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Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois
    #9521949 - 12/31/08 02:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

As you all know he is accused of trying to sell the senate seat, and now he has just filled it. I don't think he sold the seat though, but i do believe he was trying as hard as he could to do so. I think he did this to make himself look good since he appointed a supposedly good man. The guy he appointed will be the only black senator.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9521969 - 12/31/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

and of course he expects the public to trust his integrity :nonono:


thankfully no one will sign off on that appointment

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9521976 - 12/31/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

well maybe that he is a good choice for the senate seat, it just doesn't seem like he is because of Blagojevich
is there anything wrong with his choice though


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9521989 - 12/31/08 02:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

he may be the best official gor the job but this is a situation
where someone exposed of corruption is possibly dragging the
good name of another official through the mud with him, he
should have stepped aside and allowed someone else to make the
appointment, that would have helped Blago to save a little face

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9522059 - 12/31/08 02:47 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There's no way the Senate is gonna approve this guy, and the Senate approves almost everyone.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: walzmanm]
    #9522078 - 12/31/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So the guy is just Blagojevich's tool, how sad...


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9522128 - 12/31/08 03:24 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> So the guy is just Blagojevich's tool, how sad...

What is really sad is that the guy would let himself be used by Blagojevich in this manner.  Given all that has happened, and all the people against Blagojevich appointing a Senator, who in their right mind would accept such an appointment?


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9522174 - 12/31/08 03:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

ya what was he thinking, maybe that any publicity is good publicity.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9523195 - 12/31/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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> So the guy is just Blagojevich's tool, how sad...

What is really sad is that the guy would let himself be used by Blagojevich in this manner.





maybe he's not being used, maybe there is still a shady deal
going on, Burris runs a political consulting firm and could
just be seeking more power than his comptroller or attorney
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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9523232 - 12/31/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> maybe he's not being used, maybe there is still a shady deal going on

Always a possibility, but with the attention such an appointment will get, it would be asinine to play such a move.  Of course, these are politicians being discussed; not the most humble, law abiding citizens out there.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9523378 - 12/31/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I like to work on assumption, in politics I always assume they
do everything in their own best interest, that they're are no
honest politicians and that regardless of how things pan out,
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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9524267 - 12/31/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So can this new senator be removed before elections?


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: nw_shroomy]
    #9524438 - 12/31/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

this new senator can be refused by the senate, they have the
authority by a 2/3 vote to refuse him the seat

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9524534 - 12/31/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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this new senator can be refused by the senate, they have the
authority by a 2/3 vote to refuse him the seat




I was going to note that too.  Is there any indication that they would do that?  I don't think that this man was part of the scandal at all, nor do I see any reason why he would be a bad pick for this temporary role.  The GOP might block him out of partisan principle, but that leaves more than 20 votes to be desired.  There will have to be some sort of puclic outcry for that to happen in my opinion, and my guess is that that won't come to fruition, especially with attention being elsewhere because of the holidays.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9524544 - 12/31/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9524675 - 12/31/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Is there any indication that they would do that?  I don't think that this man was part of the scandal at all




as I was saying, he could be the best candidate for the seat,
absolutely clean but the association with Blago covers him in mud


if they wanted to do some damage then Blago should have appointed a republican

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9524735 - 12/31/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Wait, how does that last part make any sense?

The way I see it is that the Dems should be more afraid of losing that seat in a special election because the scandal could skew the results, more than they should be afraid of the appearance of impropriety.  That's especially true if the candidate looks clean.

What they could do now is rather than appoint this guy, put Burress up for election, with their full support.  They could only do that if Obama got in line, in which case, there would really be no contest.  It would avoid the very damaging scenario of them actually losing.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9524827 - 12/31/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's all smoke and mirrors. The Dems will seat him.
Washigton is just pissed at Blagobitch.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9524828 - 12/31/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Wait, how does that last part make any sense?




why besmirch another democrat when you can give blago fleas to the republicans

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put Burress up for election, with their full support.




