a heroic dose of a psychedelic will induce one into the experience of having a direct confrontation with the end of their life as they know it, whether or not they can let go will then determine if they have a positive experience of the realization/integration of death by letting go, or they have a bad trip by trying to fight dissolution.
Psychedelics dissolve boundaries.
Ego death, especially after smoking large amounts of DMT, will present itself as a very convincing ultimate dissolution of self, a timeless moment of consummation, which leads to the conclusion that you are in fact dying, but if you are able to let go, you will realize that it's perfectly okay and you will then witness the ineffable.
Ego death can be extremely frightening.
You must prepare yourself for these experiences.
They will confront every antipode and clinging rotten piece of your psyche/unconscious.
What you see after your experience of dying is determined by how "clean" you have made yourself through purification of intentions and motivations.
Some see God.
Some experience hell.
And everywhere in between are extremely bizarre realms inhabited by uncontrolled psychic contents that live within your memories and unconscious. Some call them the self transforming machine elves of autonomous existence, some consider them only manifestations of their current ideological journey overlaid by conscious intentions.
Whatever you call ego death, I believe the best explanation is that you experience something impossible and you come back.
That in itself is the experience.
Ultimate dissolution.
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Anyone ever become sure that their is experience after death, given that some drugs do show something that is like dying but we usually come back......well, to talk about it we do.
I died on nitrous once, went to a very transcendental place where their were trees and the sun was shining through them.....not like earth trees but time slowed down to almost a freeze and they were just so beautiful.
I look forward to trying DMT but saliva hasn't ever done anything to me as far as transportation is concerned.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9545429 - 01/04/09 05:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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DMT will fuck your consciousness with no remorse. You think LSD or Mushrooms are intense, load a pipe of spice, nothing can compare to THE most bizarre/intense thing one can possibly under go.
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Cognitive_Shift said: DMT will fuck your consciousness with no remorse. You think LSD or Mushrooms are intense, load a pipe of spice, nothing can compare to THE most bizarre/intense thing one can possibly under go.
I look forward to it, it's just a ways down on the spending agenda. I would like to get buy some ganja genetics and growing equipment before getting to the extractions....I liked to have good pot with doses, helps mend the world after shattering it as well as a nice stepping stone there...or with shrooms and cactus, helps really bring it on.
I knew some kids smoking orange moth ball DMT years back and they seemed to think high doses was way to intense, they settled just smoking threshold doses........I also knew a kid that lives in C-bus that would smoke about a gram of DMT in a pipe and said he just saw mandala's.......for some reason I wouldn't be surprised if cognitive shift was he........this dude also said he ate a quarter gram of acid crystals......I never know what to believe about this guy anyways, he can get a lot of shit......saw him with a pharmacy sized bottle of Valiums once.....not that I really care for those pills.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9545563 - 01/04/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha no i can assure you that i don't know you in real life my friend, i don't go around buying my DMT of people i hardly know. Nor do i sell anything illegal.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Haha no i can assure you that i don't know you in real life my friend, i don't go around buying my DMT of people i hardly know. Nor do i sell anything illegal.
Good, he is the biggest fucking asshole I have ever known and a liar too........but he has moved a lot of drugs in his short life.....somehow he also gets tons of chicks too, he will steal a girlfriend and they do play that game for some dumb reason.
Seems to be a waste to buy DMT, I'd rather order a kilo or three of some root and just play around with it myself...then I know I got the best deal I could....although if the deal was right and I had the money I would buy some super pure DMT crystals or IV solution...that would be bad ass......like those huge crystals on Erowid, the ultra pure. Although some of the hexane crystals look very good once the colored crystals are separated.....I wonder how bestine/heptane would work
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Your Destination said: Anybody care to explain?
PS. I've never experienced it, don't think I'd care to either.
I will because I don't this that most of the balony I hear about "ego death" is about is really talk about ego death.
