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-- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! --
    #9512156 - 12/29/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

A new round of Obama's Open for Questions exercise has begun!  Please help keep the matter of marijuana legalization in the minds of our elected officials.  Though you may not find this issue to be of pressing need, open dialogue about smart and compassionate policies should have an effect on our entire conglomerate of misguided governmental policy.  This would actually help to reduce spending, reduce non-violent prison populations (which are out of control), while increasing tax revenue and personal safety.  All I'm asking you to do, and it should only take about one more minute:

  • Visit the change.gov Open for Questions page
  • Register or login on the site (instant - no email verification required)
  • Do a search for questions with "prohibitionist"
  • And then click the check mark to vote for the following question:
    Quote:

    "Why won't you support the federal legalization of marijuana, which would increase tax revenue, reduce social harm, and create new jobs by regulating an industry that already exists in the US, even amidst our current prohibitionist policy?"




Hopefully we can receive a more substantive response this time around.  Please vote in favor of the similar questions as well (there are quite a few!).  The more frequently we can place these questions in their Top 10, the more likely the administration is to offer a comprehensive response, as well as the more likely the general populous will be to honestly reconsider our failed drug policy.

Even though our previous question garnered the #1 spot in Obama's first "Open for Questions" exercise, his administration skirted the meat of it and simply stated that "President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana."  Let's try to find out a little more about WHY he does not favor this seemingly sensible path.  Fortunately, the issue has been receiving some positive media attention:
Quote:

"Apparently, the arrest of nearly 1,000,000 otherwise law abiding citizens each year for mere possession of cannabis, the relentless persecution of the sick and dying, and the continued incarceration of 1 out of every 100 adults, (and the imprisonment, jailing, probation or parole of  1 out of every 31 adults) is finally getting on peoples nerves.

Yes, these questions will not go away. Lawmakers around the country will have to suck it up and realize that, as Barney Frank put it: this is an area where the public is way ahead of the politicians."




Thanks for taking just a minute to help evoke positive change! :heart:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9512159 - 12/29/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:obama:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Atheist]
    #9512160 - 12/29/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

no way i cant believe thats a smiley


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Atheist]
    #9512166 - 12/29/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:

Already voted.
And asked.
And voted more.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: bryguy27007]
    #9512202 - 12/29/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Voted. Why do I feel like I just wasted 5 seconds of my life though?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512222 - 12/29/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Can you even waste time?  It's going to pass regardless of what you are doing... not like you can save it up for only the moments that will exude a supreme amount of happiness and joy.  Do you consider sleeping a waste of time?  Sittin' on the shitter?  Paying your bills or mowing the lawn?  If it's any consolation, I don't think you wasted your time.  In fact, I've probably spent as much of my time replying to you, as you had perceived to have wasted yourself in the first place!


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512229 - 12/29/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"Because President elect. Obama thinks it is a danger to public health"

There you go, done.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Atheist]
    #9512234 - 12/29/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist said:
:obama:





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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9512244 - 12/29/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

wow geokills that what u said bout time is sum complex shit my head feels funny now. n i love da monkey :obama: omg its called aboma wtf didnt even relise that. thats like fuked up man


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512245 - 12/29/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
Voted. Why do I feel like I just wasted 5 seconds of my life though?




Because you probably did?

For what it's worth I'll cast my vote


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Plastered marble]
    #9512255 - 12/29/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Voted and asked again.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9512260 - 12/29/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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geokills said:
Can you even waste time?  It's going to pass regardless of what you are doing... not like you can save it up for only the moments that will exude a supreme amount of happiness and joy.  Do you consider sleeping a waste of time?  Sittin' on the shitter?  Paying your bills or mowing the lawn?  If it's any consolation, I don't think you wasted your time.  In fact, I've probably spent as much of my time replying to you, as you had perceived to have wasted yourself in the first place!





I could have spent that time reading another engaging post or closing some of these pop up windows or maybe I could do some work.. hmm... :smile:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #9512267 - 12/29/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

go to his myspace and ask there too.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Ledd]
    #9512286 - 12/29/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

im not even gonna take my time to say why this is pointless. id rather ask obama who barry saetoro or however the fuck u spell it. and where the fuck his birth certificate is. and why hes a legal citizen on Indonesia and not America? fuck weed. its pretty much legal anyway.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Ledd]
    #9512291 - 12/29/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Tell that to 20% of the prison population (or w/e the number is, I made that up).


