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SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD
    #9520802 - 12/30/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i've done a little bit of reading lately about lsd, and came upon a topic of SSRI's and the effects they have on LSD. I found a few articles backing this up, but was wondering if anyone had any additional information concerning this.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_health3.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=48587
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ssris+and+lsd&spell=1


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9520859 - 12/30/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

SSRIs will mute the effects of psychedelics because excess serotonin will be hanging around, competing with the drug.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9520875 - 12/30/08 09:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

so if i taper off my SSRI will i have full-fledged effects of LSD? or is taking an SSRI a long term problem and will "mute" the effects of LSD for "---a---" amount of months(etc..)?


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9520899 - 12/30/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I dont think anyone here can suggest that you stop taking your medication.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9520927 - 12/30/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

no, i wasn't implying. i was just perscribed it on monday, don't plan on staying on it more than 4 weeks. so i'm asking an "in general" question as far as SSRi's go..


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9520988 - 12/30/08 10:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why would you go on an SSRI for 4 weeks? That's pretty pointless. They take a good 2+ weeks to start doing anything.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9521068 - 12/30/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Wrong, some meds like Lexapro work on the first day.

I am willing to bet that you will have a shitty crash though OP.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9521088 - 12/30/08 10:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think Lexapro works the first day. I'm fairly certain it doesn't at least. I was on it for years, on and off a couple times.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9521106 - 12/30/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i'm just going to try it out, i'm perscribed zoloft. i'm going to taper off no worries. i just want a short acting anxiety medicine.



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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9521112 - 12/30/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

^What more do  you need to know?


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9521122 - 12/30/08 10:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Wrong, some meds like Lexapro work on the first day.

I am willing to bet that you will have a shitty crash though OP.




Lexapro didn't seem to work for me at all aside from giving me the shits, I wouldn't always take it at the same time though so that might just have been my fault. It DEFINITELY didn't work on the first day, but I was only taking 10 mg tablets.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9521126 - 12/30/08 10:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Lexapro worked first day for me everytime I have taken it.

I get an overwhelming serotonin rush, cant eat, and feel like I'm trippin without hallucination.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9521133 - 12/30/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:shrug: I guess one of us is just weird.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9521136 - 12/30/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Lexapro worked first day for me everytime I have taken it.

I get an overwhelming serotonin rush, cant eat, and feel like I'm trippin without hallucination.




Heck I didn't even get a placebo high. And I sure do love me those :laugh:


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9521218 - 12/30/08 11:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yea i've taken about 3 10mg lexapro's along with a green bar of xanax ,and i defintely felt the effects of the 'pros .


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9521225 - 12/30/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If you want a short-term anxiety solution, I think benzos are a much better option than SSRIs. Just my opinion.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9521245 - 12/30/08 11:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yup, i was leaning more towards benzo's when i was at my doctors . unfortunately for me it did not turn out that way. i have a checkup in 4 weeks. probably going to ask to be switched off of it. decreased sex drive and all this other junk doesn't satisfy me.

as well as a minor issue for me that the ssri's "muting" physcadellic effects. fucc that.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9521251 - 12/30/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, SSRIs are the most overprescribed medications. A little bit of ecstasy every day keeps depression at bay. I think not.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9521404 - 12/30/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yeah my docs wanna do the same shit.

put me on ssris because "they just work ok"...nah fuck you doc.

i am going to just lie and say i take some shitty ssri and keep saying it doesnt work and see where that gets me.  i tried honesty already and that got me judged and pissed off. 

plus i love lsd and mushrooms.  there is no way i am taking something that negates their effects.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9521627 - 12/31/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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:shrug: I guess one of us is just weird.



Ya I have a theory as to why I am the way I am.

I think I have extremely elevated serotonin levels all of the time.

This would explain my near to total serotonin syndrome side effects with SSRI's and my high tolerance for typical psychedelics.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9521652 - 12/31/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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:shrug: I guess one of us is just weird.



Ya I have a theory as to why I am the way I am.

I think I have extremely elevated serotonin levels all of the time.

This would explain my near to total serotonin syndrome side effects with SSRI's and my high tolerance for typical psychedelics.




do you still get visuals or hallucinations with psychedelics?


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9521670 - 12/31/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes but generally at fairly high doses.

For instance when I wieghed 115 pounds I was taking 7+ grams dry cubensis
to get fairly decent visauls and my first aya trip was with 20 grams
MHRB and 5 grams rue and the visuals were there but lacking.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9521679 - 12/31/08 12:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

what about at say a dose of 2 hits of lsd? visuals there/not?


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9521686 - 12/31/08 12:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes with the LSD that I get which is fairly potent
(friends say that one hit is like an eighth of shrooms),
one hit will present visuals but I have to smoke
weed and "focus" on the visuals otherwise they are not really noticeable.

Two hit's will get me though.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9547133 - 01/04/09 09:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, SSRIs are the most overprescribed medications. A little bit of ecstasy every day keeps depression at bay. I think not.




hmm? are you saying SSRIs are like a little bit of ecstasy a day? I think not!


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: burgatory]
    #9547152 - 01/04/09 09:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

^How are they not lol


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9547203 - 01/04/09 09:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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^How are they not lol




MMmm well this isn't an educated answer but from the general understanding I have acquired I think SSRIs are meant to reprogram your body for managing the serotonin so you don't have to depend on a drug rather than achieve a high under the effects of a substance.

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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9547213 - 01/04/09 09:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They dont work the same way.