The ego is a functional necessity of experience. In order to have experiences, an ego must be present, so it is impossible to experience ego death. The ego is the model of the self, so it is the center of subjective experience: it is what experience happens to.
Your ego dies and is recreated every time you lose subjective awareness. Ego death is something that you go through every night when you fall into deep sleep, but it is never something you experience.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Plasmid]
#9546587 - 01/04/09 07:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plasmid said:
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Your Destination said: Anybody care to explain?
PS. I've never experienced it, don't think I'd care to either.
I will because I don't this that most of the balony I hear about "ego death" is about is really talk about ego death.
The ego is a functional necessity of experience. In order to have experiences, an ego must be present, so it is impossible to experience ego death. The ego is the model of the self, so it is the center of subjective experience: it is what experience happens to.
Your ego dies and is recreated every time you lose subjective awareness. Ego death is something that you go through every night when you fall into deep sleep, but it is never something you experience.
WRONG! The ego is the awareness of one self....that means on average 13% of the mind is aware of itself......you are familiar that we only use on average 13% of the mind.
Ego-loss is when you overcome the subconscious, that means you are using/aware of the other 87%........that is a significant self discover to say the least and why people have such bizarre and unusual experiences to report back.
Do you really believe that you can't experience the full depth of the subconscious? DMT is the model of the subconscious, we all are on DMT but we are only 13% aware of this device within us.
To become 87% aware of DMT and which is possible through other Allies such as LSD, Mushrooms, cactus, the list goes on and on is very impressive.
People have reported very interesting powers by using that 87% of the mind that most ignore and are very afraid to get into touch with.
That is why it remains beyond awareness.......subconscious.
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50+ MG of DMT will show you "ego-death," virtually guaranteed.
IME it's much more dependent on mental exercises with other drugs.
It's not really something that can be explained or communicated, it can only be described, and even then it's really hard. We don't even have a good word for it.
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Tchan909 said: 50+ MG of DMT will show you "ego-death," virtually guaranteed.
IME it's much more dependent on mental exercises with other drugs.
It's not really something that can be explained or communicated, it can only be described, and even then it's really hard. We don't even have a good word for it.
Merging with the Universe always sounded pretty much it, yet people think with their minds to much.......people that have no real experience to associate with such a synchronicity method of exiting the normal world. Most people go to bed and lay around, maybe dream as they are waking up. Most people don't go strait into dreams that are of vision quality or have really lovely dreams that make them feel almost high when they awake.
So ya, most people must take a drug to know or just wait to die.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9546797 - 01/04/09 08:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Merging with the universe" is a pretty good way of describing how it feels, actually, but hard to conceptualize for those who have never done it.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Neuron]
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Yeah, I guess I'll change it when I'm not feeling so lazy...
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
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WRONG! The ego is the awareness of one self....
Telling me that I'm "WRONG" is quite unconvincing. I almost agree. The ego is one's model of one's self, but not necessarily the awareness of one's self. The awareness of one's self is just self-awareness. The ego is the model one has of his/her self (the model of what experience is happening to).
that means on average 13% of the mind is aware of itself......you are familiar that we only use on average 13% of the mind.
That's just bullshit. 87% of your brain isn't turned off. I don't know where you're getting this from, but it doesn't even make sense. If you can offer some kind of substantial or reliable information indicating that this is in fact correct, then please do so, but to say that "we use 13% of our brain" is completely wrong. What's the other 87% doing? Sleeping?
And please don't reply by telling me how stupid and uninformed I am. If you really think I'm uninformed, then point me to an informed source that backs up what you're saying. I'm familiar with the saying that we "only use 10 - 15% of our brains" but I'm familiar with it as being complete and utter nonsense. If you really think this is right, then tell me where I can find this kind of information, because it doesn't even make sense to me.
Ego-loss is when you overcome the subconscious, that means you are using/aware of the other 87%........
Sounds like complete bullshit to me.