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
    #9512299 - 12/29/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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jackshroomer said:
im not even gonna take my time to say why this is pointless. id rather ask obama who barry saetoro or however the fuck u spell it. and where the fuck his birth certificate is. and why hes a legal citizen on Indonesia and not America? fuck weed. its pretty much legal anyway.




does that really matter now that Obama is headed for the white
house and the courts are blocking inquiries into obamas past?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9512319 - 12/29/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If you really want the laws changed hand write letter to your congressmen, state government etc.  I know you all think that Obama should respond to the questions asked and voted for, on this site, he will change very little if at all  the federal government's stance on this issue. and the website doesn't represent the general populace, it represents a specific demographic.  you have a much better chance of "having your voice heard" writing a thoughtful handwritten letter to a state rep than you do voting on a website. sure it may take a bit more effort but if this is an issue you truly care about then you should put forth that extra effort.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9512328 - 12/29/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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jackshroomer said:
im not even gonna take my time to say why this is pointless. id rather ask obama who barry saetoro or however the fuck u spell it. and where the fuck his birth certificate is. and why hes a legal citizen on Indonesia and not America? fuck weed. its pretty much legal anyway.




does that really matter now that Obama is headed for the white
house and the courts are blocking inquiries into obamas past?




no it doesnt. but i mean if they are opening up questions that this man is gonna answer, i think we should ask some thing that matter. i mean dont get me wrong im an avid pot smoker and i would love to have it legalized, but this man is a complete fraud and poeple are more worried about pot.

and to the other guy, ur right there are alot of people locked up for marijuana, and i hope that soon it will be legal, its redic that its not. but its been decriminalized in like 12 or 13 staes or something like that.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
    #9512330 - 12/29/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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:bowdown:




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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9512343 - 12/29/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I predict "In order to allow a diversity of opinions and questions to be asked we have chosen the runner up question."


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Ledd]
    #9512350 - 12/29/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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jackshroomer said:
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lol???little confused was this like a burn?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: hamandcheese]
    #9512399 - 12/29/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)
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If you really want the laws changed hand write letter to your congressmen, state government etc.  I know you all think that Obama should respond to the questions asked and voted for, on this site, he will change very little if at all  the federal government's stance on this issue. and the website doesn't represent the general populace, it represents a specific demographic.  you have a much better chance of "having your voice heard" writing a thoughtful handwritten letter to a state rep than you do voting on a website. sure it may take a bit more effort but if this is an issue you truly care about then you should put forth that extra effort.



I agree with your suggestion to write in.  But if I may diverge onto a related tangent - This isn't about expecting immediate change my friend.  This is about keeping consistent pressure on ALL available avenues that may help lead to more sensible government policies in the long run.  Though it may seem that some question on a website poll is not going to affect any real change, it is still something that can be referenced and pointed to in future efforts to procure the same positive change.  It is a small step, but it is still a step.

Over the last year I have called and written to my representatives, senators, governator, president and various government officials such as the Treasury secretary and the head of the SEC numerous times.  Maybe it will do some good and maybe it won't.  But that potential for good is by default excluded when we resign ourselves to inaction and apathy.  What's a few minutes of our time anyway?  Try to create some positive change.  You may not be entirely successful, but at least you will have given it an honest effort.

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
    #9512420 - 12/29/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

jackshroomer said:
im not even gonna take my time to say why this is pointless. id rather ask obama who barry saetoro or however the fuck u spell it. and where the fuck his birth certificate is. and why hes a legal citizen on Indonesia and not America? fuck weed. its pretty much legal anyway.



As long as Obama is a good president, i could care less about his past.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands arrested every year for it, don't say idiotic shit. It's bigger then pot, it's your own liberty to do what you want with your body.

By the way, his mother was from the US, so he is a dual citizen.


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Edited by doom876 (12/29/08 01:50 PM)


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: doom876]
    #9512436 - 12/29/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't care if someone from the U.S. runs the country or not, what difference does that make? As long as they're a fucking human I think that's qualification enough. Just cause I was born on this piece of land I don't consider myself to 'belong' here more than anyone else.

I'm not saying their shouldn't be mental qualifications and such, but who cares where the vagina was located when you popped out of it?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512443 - 12/29/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying their shouldn't be mental qualifications and such, but who cares where the vagina was located when you popped out of it?




