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mushroom people
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Maybe some people should study up on shamanism so they can raise the level of their posts above mocking or but out if you have nothing to offer.
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igwna
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some people should learn to take a joke
i always kinda digged the idea of mushrooms being sentient and that in ingesting them we take each other for a ride.
they see what i see and i see what they see. and all that jazz
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: igwna]
#9527092 - 01/01/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I took some synthetic psilocybin and met the synthetic psilocybin people.
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igwna
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were they very materialistic? or what?
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Edited by igwna (01/01/09 11:38 AM)
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: igwna]
#9527114 - 01/01/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol
I think I may have been offered a ride in a trip before, my mushroom people take the form of rainbow colored cartoon versions of grey aliens. I guess they know I like sci-fi.
But really, if you have stayed? Would that mean you would die in the real world?
Or be like totally zonked out of it in cationic state?
Is this what happens to people who jump out windows?
Could explain the mass suicides of weird cults too.
I would just visit them from time to time and get the best of both worlds.
Sounds awesome, scary and freaky.
As for they only come when they call, this summer I was writing a story intensely about my mushroom experiences and right outside my window a local variety of psychedelic mushrooms started to grow overnight. craziness
I don't smoke pot anymore so I do not know anyone that sells or can get any type of drugs, but yet the mushrooms always show up, when I start reading about or listening to Mckenna talks. A friend have not seen in a long time will show up and be like here man have some shrooms.
They come when they are needed.
:P
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Edited by GaiaAnnunaki (01/01/09 11:50 AM)
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mushroom people
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: igwna]
#9527295 - 01/01/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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skcorrelyt said: some people should learn to take a joke
i always kinda digged the idea of mushrooms being sentient and that in ingesting them we take each other for a ride.
they see what i see and i see what they see. and all that jazz
Sorry, I am used to being attacked for not subscribing to the atheist skeptic view that dominates this forum.
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Sorry, I am used to being attacked
Really? So it is 'you' who is being attacked? Example please.
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for not subscribing to the atheist skeptic view
Oh, so it is not you, but your ideas. So some people (not all like your over-generalization) choose to debate these ideas in a debate forum. Whatever were they thinking?
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mushroom people
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
#9527341 - 01/01/09 12:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, I know that they would not put me in a position where I was in a catatonic state or dead. They did go on to talk about a blending of the worlds. Which seems to go along with some other things I have been reading about.
Edited by mushroom people (01/01/09 01:02 PM)
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mushroom people
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Sorry, I am used to being attacked
Really? So it is 'you' who is being attacked? Example please.
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for not subscribing to the atheist skeptic view
Oh, so it is not you, but your ideas. So some people (not all like your over-generalization) choose to debate these ideas in a debate forum. Whatever were they thinking?
If you ever leave the troll business and come up with something constructive and sincere I will make a serious effort to answer you.
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Translation: You cannot answer because you were merely making an emotional and baseless rant.
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mushroom people
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I apologized to the guy because I did respond to him out of frustration. If you look at this thread first grav says the mushroom people are hallucinations. Then in a seemingly patronizing way she says "oh I know them too". Then Awsomebastard says lay off the drugs, then skcorrelyt says something about sending the space ship. You posted about synthetic psilocybin brings synthetic mushroom people.
Do you not see how I feel that, ok, my "ideas" are being mocked, not debated. So yes I do get frustrated, which is an emotion. Sorry that I have emotions. Shamanism is a valid spiritual system, I do not want to be sent to the M&P land of UFOs, Bigfoot and the illuminate.
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Tell me where I am amiss. If the Mushroom People are real then:
1. Synthetic psilocybin would have an entirely different effect and one would be able to tell them apart. (To my knowledge, no one can.)
2. They would appear the same to all trippers who contact them. (They don't.)
3. One would be able to bring back some external information that they don't already know. (Once again - a fail.)
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mushroom people
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OrgoneConclusion said: Tell me where I am amiss. If the Mushroom People are real then:
1. Synthetic psilocybin would have an entirely different effect and one would be able to tell them apart. (To my knowledge, no one can.)