Do you really believe that you can't experience the full depth of the subconscious?
Where did I say this? I just don't think that ego death has anything to do with 'experiencing the full depth of the subconscious.'
Honestly, I don't know why you'd listen to that kind of "we only use 10 - 15% of our brain" bullshit (I suppose 13% is supposed to make it sound more specific and accurate). That doesn't even mean jack shit. Explain to me where you got this number from and show me something that backs it up, because this is meaningless gibberish to me. IMO, you're talking complete gibberish.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Plasmid]
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Well, what is gibberish to another is outright language. You probably would have no clue what people are saying all around you in a country that you cannot speak the same language that they do.
I clearly said that at any one given moment we use that much of our brain. I've never heard anyone dispute before that we use more or less than 13% (and I did say that is average) at any given moment.
We do know that there are parts of our mind that we don't normally tap into, we know that drugs bring us to realms of ourselves that were normally subconscious.......that is why people take hallucinogens, to become aware of what was previously subconscious.
I had a nice long interesting experience with an old friend, who had the highest security clearance that anyone in the US can have. He did Intelligence work and are you familiar with MK Ultra and all sorts of things that they did and do? Anyway, I was told "that you must overcome the subconscious".
I don't disagree that the ego is a model, but it is propped up by the subconscious.......so you must work through the subconscious to alter the ego. Most ego's are blinded by how their subconscious has ruled their thinking, this is common; illusions from the mind that the ego hasn't been able to let go of.
13%, 87%, it's obvious that if you used more brain power, a higher percentage that you would have more processing being achieved.
People have overcame the subconscious, this is why yage is drunken as well as other shamanic Allies.......this is the quest.
You have power when you overcome the subconscious, everyone will at death.......it is what constructs your world view, it actually is what created the ego.........it makes sense that your subconscious is larger than the conscious........so just because something isn't activated doesn't mean it doesn't affect.
If you want to debate it or learn what you don't know, be welcome to knock on the doors of the CIA, they surely don't give a shit.
Some people can overcome the noise, the inhibition of the subconscious and "remotely view" locations and events. This has been called astral travel, people grew up with fears from the subconscious. This is where the spirits have left the program for our development and what happens at different stages...as in disorders or even special things like remote viewing/out of body experiences......very strange things that do associate a GREAT DEAL with shamans taking drugs.
I know it isn't clear to me either, I don't think there is a clear line of what the mind is or is not......it is so very fluid, it changes constantly.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
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TreeMoss said: I've never heard anyone dispute before that we use more or less than 13% (and I did say that is average) at any given moment.
I've heard that before but I think it's bullshit. I don't know where that idea came from, but it's not even sensible to me.
I understand what you're saying about becoming aware of things that used to be unconscious while tripping on a hallucinogen, but I don't see how that equates with ego death. It seems to me that if the ego is one's self-awareness then expanding that awareness to include more of the self would be ego expansion, not death.
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Anyway, I was told "that you must overcome the subconscious".
In order to do what? To me, the subconscious is just a term used to describe all of those things that go on inside our heads that we're not aware of them. Ever read any of Oliver Sacks' books, like The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat? What goes on in the subconscious is well illustrated by that book because it shows what happens when very specific pieces are missing. The subconscious does all of the work in putting together a model of reality, from correcting color because it's dark outside to seeing the "Necker cube" in two different ways. The idea of becoming consciously aware of all that seems like it would just be confusing, though I do agree that some of what goes on during hallucinogen use is that people are becoming aware of previously subconscious aspects of their minds.
Some people can overcome the noise, the inhibition of the subconscious and "remotely view" locations and events. This has been called astral travel . . .
