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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9524229 - 12/31/08 05:31 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

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I have wondered what an alien species would think. 




that's easy "you know fred, one day those bastards are going to
achieve intergalactic space travel despite their own efforts toward
self destruction, whaddaya say we just zap 'em now before anyone
notices they're here?"


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9524255 - 12/31/08 05:37 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

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niteowl said:
I think a better word to use is "organic", "natural" is too vague.

Organic drugs are not nearly as dangerous as synthetic drugs.






what then do we say about things liek Volatile Organic Compounds,
you know... stuff like Methylethylketone, Toluene, Acetone?


Organic is in the name, crude oil is organic I dont believe
it's good for you to consume




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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: twighead]
    #9524351 - 12/31/08 06:06 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9524496 - 12/31/08 06:37 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

although i guess i have a little bit of the "natural = better" prejudice in me, it really is stupid to assume that just because something is natural that it's better...death caps are all natural!


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: Pigasus]
    #9524687 - 12/31/08 07:08 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

It is all chemistry, and sometimes it doesn't make a difference.

Compare synthetic and natural vitamin supplements for example.

That said, people make a ton of mistakes when they design and make something. Plus they can be quite reckless.


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: flexintexan]
    #9524708 - 12/31/08 07:13 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

in the defense of natural, when it comes to nourishing your body,
it's better to try and find a source that grows naturally that your
body doesnt object to, for instance if you cant eat citrus, an even
better source of vitamin C is bell peppers, better still is jujube

with the mass produced crap what kind of fillers are in it, what
flavors did they add will it provide other nutrients?


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: niteowl]
    #9524848 - 12/31/08 07:46 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

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Organic drugs are not nearly as dangerous as synthetic drugs.




This is really just absolute nonsense.
You're confused about what the term "organic" means.  Synthetic drugs usually are organic.  Heroin is an organic chemical.  However, just because a drug is produced by a non-human organism doesn't mean that it is any more safe.  The most deadly substances known are made by living organisms (non-humans), so the simple fact is that it is wrong to believe that drugs produced by "nature" are less dangerous than drugs synthesized in a laboratory.

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The human body is not capable of processing "purified" drugs. The liver cant handle them.




This is complete nonsense.  Absolute, utter nonsense.  This is so far from being true that I don't even know where to start.  Your body has no idea if a substance was produced by another organism or was synthesized by a human being.  Dextromethorphan for example, is synthesized, but it is easily metabolized.

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Therefor all organic drugs should be legal.
All synthetic drugs (alcohol, cocaine, meth, LSD....etc) should be strongly regulated.




LSD is an organic substance. 
Cocaine is naturally occurring and is an organic substance.  Cocaine can also be synthesized.  Did you not know that cocaine is also made by a plant?  Most cocaine sold on the market is not synthesized in a laboratory.
Alcohol is produced by living organisms.
You don't seem to understand the meaning of the term "organic."  You do understand that organic chemicals can be synthesized in a laboratory?

What about drugs which have been found in nature (such as morphine) but can  also be synthesized?  What if LSD was one day found in nature?  There is absolutely no reason to think that a plant or bacteria or other organism could produce LSD.

Why is it that if an organism (other than human beings) has synthesized a chemical that you think it is somehow inherently less dangerous?  Do you have any idea how many poisonous substances occur in 'nature'?


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9524867 - 12/31/08 07:56 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

The only defense for natural i would say is: that humans have been exposed to these substances for thousands of years, thus the results of their usage is generally better known and (somewhat) more predictable.
Kind of like the theory on why plutonium is one of the most toxic substances known to man; because life has never been exposed to it before.


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: twighead]
    #9525135 - 12/31/08 09:22 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

OK twighead, so like i said before, how would the body distinguish between synthesized psilocybin, and naturally occurring psilocybin?
like plasmid said, the human body can't tell the difference.

I'm sure there are still chemicals that occur naturally that we have not yet discovered, are they still more predictable?


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: Artnotwar]
    #9525266 - 12/31/08 09:59 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

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OK twighead, so like i said before, how would the body distinguish between synthesized psilocybin, and naturally occurring psilocybin?
like plasmid said, the human body can't tell the difference.

I'm sure there are still chemicals that occur naturally that we have not yet discovered, are they still more predictable?




No, you're right, I was only refering to chemicals that are only synthetic and are likely to never be found in nature, such as transfats, which were thought to be safe when first synthesized and took years to discover their dangerous effects on life; probably attributing to the negative stigma towards synthetics.

Its not the fact its synthetic itself that makes it harmful, its the fact it takes a long time to fully understand a substance no matter how advanced your science is, and often that time isn't taken and a synthetic substance is shown to be harmful once already put to use.


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: twighead]
    #9525284 - 12/31/08 10:03 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

sometimes those results are known before the products are released
but they deem it more profitable to worry about the lawsuits that
will spring up in 20 years after they've made billions


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: twighead]
    #9525654 - 12/31/08 11:48 PM (9 years, 24 days ago)

i see exactly what you're saying, but that is a matter of a newly discovered chemical VS a chemical that is known for hundreds/thousands of years. NOT naturally occuring VS man made.


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Re: Synthetic Unnatural? [Re: Artnotwar]
    #9525724 - 01/01/09 12:07 AM (9 years, 24 days ago)

sure, but with most newly discovered chemicals being synthetic the unreasonable fear bleeds over. None of this reflects my actual views, just trying to comprehend what goes through the average persons mind :laugh:


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