Wow, you're smart for a yankee. :grin:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9512449 - 12/29/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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geokills said:
Quote:

hamandcheese said:
If you really want the laws changed hand write letter to your congressmen, state government etc.  I know you all think that Obama should respond to the questions asked and voted for, on this site, he will change very little if at all  the federal government's stance on this issue. and the website doesn't represent the general populace, it represents a specific demographic.  you have a much better chance of "having your voice heard" writing a thoughtful handwritten letter to a state rep than you do voting on a website. sure it may take a bit more effort but if this is an issue you truly care about then you should put forth that extra effort.



I agree with your suggestion to write in.  But if I may diverge onto a related tangent - This isn't about expecting immediate change my friend.  This is about keeping consistent pressure on ALL available avenues that may help lead to more sensible government policies in the long run.  Though it may seem that some question on a website poll is not going to affect any real change, it is still something that can be referenced and pointed to in future efforts to procure the same positive change.  It is a small step, but it is still a step.

Over the last year I have called and written to my representatives, senators, governator, president and various government officials such as the Treasury secretary and the head of the SEC numerous times.  Maybe it will do some good and maybe it won't.  But that potential for good is by default excluded when we resign ourselves to inaction and apathy.  What's a few minutes of our time anyway?  Try to create some positive change.  You may not be entirely successful, but at least you will have given it an honest effort.

Download the attached MP3 for on-point tunage.





i'm not suggest you don't use this avenue that has been presented, i just don't want people to site back and click a few buttons and think they have done somethin signifigant  to help support this cause. the people who look reveiw the question know full well what demographic this is targeted at. If you use more "traditional" methods you are more like to be viewed as a part of a broader demographic. write formally, and in cursive if you can, if not just make sure its neat.

also "governator"  :rofl2:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: dead]
    #9512462 - 12/29/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying their shouldn't be mental qualifications and such, but who cares where the vagina was located when you popped out of it?




Wow, you're smart for a yankee. :grin:



Its not where, but who owns that "where". McCain was born in the country of Panama after all, on a base or something, if he can run then anyone from Panama should be able to.
US politics, you fail.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512486 - 12/29/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

did it :ganja:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: hamandcheese]
    #9512502 - 12/29/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like if I were to write a letter to anyone they'd throw it out w/o looking at it even, and if they were to look at it they'd throw it out before finishing it once they read what I was getting at (marijuana decriminalization).

My thought is just that democracy doesn't exist. We vote people into office who have ideas that go along with ours. If there is a, for instance, governor who is against marijuana legalization and I write him a letter now he's just a governor who is against marijuana legalization who knows there is one more citizen who disagrees with him. What does he care for? Maybe if 80% of people wanted marijuana legalized/decriminalized and his campaign were riding on it, but it's not, and it won't be anytime soon.

I don't really think people get elected to office based on what issues they care about. Depending on the time period there's 3 or 4 hot button issues. Everyone generally takes the same stance, though they act like it's different. McCain says 'In afghanistan we'll do x to combat the terrorists.' Obama says 'In afghanistan we'll do y to combat the terrorists, see my plans better than McCains.'

The point behind both messages: 'We're not getting out of Iraq anytime soon, terrorism is spreading, you are all helpless and must put all trust in me, give me power please'

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: hamandcheese]
    #9512509 - 12/29/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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hamandcheese said:
If you really want the laws changed hand write letter to your congressmen, state government etc. 




send me a letter and I can toss it in the trash and pretend
it never came, show up at my door and it's harder to ignore
you, show up with a thousand people in my front yard and I
certainly cant blow you off as if you're unimportant

this battle against government takes on many facets, you need
to contact your elected reps by every channel available, a
simple phone call, a short letter, stop by his office but
dont stop with a single person, you need to work it from the
top tot he bottom, all the way to the city council in your
town and then work back up that chain, you want them to
remember that you're not going away, that it's because of you
that they are in office today and it's because of you that
they may not be in office tomorrow


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: doom876]
    #9512512 - 12/29/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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doom876 said:
McCain was born in the country of Panama after all, on a base or something, if he can run then anyone from Panama should be able to.
US politics, you fail.





some one born on a military base, as a brat, i QUITE different than "anyone from panama"

IF you can't fathom the reasons why someone born on foreign land to a foreigner should not be able to run America. and if you fail to see the distinction between those people and someone born to military personnel on a military base.
(I am making no specific claims about any specific individual in case you are too dense to grasp that)


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512520 - 12/29/08 02:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

His VP and AG are anti drug fanatics. Does that answer your question? Look for more of the same like what we got from shrub and from clinton.