I've never seen anything convincing of it and I also can't really see why our minds would have that ability. I think Karl Jansen, the author of Ketamine: Dreams and Realities gives a really rough hypothesis for a 'quantum mental modem' and I can imagine a lot of vague possibilities, but I'm not convinced of things like this. I'm still not quite sure what it has to do with ego death. I suppose your idea of ego death may be the exact opposite of mine: I see it as a complete loss of conscious awareness. Everything you're talking about seems to have to do with expanding awareness even well beyond the limits of one's body. I suppose ego death in your view involves expanding to the point where one has merged with the rest of the universe? That certainly is the exact opposite of how I see it, if this is indeed what you take ego death to mean.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Plasmid]
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Well it is ego expansion to the point where it ceases, it no longer needs to be.
The ego is confined but it can integrate with the subconscious and this is ego death.......it is not all that different than calling it subconscious death.
The 13% probably comes from brain scans seeing activated areas, as you can see not all of the brain is as activated as it could light up....saying that it is even possible to light it all the way up, but more or less.
I don't know where they get that either, I can't even Google it since it's such a weak search.
Shadow work, Carl Jung spoke a lot about it and so did shaman....this is the process of overcoming the shadow/subconscious.
I don't find that most people using only 13% of the mind at any given moment is unsensible.......but I don't confuse it with that we only ever use in our total life 13%.
I do believe in remote viewing however, it's not what you may think. It is a slight ability and one that has been proven, people drawing thing of a place and this being the target. I have had several dreams come true where I dreamed something highly specific that came true at a later date.........I can go into more detail in a PM.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
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The "ego" that is referred to in the term ego-death is specifically the ego defined by Sigmund Freud. So if the ego dies then that leave the Id and the Super-ego. The Id is mostly instincts and basic drives, which is why during ego death you still might get up to get some water and not realize it, or run like hell from that flying eye bat monster that just crawled out of the toilet. The Ego contains our individual consciousness and it is where we define reality. The Super-ego contains our conscience and our personal spiritual ideals which is why during ego loss some experience heaven, god, hell, nothing, or the universe. Everyone has their own opinion on what ego loss is, but this is where the term originated and to me it makes a lot of sense in describing the experience of ego-death (and yes you can experience it, because even though ego is the sense of I doesn't mean that ego IS I)
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
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Ya I am familiar and agree with that, yet it says little about the subconscious......Jung was more into that area.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
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what i was hoping to point out with that definition is that ego death has nothing to do with the subconscious. the conscious and subconscious are seperate ideas from id, ego and super-ego. but it is very true that the psychedelic experience in general includes subconscious becoming more noticable and almost conscious as one of the many effects.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
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psilyguy said: what i was hoping to point out with that definition is that ego death has nothing to do with the subconscious. the conscious and subconscious are seperate ideas from id, ego and super-ego. but it is very true that the psychedelic experience in general includes subconscious becoming more noticable and almost conscious as one of the many effects.
I agree although the Id and superego seem to stem from the subconscious, as you can have supressed/denied Id waiting to haunt you waking mind later on......or "guides" if you will that allow you to work with your superego that lay in the shadow.
I have noticed that the subconscious on a trip seems to be a higher power, I am not saying I have ever had power....really magical power but my subconscious is a force of it's own and something that has surprised not only me but another. Seeing your subconscious when you are awake and not dreaming is amazing, it can be when your dreaming too.
I was talking to a therapist in a dream last night, and for some reason their voice became very hypnotic and I started to close my eyes in this session. I started to see mountains in my third eye in this dream, I've never looked within in a dream before; it was neat.
It seems to me that the subconscious is a greatly entity than myself, since my full self has not been allowed to exist in this dark world. We take drugs with the hope in mind to allow the subconscious to come out and play, some find this scary and dangerous as it is a power.
When people say on yage that their mind turned off a light with a thought, it isn't as if they had the conscious will when they are sober to do such a thing. I have shared hallucinations with a friend on LSD and could influence what we were seeing, although some was beyond my influence and we really saw something as real as day......something just manifest out of nowhere and run all over my hands as I felt like I was dying but couldn't ever die......I was so freaking high!
