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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9577801 - 01/09/09 04:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The Illinois Senate will begin impeachment proceedings next week.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9578066 - 01/09/09 04:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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> It really is ceremonial.

And it really is a rule of the US Senate...  You will not be recognized as a US Senator without proper credentials, and those credentials include the signature of the State Governor and the State Secretary; ceremonial or not.  Until the US Senate changes the rule, makes an exception to the rule, or until the US Supreme Court decides that the rule is unconstitutional, or until the Illinois Secretary of State signs the silly paper, Burris cannot be seated as a US Senator.




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http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/01/state-court-rebuffs-burris-on-senate-signature.html

But Illinois Supreme Court Justice Lloyd Karmeier said White's signature was not needed for Burris to be seated in the Senate.

"We note ... that nothing in the published rules of the Senate, including Rule II, appears to require that Senate appointments made by state executives pursuant to the 17th Amendment must be signed and sealed by the state's secretary of state. Moreover, no explanation has been given as to how any rule of the Senate, whether it be formal or merely a matter of tradition, could supersede the authority to fill vacancies conferred on the states by the federal constitution. Under these circumstances, the Senate's actions cannot serve as the predicate for a mandamus action against the secretary of state. The only issue before us is whether the secretary of state, an official of this state, failed to perform an act required of him by the law of Illinois. He did not."




From todays ruling.

It's just ceremonial.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9578114 - 01/09/09 04:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"Moreover, no explanation has been given as to how any rule of the Senate, whether it be formal or merely a matter of tradition, could supersede the authority to fill vacancies conferred on the states by the federal constitution."

I like this part, its like the court is saying "Oh no you didn't!"

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9578839 - 01/09/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The Illinois Senate will begin impeachment proceedings next week.




Ya, the news cycle and all that weekendy stuff.  It's not like Blago can sneak in another senator or anything like that.  But I don't expect them to drag it out over a couple of weeks as legislators are prone to do.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: xFrockx]
    #9578860 - 01/09/09 06:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
"Moreover, no explanation has been given as to how any rule of the Senate, whether it be formal or merely a matter of tradition, could supersede the authority to fill vacancies conferred on the states by the federal constitution."

I like this part, its like the court is saying "Oh no you didn't!"




I think the rule goes back to the olden days when people had to travel through hundreds of miles of snow on horse to deliver documents.  In the world of instant communication, the rule is obviously obsolete seeing as you can have an instant video conference with the signor in question.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9578911 - 01/09/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The quoted part is saying that the court does not understand how the Senate thought that they had the authority to supercede an appointment which was federally legal, just by using their own rules.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: xFrockx]
    #9578927 - 01/09/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, that's what I was talking about.  Credentials were important back then.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9579044 - 01/09/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't talking about credentials though, its a matter of federal law > senate rules.  I might just be reading too much into your reply though, if so nevermind me.

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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: xFrockx]
    #9579068 - 01/09/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I've seen the senate rule, but no such federal law as of yet :shrug:

It would seem the rule's intent is to make sure they are in compliance with law.  Once compliance is ensured, it's been trumped.  The state SC ruling would seem to have done that as they have the authority to supersede the need.  A document from them could be used in lieu of the signature.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9580471 - 01/09/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Ya, that's what I was talking about.  Credentials were important back then.




Right.

The way the IL Attorney General explained it was that this was a relic from the days when a Senator might show up in Washington from some far-flung state and nobody would quite know if he was legitimately supposed to be there.  So the "rule" was instituted that the new Senator must be accompanied by a signed certification from his home state.

But as the ruling said, this isn't a law, only a tradition and as such has no binding authority.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Seuss]
    #9580853 - 01/10/09 12:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

what a happy ending!

Blago got paid, and Burris got the seat that he paid for fair and square!

Blago 2012!!!!!!



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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Coaster]
    #9581004 - 01/10/09 01:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

That's what the asshole gets.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9819971 - 02/18/09 01:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think that this man was part of the scandal at all, nor do I see any reason why he would be a bad pick for this temporary role.   





Calls for Burris resignation intensify as new details emerge


The Washington Post added its voice Wednesday to a growing chorus of demands for the resignation of Sen. Roland Burris two days after he detailed conversations with impeached Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's brother that he failed to mention under oath.

Burris, appointed by a scandal-wracked Blagojevich to fill President Obama's vacant Senate seat, told reporters Monday night in Peoria, Illinois, that he had three conversations with the governor's brother, Robert Blagojevich.

In them, the Democratic senator said he discussed possibly raising money for the governor

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/18/burris.blagojevich/


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9820267 - 02/18/09 02:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeh, he was asked to make a 10k donation to perjury by his own statement.

The larger issue at stake here is going to be perjury.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9820310 - 02/18/09 02:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yep.  The stench from Illinois is quite impressive these days.  Burris will probably have to resign.  He's got a perjury indictment and a bribery/corruption indictment hanging over his head.  They'll probably give him a deal if he quits.  How smelly is this governor of that snakepit anyway?


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: Ferris]
    #9820316 - 02/18/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Right, just ask Scooter Libby and Martha Stewart.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9820399 - 02/18/09 02:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

There is that.


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Re: Blagojevich in a bold move appoints a senator for Illinois [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9820784 - 02/18/09 03:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Here's something I hadn't thought about.  Burris filed his amended affidavit on Feb 5 but the Dems in charge sat on it until after the Humungous Bill was passed.  60 votes.
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The fact is, if this mess with Burris had been made public back on February 5 when the Illinois senator submitted his “corrected” affadavit to the Democratic Majority Leader, there is a pretty good chance that the Illinois senator would not have been able to vote on the stimulus bill in the senate on the 13th.

Why? Because pressure would have been building – as it is now – for the “lying little sneak” to resign his seat. It seems surreal but Roland Burris has now changed his story about contacts with Governor Blagojevich’s henchmen about the senate seat at least 4 times – twice yesterday alone. If he had been forced to resign in a similar time period that is shaping up now, there would have been no 60th vote on the stimulus bill in the senate, no cloture, and the bill would have been sent back to conference.

So which Democrats knew of this affidavit and why wasn’t it made public immediately? Burris says he sent the affidavit to the chairman of the impeachment committee who then promptly sat on it until the Chicago Sun Times got wind of the story at which point Burris himself gave it to the newspaper. The committee chairman was Barbara Flynn Currie, House Majority Leader.

Barbara Flynn Currie has represented the 25th Congressional district in the Illinois House since 1979. That district includes Hyde Park – former home for many years of President Barack Obama.

Just sayin’.



http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/02/18/did-democrats-cover-up-burris-lies-to-get-stim-bill-passed/

"Just saying", indeed.  The Chicago Way.


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