I believe he'll have political leprosy for a while now

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9524846 - 12/31/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose that makes a limited sort of sense, but it would be too obvious of a move and would likely backfire.  I'm sure that someone has at least thought about it though, those conniving bastards.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9527119 - 01/01/09 11:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think anything he does at this point is going to blow up in his face

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9527338 - 01/01/09 12:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I LOL at this idiot. American CNN and such would rather talk about this piece of garbage (who really does not matter) than the atrocities being committed by Israel. smh


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9551560 - 01/05/09 02:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Democrats may block Burris from seat — physically


Senate Democratic leaders think Roland Burris, Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich's pick to fill President-elect Barack Obama's vacant Senate seat, will likely show up on Capitol Hill Tuesday for the opening day of Congress, according to a Democratic aide familiar with Senate Democratic leaders' plans.

They have prepared a contingency plan in case he does, the aide added.

Burris will not be allowed on the Senate floor, according to this aide and a Senate Democratic leadership aide.
The aide familiar with Senate Democratic leaders’ plans said if Burris tries to enter the Senate chamber, the Senate doorkeeper will stop Burris. If Burris were to persist, either trying to force his way onto the Senate floor or refusing to leave and causing a scene, U.S. Capitol Police would stop him, said the aide.
“They (police) probably won’t arrest him” but they would call the sergeant-at-arms,” the aide said.
When asked about what would happen if he shows up and tries to be seated, Burris told the Chicago Tribune that he’s, “not going to create a scene in Washington.” He added, “We hope it’s negotiated out prior to my going to Washington.”



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/01/aides-democrats-have-plan-if-burris-shows-up/




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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9551574 - 01/05/09 02:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This can't be serious news.  Surely they have lawyers to tell them that even if this is in fact legal, which I doubt, that it's an affront to democracy


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9551638 - 01/05/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Only us little people have to obey their laws.....


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9554116 - 01/05/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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this new senator can be refused by the senate, they have the
authority by a 2/3 vote to refuse him the seat





Authority?  Seems like that's illegal to me and bad policy.  This was a properly made appointment.  The fact that people are talking about physically blocking his access is ridiculous.

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Section 3. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.


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He was properly appointed and they have no buisness blocking his seating.  If they want to make new qualifications or something it seems like they can, but they have to apply to everyone equally and they can't just say he's not qualified by a vote under the fourteenth amendment.  Seems quite similar to bush v gore with that.


If they want to expell him it seems like they have the authority, but why are people talking about refusing to seat him?  This seems like an afront to the constitution.  Any body who tries to physically block this man should be arrested and any senator who does so or orders such should be expelled.

The people have a right to have their representatives seated according to the constitution, and just cuz he's unpopular, actually percisely because he's unpopular, doesn't mean the legislature has the authority to or should block him from being seated.

Does anyone have authority to the contrary or wish to defend these proposed actions?  If I got my representative to congress to enact my views, they would be quite unpopular.  I don't want the same bastards that have destroyed our budget and our rights to have the ability to refuse entry to their club anyone who would dare differ with them.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9554143 - 01/05/09 09:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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This can't be serious news.  Surely they have lawyers to tell them that even if this is in fact legal, which I doubt, that it's an affront to democracy




He can name anyone he pleases.  The Senate has to agree to seat that person, and the Senate has already said they will seat nobody that he appoints.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: TGRR]
    #9554176 - 01/05/09 09:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Source for the proposition that the senate has to agree to seat him?  I've cited my authority.  He was properly appointed and that's that.  I see no requirement that the senate approve.

The state and people of illinois are to blame (legislature almost exclusivly) for this bullshit.  If they had gotten off their asses and though further ahead than the next opportunity to 'save the children' by putting them in jail, they could have stopped this.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: johnm214]
    #9554203 - 01/05/09 09:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"Burris does not have to be formally approved by the Senate. But if there is a question about the appointment, the Senate could reject the appointment and immediately vacate the seat, or vote to seat the senator pending an investigation by the Rules Committee or another body, associate Senate Historian Don Ritchie said."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/30/illinois.senate/index.html

This is constitutional because:

Article I, sec 5, clause 2:

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: johnm214]
    #9556010 - 01/06/09 04:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> He was properly appointed and that's that.  I see no requirement that the senate approve.