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
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none of the id, ego or super-ego are entirely conscious or subconscious. id and super-ego do not stem from subconscious because they also act in the conscious in certain ways. conscious/subconscious have NOTHING to do with id, ego and super-ego.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
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So your saying that they are completely separate, I don't quite buy that although I do some.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9547684 - 01/04/09 10:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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i was in a way mistaken, the id is totally unconscious. but the ego and super-ego are not entirely conscious or unconscious.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
#9547721 - 01/04/09 10:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would think a lot of the super-ego is subconscious......Catholics on LSD have remarkable stories!
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
#9547722 - 01/04/09 10:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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but yes i am saying that the concept of the psychic apparatus is seperate from the concept of consciousness
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
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psilyguy said: but yes i am saying that the concept of the psychic apparatus is seperate from the concept of consciousness
well, yes the concept is separate
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9547741 - 01/04/09 10:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude you can can kill your ego and still have your Super Ego.
Ever read freud? The mind was three sections ID, EGO, and Super EGO.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
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TreeMoss said: I would think a lot of the super-ego is subconscious......Catholics on LSD have remarkable stories!
according to freuds definitions it isn't, but everyone has a different interpretation of their own subjective experiences.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
#9547759 - 01/04/09 10:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well he needed to separate them and in thoughts you can pretty much separate them if you want since his idea of what was awareness and what wasn't had little to do with where they mesh yet he did mesh things.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9547795 - 01/04/09 10:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol, this is going on longer then i meant. i was originally just trying to clarify what ego is based on freuds definitions. also i have said twice now everyone has their own opinion of what it is. my point in doing this was because you kept saying people were wrong when there is no right answer.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
#9547813 - 01/04/09 10:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never said anyone was wrong........If me stating that I don't believe something doesn't mean that I am saying they are wrong.....I would say that they were wrong if I actually wanted them to know that they were wrong.
I agree, it is up to the person. But my view of what is conscious and what is not conscious is in my own head and in peoples heads they can view however and whatever they chose.......unless you believe in the subconscious determining for us resulting in less choice...ha ha ha.
It has a large goof factor really, but people have given us good ideas; foundations to think on.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9547832 - 01/04/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you want to get metaphysical I would say your brain is the ego, and ego death is the soul leaving behind the brain and merging with the other.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
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Your Destination said: Anybody care to explain?
PS. I've never experienced it, don't think I'd care to either.
I will because I don't this that most of the balony I hear about "ego death" is about is really talk about ego death.
The ego is a functional necessity of experience. In order to have experiences, an ego must be present, so it is impossible to experience ego death. The ego is the model of the self, so it is the center of subjective experience: it is what experience happens to.
Your ego dies and is recreated every time you lose subjective awareness. Ego death is something that you go through every night when you fall into deep sleep, but it is never something you experience.
WRONG! The ego is the awareness of one self....that means on average 13% of the mind is aware of itself......you are familiar that we only use on average 13% of the mind.
Ego-loss is when you overcome the subconscious, that means you are using/aware of the other 87%........that is a significant self discover to say the least and why people have such bizarre and unusual experiences to report back.
Do you really believe that you can't experience the full depth of the subconscious? DMT is the model of the subconscious, we all are on DMT but we are only 13% aware of this device within us.
To become 87% aware of DMT and which is possible through other Allies such as LSD, Mushrooms, cactus, the list goes on and on is very impressive.
People have reported very interesting powers by using that 87% of the mind that most ignore and are very afraid to get into touch with.
That is why it remains beyond awareness.......subconscious.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
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i dont really agree with what plasmid said, but this is why i was just throwing out the definitions, because everyone has a different definition, and my cause is hopeless lol
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
#9547855 - 01/04/09 10:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I just don't like that asshole
and it's true, the ego is your awareness of yourself......the subconscious's ego is the conscious self/ego.