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    #9512544 - 12/29/08 02:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't care if someone from the U.S. runs the country or not, what difference does that make?





a piece of paper called the constitution is why it's important,
should we ignore one part in favor of another or demand that we
have those rights enumerated by the constitution for all
citizens, as it stands they're ignoring many of our rights
yet you're willing to trade one right for another?

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    #9512555 - 12/29/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

whoops...


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    #9512558 - 12/29/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
I don't care if someone from the U.S. runs the country or not, what difference does that make?





a piece of paper called the constitution is why it's important,
should we ignore one part in favor of another or demand that we
have those rights enumerated by the constitution for all
citizens, as it stands they're ignoring many of our rights
yet you're willing to trade one right for another?

I'd rather have all my rights




I'd rather get rid of the constitution so I'd have 'all rights' and not be limited to just the 10.

The government, by definition, doesn't give rights, they take em away. As far as I'm concerned I was born with the right to do w/e I want, I just gotta deal with the consequences of my actions.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9512560 - 12/29/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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If you really want the laws changed hand write letter to your congressmen, state government etc. 




send me a letter and I can toss it in the trash and pretend
it never came, show up at my door and it's harder to ignore
you, show up with a thousand people in my front yard and I
certainly cant blow you off as if you're unimportant

this battle against government takes on many facets, you need
to contact your elected reps by every channel available, a
simple phone call, a short letter, stop by his office but
dont stop with a single person, you need to work it from the
top tot he bottom, all the way to the city council in your
town and then work back up that chain, you want them to
remember that you're not going away, that it's because of you
that they are in office today and it's because of you that
they may not be in office tomorrow




right on! i shouldn't have sold you guys short. i was merely suggesting one other way to support this cause. one that any one can do, quite easily. by all means take it to the next level if you're committed.  i would gladly join me fellow smokers in paying my goverment officals a visit to "discuss" this issue.


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    #9512570 - 12/29/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
I'd rather get rid of the constitution so I'd have 'all rights' and not be limited to just the 10.

The government doesn't give me rights, they take em away. As far as I'm concerned I was born with the right to do w/e I want, I just gotta deal with the consequences of my actions. 




you believe that you'd gain rights by disposing of the
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9512575 - 12/29/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

No, disposing of the government. The constitution is just a piece of paper.


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    #9512586 - 12/29/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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doom876 said:

As long as Obama is a good president, i could care less about his past.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands arrested every year for it, don't say idiotic shit. It's bigger then pot, it's your own liberty to do what you want with your body.

By the way, his mother was from the US, so he is a dual citizen.



hey fuck u . tell me why this man went from being a citizen of indonesia with a good ole american name like barry soetoro. to barack hussien obama. and why he failed to let anyone know about this unitl it was leaked. and then they made a fake birth certificate. yea. hes gonna be ggrrreaatt. and dont give me this liberty of ur body shit. its not bigger than pot. its actualy just as simple as pot. im gonna smoke regardless. if u are gonna let someone tell u that u cant smoke thats ur deal. i got my liberties.


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    #9512601 - 12/29/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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The only thing you really need to be a successful candidate for any office:

Enough money
Choose the popular religion
Have a pretty face
Have friends higher than yourself
Tell good lies




word.  also why i dont vote. they are all shit bags and area ll gonna do the same shit


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    #9512606 - 12/29/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i just vote green party, there never going to win so eh


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    #9512630 - 12/29/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I just got done sending the governor of my state an email, hopefully he will return this one...its the 4th ive sent him.

Ive always used my words wisely when writing him so I wouldn't come off as some stoner, whats wrong with this state/country when they (the bastards) cant even listen to the people?

I though we the people had the power, where the fuck did that go.

I know im just ramblin but it frustrates me so much, I once read a article on NORML website and it said that 87% of politicians think marijuana should be legalized but the reason its not...MONEY...i know thank you captain obvious.

Imagine all the money pharmaceutical companies would lose if people could grow there own safe medicine.


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    #9512638 - 12/29/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i dont get the whole i don't agree with A or B so i just woln't vote mentality, when amongst C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L etc. there might actually be someone who's policies and ideals you agree with.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512642 - 12/29/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
No, disposing of the government. The constitution is just a piece of paper.




the constitution is supposed to remind people it's their job
to keep government in check, dispose of government and what's
to stop me from building an army and setting up shop as the
new El' Presedente for life

our job is to keep them in check, we've been slacking because
we've allowed them to dangle a few carrots and distract us
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    #9512661 - 12/29/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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i dont get the whole i don't agree with A or B so i just woln't vote mentality, when amongst C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L etc. there might actually be someone who's policies and ideals you agree with.