Actually, he hasn't been 'properly appointed'.  The Rules of the Senate state:
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The Secretary shall keep a record of the certificates of election and certificates of appointment of Senators by entering in a well bound book kept for that purpose the date of the election or appointment, the name of the person elected or appointed, the date of the certificate, the name of the governor and the secretary of state signing and countersigning the same, and the State from which such Senator is elected or appointed.




Although the Illinois Governor has signed the appointment certificate, the Illinois Secretary of State has refused to do so.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: johnm214]
    #9557947 - 01/06/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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this new senator can be refused by the senate, they have the
authority by a 2/3 vote to refuse him the seat





Authority?  Seems like that's illegal to me and bad policy.  This was a properly made appointment.  The fact that people are talking about physically blocking his access is ridiculous.




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burris isnt elected by a majority vote

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9559109 - 01/06/09 05:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, John is correct, this appointment is bulletproof.

There is absolutely nothing anyone can do to stop it.  White will be compelled to sign by any judge in the country.  The "certification" process is only meant to be ceremonial, it doesn't actually confer any authority to reject a nominee.  It was explained to me today to be a relic from the early days of the State of Illinois when a new Senator arriving in Washington might not be preceded by his reputation, or indeed anyone who knew him at all.  So he would be required to have a "certification" signed by the Secretary of State that he could use as his credentials to be admitted.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9559217 - 01/06/09 06:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> He is an evil political genius.

His job is on the line... not that smart, getting caught with the hand in the cookie jar.

> White will be compelled to sign by any judge in the country.

On what grounds?  I don't know Illinois law, nor have I studied the Illinois State Constitution, so I am not sure that the Secretary of State of Illinois can be compelled to sign something or not.  You may belittle the process as "ceremonial", but it is there, and it must be followed, regardless.  To ignore things simply because we feel that they are trivial sets a dangerous precedent.  How long before elected officials are deciding that things like the US Constitution are just inconvenient bits of paper that can be safely ignored?

Blago is an idiot... he just burned every last bridge he might have had with the Democrat Party.  He just spit in the face of the President Elect, the US Senate, and the Illinois Legislature.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9563041 - 01/07/09 08:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Blagoiavich is innocent until proven guilty.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9563453 - 01/07/09 10:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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On what grounds?  I don't know Illinois law, nor have I studied the Illinois State Constitution, so I am not sure that the Secretary of State of Illinois can be compelled to sign something or not.  You may belittle the process as "ceremonial", but it is there, and it must be followed, regardless.  To ignore things simply because we feel that they are trivial sets a dangerous precedent.  How long before elected officials are deciding that things like the US Constitution are just inconvenient bits of paper that can be safely ignored?




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Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White said this morning he has been made "the fall guy" by the U.S. Senate, which he said is using him as an excuse to not seat Roland Burris.

"They could have seated him without my signature; my signature is not required,"
he told WGN-AM 720's John Williams.

The Senate barrred Burris Tuesday, saying he lacked proper credentials because his appointment was not signed by White.

But White said today, "My signature is mostly ceremonial, rather than a point of law."

"They played a little bit of a game with [Burris] yesterday," he added.

Asked by Williams if he had been made "the fall guy," White said, "You're absolutely correct.")




I wasn't being glib.

It really is ceremonial.

They'll have to seat Burris.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9563679 - 01/07/09 10:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It really is ceremonial.




I agree with Seuss on this one, it depends on what rule/guidelines there are for grounds of refusal and it may take a lawsuit to enforce.  The IL SOS definitely has reasonable moral or ethical grounds.  In the meantime, I've seen the Senate rule that states the SOS signature to be necessary, and am inclined to believe its interpretation since its pretty straightforward.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9564356 - 01/07/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> It really is ceremonial.