I've only seen it as two parts, the conscious self and the unconscious self......I've noticed that obviously I am aware of myself, but then there is a part of my mind aware of things to bring into the awareness of me......my ego......the voice in my head.
I just plain don't like Plasmid, at all; he hardly ever addresses directly what he criticizes in the most off the wall ways...except OCCASIONALLY........usually after a huge section of misinterpretation and rantings and ravings of such misunderstandings......filled with huge statements of his grander and self worth.
Although I haven't heard from Plasmid since mentioning a thing or two that should scare people.........has scared me some, a good bit of some that comes out as anger/fire and revenge that gets me screwed.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9547870 - 01/04/09 10:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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well Your_Destination, now you know, no one really knows what ego-death is so you are not alone
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
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psilyguy said: i dont really agree with what plasmid said, but this is why i was just throwing out the definitions, because everyone has a different definition, and my cause is hopeless lol
No you were quite clear and it isn't hopeless, but you never stated if this was personally accepted by you yourself.
I guess I understand how the id and superego are their own processes....but I can see how they must be attached to the subcon and the con.....they just must be to be used as I understand.......which according to PLasmid and number guy......utterly nothing, since I am not a real thinker and my thoughts are benign processes.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9547893 - 01/04/09 10:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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personally i realize that defining ego-death is kinda pointless, it doesn't really mean anything. its just an experience that doesn't have any set guidelines. i think it in itself is infinite so it must have infinite descriptions. which is why i said my cause is hopeless cause i don't know what my cause is anymore lol.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9547904 - 01/04/09 10:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I understand what Plasmid says, but I think he has problem with the name "ego death".
Maybe he is right, that we are calling "Ego Death" by the wrong term.
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Ego Death is a term that means something other than just ending consciousness it's about expanding it to infinity, maybe it's the wrong words, but thats what it is general accepted to mean.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
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I have heard/read a definition of ego loss that is not at all flattering as to a higher experience.
I think it would be best to say that ego loss is not being lost in the midst of the ego.....ramblings and confusion is not what the seeker seeks......point blank, some times a tripping mind cannot find that quite......so I call that ego loss, things just settle and then the visions start.
The ego loss I read looked like shit, it was a medical definition and not our Mystical states.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9548558 - 01/05/09 12:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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what you are describing now sounds similar to removing yourself from interpersonal games as described in Leary's version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead where it is described how to attain one state of being that could be considered ego-death or enlightenment. Pretty interesting stuff. Any self-proclaimed psychonaut should read. http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/leary_timothy/leary_timothy_lsd1.shtml
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: psilyguy]
#9548574 - 01/05/09 12:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smoke the spice, let your body experience other realities. I love you, however experience the other and you will see true love.
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I wouldn't say that love is more true with one drug or another, it really depends on your trip.
A lot of it has to do with what other chemicals the drug experience releases.....like with DMT releasing endorphins, I have had the most opiated experience of my life from shrooms and pot mixed, it was total ecstasy.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9548603 - 01/05/09 12:37 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have your ever slammed Heroin?
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I don't like needles, I used to see my old man inject insulin and he was usually freaked out just poking his leg.......I get pretty weird just having blood drawn.......I'd rather snort it or put a little on some pot...but I've never seen heroin in person.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9551667 - 01/05/09 03:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I bet shooting heroin's a more opiated experience than shrooms + weed.
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No man really, this was a non-ordinary mystical experience.
It was actually tobacco that put me into the trance that started the highly opiated situation.....my body was coursing with an opiated orgasmic sensation.
It was very rare and only happened that one time, then came back about a week later when I was smoking weed........It was so sexual I had to lay down as the room was just filled with a nice rythm and pink floyds "one of these days" was playing.......the texture of the music was so rich.
The Ecstasy is a mystical state, it just happened to me and then I read about it later.......I would LOVE to have this happen more, nothing has ever been so pleasurable in all of my life.