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    #9512663 - 12/29/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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weiliiiiiii said:
I just got done sending the governor of my state an email, hopefully he will return this one...its the 4th ive sent him.

Ive always used my words wisely when writing him so I wouldn't come off as some stoner, whats wrong with this state/country when they (the bastards) cant even listen to the people?

I though we the people had the power, where the fuck did that go.



I know im just ramblin but it frustrates me so much, I once read a article on NORML website and it said that 87% of politicians think marijuana should be legalized but the reason its not...MONEY...i know thank you captain obvious.

Imagine all the money pharmaceutical companies would lose if people could grow there own safe medicine.




true. sleeping pills, diet pills, pain pills(sometimes), ha hangover pills, anit-depressants, uppers, downers, u name it and it pretty much fixes it. and we dont know how to make none of that shit.


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    #9512670 - 12/29/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The wonders of cannabis, this is awesome

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/10/19/marijuana_hea.html


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    #9512675 - 12/29/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i would have voted for ron paul. but in all honestly i forgot to register. i mean wanted to boycott the election and all because of all that politics represents, but i was also to stoned to remember to register.


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    #9512677 - 12/29/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:


The only thing you really need to be a successful candidate for any office:

Enough money
Choose the popular religion
Have a pretty face
Have friends higher than yourself
Tell good lies




word.  also why i dont vote. they are all shit bags and area ll gonna do the same shit




doesnt that make you a part of the problem, taking on the
defeatist attitude of 'my vote doesnt count so I wont vote',
how many people say that at each election or decide to vote
for the 'lesser of two evils' because they believe that one
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    #9512678 - 12/29/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

haha my bad... ive been up for waaaaay too long.


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    #9512685 - 12/29/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

vote republicrat


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    #9512688 - 12/29/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Imagine all the money pharmaceutical companies would lose if people could grow there own safe medicine.





screw them, they're screwing the american public, they're
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    #9512691 - 12/29/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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vote republicrat





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    #9512697 - 12/29/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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i would have voted for ron paul. but in all honestly i forgot to register. i mean wanted to boycott the election and all because of all that politics represents, but i was also to stoned to remember to register.





you sound like the poster child encouraging the banning of marijuana

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vote NO!


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9512715 - 12/29/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
No, disposing of the government. The constitution is just a piece of paper.




the constitution is supposed to remind people it's their job
to keep government in check, dispose of government and what's
to stop me from building an army and setting up shop as the
new El' Presedente for life

our job is to keep them in check, we've been slacking because
we've allowed them to dangle a few carrots and distract us
from what they're doing




I totally agree, but the constitution loses more value as the days pass. I've completely given up hope in our govt. I believe it's just gotten too big at this point and it's lost control of itself. There's nothing we can really do. We could slowly bring it around by reform after reform and maybe in 50-100 years we'll be back on track, but I think it's a far better idea to overthrow the current system and start over yet again.

I think govt. should be completely rebuilt from scratch every.. I dunno... 50-200 years or so.

It's like my computer. I keep doing shit with it, dling things, installing things, removing things etc. I try and keep it organized I run my antivirus (well not really :p), cleanup old files etc. but over time it just gets out of hand and it's easier to backup my important data and reformat.

Keep all the old shit you've learned is valuable (eg. the constitution) and then start on a more or less blank slate. Anything that was slightly controversial vote on it again. Better yet, fuck a central govt. The central govt. should be the constitution and that's about it. The rest can be handled by the states. If one state is stupid no one will live there cause there's 49 other choices you've got. It's very unlikely they'd all, for instance, make marijuana illegal.


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    #9512735 - 12/29/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Imagine all the money pharmaceutical companies would lose if people could grow there own safe medicine.





screw them, they're screwing the american public, they're
poisoning us, killing tens of thousands every year with meds
that are poorly tested or untested


Exactly my point, med pot patients could be growing safe organic medicine.

I know everybody here has seen the ads on TV for certain pills, WTF is up with some of the side affects they mention....like "discontinue use if you develop a rash or your dick falls off"

why would you want to put something into your body that can have some horrible side affects like so many of the meds doctors prescribe today when you could just smoke organic herb?


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    #9512757 - 12/29/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ok i dont feel like my vote doesnt count. i feel like my vote would have been me accepting that fact that they have trained us like sheep into this bullshit they call an election for the leader of this country. somebody rewrite the constitution like it tells us to when its fucked up. ill vote for that guy. i wasnt literally to stoned to remember it was a joke, but i guess it was the wrong time to make that joke.