And it really is a rule of the US Senate...  You will not be recognized as a US Senator without proper credentials, and those credentials include the signature of the State Governor and the State Secretary; ceremonial or not.  Until the US Senate changes the rule, makes an exception to the rule, or until the US Supreme Court decides that the rule is unconstitutional, or until the Illinois Secretary of State signs the silly paper, Burris cannot be seated as a US Senator.

> "They could have seated him without my signature; my signature is not required,"

Wrong.  Please see http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule02.php:
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2. The Secretary shall keep a record of the certificates of election and certificates of appointment of Senators by entering in a wellbound book kept for that purpose the date of the election or appointment, the name of the person elected or appointed, the date of the certificate, the name of the governor and the secretary of state signing and countersigning the same, and the State from which such Senator is elected or appointed.




In case you missed it, "the name of the governor and the secretary of state signing and countersigning"

> But White said today, "My signature is mostly ceremonial, rather than a point of law."

It may be "mostly ceremonial" in Illinois, but in order for a person to be seated as a US Senator, that person must have credentials from their state that are "ceremonially" signed by the governor and the secretary of state.

> Asked by Williams if he had been made "the fall guy," White said, "You're absolutely correct."

All he has to do is sign the silly thing, and he is no longer "the fall guy".  :rolleyes:  (It is, after all, only ceremonial... so what does he care?)


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9565134 - 01/07/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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or until the Illinois Secretary of State signs the silly paper




I just saw an article in the paper saying that the IL Supreme Court was going to rule on whether the SOS has to sign the document.  I think that the ruling is supposed top be tomorrow.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9577368 - 01/09/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The senate will probably rule on this as soon as they can.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9577801 - 01/09/09 04:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The Illinois Senate will begin impeachment proceedings next week.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9578066 - 01/09/09 04:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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> It really is ceremonial.

And it really is a rule of the US Senate...  You will not be recognized as a US Senator without proper credentials, and those credentials include the signature of the State Governor and the State Secretary; ceremonial or not.  Until the US Senate changes the rule, makes an exception to the rule, or until the US Supreme Court decides that the rule is unconstitutional, or until the Illinois Secretary of State signs the silly paper, Burris cannot be seated as a US Senator.




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http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/01/state-court-rebuffs-burris-on-senate-signature.html

But Illinois Supreme Court Justice Lloyd Karmeier said White's signature was not needed for Burris to be seated in the Senate.

"We note ... that nothing in the published rules of the Senate, including Rule II, appears to require that Senate appointments made by state executives pursuant to the 17th Amendment must be signed and sealed by the state's secretary of state. Moreover, no explanation has been given as to how any rule of the Senate, whether it be formal or merely a matter of tradition, could supersede the authority to fill vacancies conferred on the states by the federal constitution. Under these circumstances, the Senate's actions cannot serve as the predicate for a mandamus action against the secretary of state. The only issue before us is whether the secretary of state, an official of this state, failed to perform an act required of him by the law of Illinois. He did not."




From todays ruling.

It's just ceremonial.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9578114 - 01/09/09 04:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"Moreover, no explanation has been given as to how any rule of the Senate, whether it be formal or merely a matter of tradition, could supersede the authority to fill vacancies conferred on the states by the federal constitution."

I like this part, its like the court is saying "Oh no you didn't!"

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9578839 - 01/09/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The Illinois Senate will begin impeachment proceedings next week.




Ya, the news cycle and all that weekendy stuff.  It's not like Blago can sneak in another senator or anything like that.  But I don't expect them to drag it out over a couple of weeks as legislators are prone to do.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: xFrockx]
    #9578860 - 01/09/09 06:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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"Moreover, no explanation has been given as to how any rule of the Senate, whether it be formal or merely a matter of tradition, could supersede the authority to fill vacancies conferred on the states by the federal constitution."

I like this part, its like the court is saying "Oh no you didn't!"