I wish everyone could feel what this is like, a lot of endorphins must of been release.......it was very much ego-loss, something just transformed in my mind after smoking a joint.
It was a weird night, I thought the shrooms where done then we went to see someone out of town and see a meteor shower. We were smoking a joint and some friends started to sing a ween song, some song about looking for a spark and they were really good, totally in harmony.
Anyway, I started to notice not the pot but the fungus then wanted to sit down......after seeing trails from a semi stretch some ways, then I sat down and it happened........a totally FREAKY feeling came over me, I became so scared; to afraid to even react but it subsided and then the mystical part came....the chick I was with seemed to react to my confused brainwaves before things cleared.......but then my vision opened up and She became all mystical with rainbows and the general overall picture was more uniform and well...living...then I saw some kind of Celtic deep purple bird that was a Celtic cross, very vividly in my third eye and it did some things
but on the way out I smoked a cig in the car and fell into Ecstasy as the girl was tripping about water dripping on her head....she was just out there..but I was in light man, totally opiated.....very shamanic/mystical
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9551726 - 01/05/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had that ecstatic sensation before, it goes well beyond orgasmic when it hits a crescendo. It's the best feeling I've ever had. It's absolutely shocking how intense it is. I doubt heroin could come close. I don't think it has anything to do with endorphins, I think it's a psychological thing. It comes simply from allowing yourself to feel that great.
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Tchan909 said: I have had that ecstatic sensation before, it goes well beyond orgasmic when it hits a crescendo. It's the best feeling I've ever had. It's absolutely shocking how intense it is. I doubt heroin could come close. I don't think it has anything to do with endorphins, I think it's a psychological thing. It comes simply from allowing yourself to feel that great.
Well, ya; Ecstasy and Orgasmic is just a way to define; although I have never nutted that powerfully before......but when I came home since I wasn't going home with pussy........sadly, I jacked off and it was the best tantric shit ever......it just made the orgasmic opiated shit so much better with working in the rhythm......I didn't even have to bust a nut and usually that is quite not the case.
I think people abusing MDMA has ruined the very definition of Ecstasy, that is why I use the mystical term THE ECSTASY.
but I must disagree about the endorphins, DMT is known to release many other hormones such as endorphins.....the pleasure chemicals that are natural opiates.........and this isn't exercise endorphins levels, but way beyond.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9559240 - 01/06/09 06:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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TreeMoss said: Although I haven't heard from Plasmid since mentioning a thing or two that should scare people.........has scared me some,
Are you trying to suggest that I'm purposefully ignoring something you've said? Anything I've ignored, like claims about astral travel, is something I've ignored because I think you're mistaken (or full of shit) and was just not bothering to waste my time to ask you to demonstrate anything.
Others mentioned Freud's definitions, but I simply don't like Freud's work and think he never bothered to examine his own ideas critically.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Plasmid]
#9559322 - 01/06/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya, I like Jung but Freud isn't that interesting but he did define some new ideas...like the ego, Id and superego.
Astral Travel, well people have gone places and that isn't to dispute; if someone went to a dream world on a drug more power to them. Or if two people have gone to a world that is a like and share the story later that is cool as well.
I don't confuse Astral Travel with say Astral Reception/viewing, that is a pretty established ability that some people have.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9559469 - 01/06/09 06:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lots of interesting information here.
http://www.egodeath.com/
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Arden]
#9559614 - 01/06/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is way to much shit, what it means to someone should be based on experience and well correlating with what others have said that you agree or fee or communicative with.
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: TreeMoss]
#9559838 - 01/06/09 07:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is way to much shit,
Yes, the psychedelics due tend to involve a lot of "shit".
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: Arden]
#9559904 - 01/06/09 07:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plasmid what is your philosophy?
That everyone is full of shit?
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Re: I do not understand ego death. [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
#9559913 - 01/06/09 07:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently Plasmid is better than the CIA
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