2. They would appear the same to all trippers who contact them. (They don't.)
3. One would be able to bring back some external information that they don't already know. (Once again - a fail.)
1. As I already posted psylocybin puts you into a trance state where you can connect with the spirits. Trance states can be achieved through various means, such as drumming, chanting, dancing(voodoo), scrying (crystal balls), drugs, I am sure there are more.
2. You are assuming that they are physical entities with a distinct and unchangable form. I do not actually see them, I talk to them and have dream like visuals that are used to help explain the concept.
3. I have received information I did not know before. One concrete example is that I asked for some herbal remedies for a specific condition. I was given two names. I looked them up on the internet and they were recommended to be taken together to treat the condition I had.
Less concrete I have been shown psychological and spiritual concepts that I have found very helpful.
Anecdotally, if you read about shamanism there are many examples of spirits helping people heal sickness, find food, ect.
Do you think they are going to tell me how to turn lead into gold? You cannot project what you think they would do, act like or be like on to them.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Tell me where I am amiss. If the Mushroom People are real then:
1. Synthetic psilocybin would have an entirely different effect and one would be able to tell them apart. (To my knowledge, no one can.)
This is completely illogical. Psilocybin is what produces the psychedelic effects when ingested; how would synthetic vs. plant-grown psilocybin differ from each other? More to the point, what does this have to do with the existence or nonexistence of psychedelic entities? If these entities are contactable via ingestion of magic mushrooms, then they are de facto contactable via ingestion of synthetic psilocybin.
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2. They would appear the same to all trippers who contact them. (They don't.)
3. One would be able to bring back some external information that they don't already know. (Once again - a fail.)
All I see here are assumptions about the nature of the Mushroom People, and then gestures towards absurdity on the basis of these possibly flawed assumptions.
Allow me to make the following counterpoints: Does a flower have the same color to two different people? And are you saying that no person has ever gained a spiritual or psychological insight from a psychedelic trip?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: deCypher]
#9527706 - 01/01/09 02:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is completely illogical. Psilocybin is what produces the psychedelic effects when ingested; how would synthetic vs. plant-grown psilocybin differ from each other? More to the point, what does this have to do with the existence or nonexistence of psychedelic entities?
It is illogical if people claim that they are talking to the spirit of the mushroom itself and that same spirit manifests when doing a synthetic chemical.
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All I see here are assumptions about the nature of the Mushroom People
As Mushroom People stated, he cannot really see them and they are not really people. It is truly hard to discuss such a nebulous concept in any detail.
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Does a flower have the same color to two different people?
You are majorly slipping here. I would wager any amount that you wish, that I could show a flower to several different artists and all would draw something recognizable to a third party and the same cannot be true about MP.
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OrgoneConclusion said: It is illogical if people claim that they are talking to the spirit of the mushroom itself and that same spirit manifests when doing a synthetic chemical.
I see no problem with people talking to the spirit of the mushroom itself. Which came first; the mushroom or the chemical that was synthesized to replicate the effects of the mushroom? If a spirit supposedly manifests with the former, then it should damn well manifest with the latter.
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OrgoneConclusion said:I would wager any amount that you wish, that I could show a flower to several different artists and all would draw something recognizable to a third party and the same cannot be true about MP.
It's more of a matter of degree here than a black-and-white "flowers are objectively comparable" and "mushroom people are not objectively comparable." I would veer on the side that although the messengers might vary, the message conveyed is pretty damn similar from person to person. Why else do we see so many psychedelic insights that "All is One", for instance?
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: deCypher]
#9527843 - 01/01/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If a spirit supposedly manifests with the former, then it should damn well manifest with the latter.
I was going to counter, but because you used the word 'damn' for emphasis, I have no choice but to back down.
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deCypher
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Looks like I'll have to start consistently using profanity from now on, goddamnit.
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: deCypher]
#9529639 - 01/01/09 09:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The trance state is a weird/amazing place to be.
It's really the only worth while reason for me to eat mushrooms or do any psychedelic for that matter.
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Re: You don't have to go back [Re: Grav]
#9530955 - 01/02/09 06:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grav said: the mushroom people are a hallucination
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