I think the rule goes back to the olden days when people had to travel through hundreds of miles of snow on horse to deliver documents.  In the world of instant communication, the rule is obviously obsolete seeing as you can have an instant video conference with the signor in question.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9578911 - 01/09/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The quoted part is saying that the court does not understand how the Senate thought that they had the authority to supercede an appointment which was federally legal, just by using their own rules.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: xFrockx]
    #9578927 - 01/09/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, that's what I was talking about.  Credentials were important back then.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9579044 - 01/09/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't talking about credentials though, its a matter of federal law > senate rules.  I might just be reading too much into your reply though, if so nevermind me.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: xFrockx]
    #9579068 - 01/09/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I've seen the senate rule, but no such federal law as of yet :shrug:

It would seem the rule's intent is to make sure they are in compliance with law.  Once compliance is ensured, it's been trumped.  The state SC ruling would seem to have done that as they have the authority to supersede the need.  A document from them could be used in lieu of the signature.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9580471 - 01/09/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Ya, that's what I was talking about.  Credentials were important back then.




Right.

The way the IL Attorney General explained it was that this was a relic from the days when a Senator might show up in Washington from some far-flung state and nobody would quite know if he was legitimately supposed to be there.  So the "rule" was instituted that the new Senator must be accompanied by a signed certification from his home state.

But as the ruling said, this isn't a law, only a tradition and as such has no binding authority.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9580853 - 01/10/09 12:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

what a happy ending!

Blago got paid, and Burris got the seat that he paid for fair and square!

Blago 2012!!!!!!



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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9581004 - 01/10/09 01:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

That's what the asshole gets.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9819971 - 02/18/09 01:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think that this man was part of the scandal at all, nor do I see any reason why he would be a bad pick for this temporary role.   





Calls for Burris resignation intensify as new details emerge


The Washington Post added its voice Wednesday to a growing chorus of demands for the resignation of Sen. Roland Burris two days after he detailed conversations with impeached Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's brother that he failed to mention under oath.

Burris, appointed by a scandal-wracked Blagojevich to fill President Obama's vacant Senate seat, told reporters Monday night in Peoria, Illinois, that he had three conversations with the governor's brother, Robert Blagojevich.

In them, the Democratic senator said he discussed possibly raising money for the governor

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9820267 - 02/18/09 02:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeh, he was asked to make a 10k donation to perjury by his own statement.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9820310 - 02/18/09 02:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yep.  The stench from Illinois is quite impressive these days.  Burris will probably have to resign.  He's got a perjury indictment and a bribery/corruption indictment hanging over his head.  They'll probably give him a deal if he quits.  How smelly is this governor of that snakepit anyway?


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9820316 - 02/18/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Right, just ask Scooter Libby and Martha Stewart.


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    #9820399 - 02/18/09 02:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9820784 - 02/18/09 03:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Here's something I hadn't thought about.  Burris filed his amended affidavit on Feb 5 but the Dems in charge sat on it until after the Humungous Bill was passed.  60 votes.
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The fact is, if this mess with Burris had been made public back on February 5 when the Illinois senator submitted his “corrected” affadavit to the Democratic Majority Leader, there is a pretty good chance that the Illinois senator would not have been able to vote on the stimulus bill in the senate on the 13th.

Why? Because pressure would have been building – as it is now – for the “lying little sneak” to resign his seat. It seems surreal but Roland Burris has now changed his story about contacts with Governor Blagojevich’s henchmen about the senate seat at least 4 times – twice yesterday alone. If he had been forced to resign in a similar time period that is shaping up now, there would have been no 60th vote on the stimulus bill in the senate, no cloture, and the bill would have been sent back to conference.

So which Democrats knew of this affidavit and why wasn’t it made public immediately? Burris says he sent the affidavit to the chairman of the impeachment committee who then promptly sat on it until the Chicago Sun Times got wind of the story at which point Burris himself gave it to the newspaper. The committee chairman was Barbara Flynn Currie, House Majority Leader.

Barbara Flynn Currie has represented the 25th Congressional district in the Illinois House since 1979. That district includes Hyde Park – former home for many years of President Barack Obama.

Just sayin’.



http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/02/18/did-democrats-cover-up-burris-lies-to-get-stim-bill-passed/

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