MDMA is far superior.:D


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: Domnu]
    #9547223 - 01/04/09 09:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

^SSRIs, as per their name, inhibit the reuptake of serotonin. They take up room on the SERT and prevent it from removing serotonin from the synapses and whatnot. MDMA binds to the SERT and causes it the dump serotonin instead of taking it in. So, describing SSRIs as "a little bit of ecstasy" really isn't that far off.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9547476 - 01/04/09 09:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

SSRI's block the reuptake but so does MDMA, but MDMA also releases serotonin.........so you feel it quickly unlike an SSRI.

They can both cause brain damage, I've seen micro photos of axon's exploded from to much serotonin by SSRI's.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9547588 - 01/04/09 10:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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SSRI's block the reuptake but so does MDMA, but MDMA also releases serotonin.........so you feel it quickly unlike an SSRI.

They can both cause brain damage, I've seen micro photos of axon's exploded from to much serotonin by SSRI's.




I've also heard that MDMA will also dump dopamine into the bloodstream along with serotonin, giving it that delicious cocaine-like edge (serotonin evidently being responsible for the warm and fuzzy effects).

I'm not certain I'm buying axon destruction by SSRIs...There's actually evidence that SSRI treatment for depression and related disorders allows the brain to regenerate nervous tissue lost to chronic stress.

Ironically I have felt MDMA-like effects when I first took Zoloft (sertraline) for depression, and I have a friend who experienced similar effects at first. I had been taking some 5-HTP supplements prior, but she hadn't. I haven't noticed this from other SSRIs (like paroxotine and bupropion) but I have noticed that antidepressants can take effect in less than a week in some cases.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: N2loma]
    #9547651 - 01/04/09 10:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well something can induce neurogenesis and cause neuron damage.  Pot causes neurogenesis as well as does exercise.

I have seen in Science magazine these photos and experienced serotonin syndrome.........it is GOD AWFUL

In the beginning it was bordering ecstasy, it was very mystical at times and just very high but things got really bad over several months, severely damaging.

But from  paroxotine I noticed affects the very next day.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: N2loma]
    #9547691 - 01/04/09 10:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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SSRI's block the reuptake but so does MDMA, but MDMA also releases serotonin.........so you feel it quickly unlike an SSRI.

They can both cause brain damage, I've seen micro photos of axon's exploded from to much serotonin by SSRI's.




I've also heard that MDMA will also dump dopamine into the bloodstream along with serotonin, giving it that delicious cocaine-like edge (serotonin evidently being responsible for the warm and fuzzy effects).

I'm not certain I'm buying axon destruction by SSRIs...There's actually evidence that SSRI treatment for depression and related disorders allows the brain to regenerate nervous tissue lost to chronic stress.

Ironically I have felt MDMA-like effects when I first took Zoloft (sertraline) for depression, and I have a friend who experienced similar effects at first. I had been taking some 5-HTP supplements prior, but she hadn't. I haven't noticed this from other SSRIs (like paroxotine and bupropion) but I have noticed that antidepressants can take effect in less than a week in some cases.




weird that you say this, this is the reason i just stopped zoloft. i've only taken mdma once , but i feel somewhat hyper alot. thats why i just stopped today! fuck ssri's.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9547717 - 01/04/09 10:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

MDMA never ever made me hyper, I have no idea why people get that way; I suppose a preconception of the drug affects since it's an "amphetamine".....good cocaine doesn't make me hyper either, just stimulates my thoughts and I don't let them make me run around the room or pace around or rabble on and on...


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9547736 - 01/04/09 10:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yea probably why i wont ever do mdma/coke again, its everywhere around me practically. did coke like 5-6 times , worthless to me imo. made me way to hyper along with mdma. i'll try it again somewhere along down the road.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9547748 - 01/04/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Try good cocaine at a low dose, to much "cocaine" isn't really just cocaine and people take huge gaggers since they are stupid.

A bump of real cocaine will not make you tweaked, it's stimulating in an intellectual manner.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9547784 - 01/04/09 10:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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yea probably why i wont ever do mdma/coke again, its everywhere around me practically. did coke like 5-6 times , worthless to me imo. made me way to hyper along with mdma. i'll try it again somewhere along down the road.




Sounds like you're getting shit cut with (meth)amphetamine in both cases.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9547796 - 01/04/09 10:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The only amphetamine that ever made me tweak out was Dexedrine and I took way to much to much.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9548890 - 01/05/09 01:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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yea probably why i wont ever do mdma/coke again, its everywhere around me practically. did coke like 5-6 times , worthless to me imo. made me way to hyper along with mdma. i'll try it again somewhere along down the road.




Sounds like you're getting shit cut with (meth)amphetamine in both cases.




yea i've had coke cut with meth 100% and i think the mdma pill consisted of some meth or something as well. it was a purple aol guy.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9548897 - 01/05/09 01:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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i95fl said:
yea probably why i wont ever do mdma/coke again, its everywhere around me practically. did coke like 5-6 times , worthless to me imo. made me way to hyper along with mdma. i'll try it again somewhere along down the road.




Sounds like you're getting shit cut with (meth)amphetamine in both cases.




yea i've had coke cut with meth 100% and i think the mdma pill consisted of some meth or something as well. it was a purple aol guy.




one of my roomates would bring back amazing shit from clubs in miami, 2 or 3 times. best shit i ever ever had. 1-2 lines you were fucked. but yea i dont fuck with coke anymore.


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Re: SSRI'S and the effect they have on LSD [Re: i95fl]
    #9551235 - 01/05/09 01:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

A line is deceiving, a bump is pretty accurate for good coke.

I had a neighbor once that had super fat dreads and was an old Brother of African decent.......well, anyways man; he said he ran into some pink Peruvian back in the day and was told to do just one bump and did two....he said he got so freaked out he just flushed the stash and this guy did lot's of drugs following around the dead and used to work for hookah......or knew hookah really well.


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