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    #9512764 - 12/29/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldn't it be great if just one year no one showed up to vote?


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    #9512768 - 12/29/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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true. sleeping pills, diet pills, pain pills(sometimes), ha hangover pills, anit-depressants, uppers, downers, u name it and it pretty much fixes it. and we dont know how to make none of that shit.




Speak for yourself :p

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    #9512769 - 12/29/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Wouldn't it be great if just one year no one showed up to vote?



^ my ultimate goal.


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    #9512801 - 12/29/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"I though we the people had the power"

You are correct on that, but lets not confuse it with saying "Me the person has the power". We the people is much more powerful then "Me the person."

Let's see if I cant brush fur the wrong way.
I am totally against the legalization of marijuana. It isn't just because I dont smoke it myself. My personal, uneducated opinion (which will be flamed, I'm sure) is that there are so many things against pot that legalization will be a big step in rolling the country towards apathy. Whats wrong with smoking pot in my opinion? Nothing. I dont do it because it's not my cup of tea, but all of my friends do and I couldnt be closer to them, even if they didnt smoke. Another uneducated opinion about it is sorta geared towards the economy. Yes, many people will fire up a pot-selling business. They will quickly be diluted and pushed out by already strong head shops. It wont offer much opportunity for jobs. Maybe a handful of jobs will pop up for farming bud, but that's it.

I have a group of people that I like to call 'soccer moms'. These are people that bitch about the fact that there is too much violence in video games and movies. People that bitch about the negative influence of drugs and rub out any positive effects of them. People that bitch about their fat son being picked on in gym class, so they push to have PE an elective versus a requirement. People that try to get 'god' out of the pledge (even though Im atheist myself, I think the people pushing for that are just retarded). Basically, anyone that bitches for the sake of bitching despite the fact that it could be a step in the right direction, are soccer moms.

That said, there are alot more soccer moms willing to fight against the legalization of pot then there are people willing to stand up and fight for pot.

I said that I was against the legalization of pot, because I think there are much more important issues to deal with. I wont lie though, I even if it does get legalized, I wont make a fuss about it. I'm one of the few that has faith in the government. I am a drone. If they give something a thumbs up, I will also.

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    #9512806 - 12/29/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
I don't care if someone from the U.S. runs the country or not, what difference does that make?





a piece of paper called the constitution is why it's important,
should we ignore one part in favor of another or demand that we
have those rights enumerated by the constitution for all
citizens, as it stands they're ignoring many of our rights
yet you're willing to trade one right for another?

I'd rather have all my rights




I'd rather get rid of the constitution so I'd have 'all rights' and not be limited to just the 10.

The government, by definition, doesn't give rights, they take em away.




Apparently you have very little knowledge regarding the constitution.

Ninth Amendment: "In addition, the Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people," and reserves all powers not specifically granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States."

The Constitution doesn't list the rights you have, it limits the powers of the government.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
    #9512812 - 12/29/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Like others have said, Obama will not legalize any drugs, so people should focus their questions on decriminalization and medical use instead, and clealy ask the question "why or why not" so you might actually get an answer.

Also, not to sound like a jerk, but people posting questions should use their head and ask a clear question instead of just typing out whatever random thought is in their head at the time...examples of what I'm talking about that I saw on that site;

"The 'War on Drugs' is ineffective-billions of dollars are put into the criminalization of people using/selling a drug has positive side effects. Legalization of marijuana could bring our nation out of it's economic crisis with proper taxing and laws."


"Millions of Americans use marijuana recreationally. Obama should regulate and tax the sale of it.  Add billions to the economy, lots of jobs,reduce the unnecessary strain on the legal system.  It would also reduce the overcrowding in our prisons."



Uh...Ok.  Where are the questions here? 

Its a forum to ask the Obama team questions, not just type out your thoughts with no actual question...


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    #9512817 - 12/29/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I registered and voted.
And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life.
Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.


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    #9512836 - 12/29/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I registered and voted.
And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life.
Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.




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I registered and voted.
And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life.
Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.




Yes well, he certainly wouldn't want to be the first president EVER to break his promises, would he?
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9512866 - 12/29/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I totally agree, but the constitution loses more value as the days pass. I've completely given up hope in our govt. I believe it's just gotten too big at this point and it's lost control of itself.




again I cite our duties as citizens, in pushing to restore
our freedoms to choose what we decide to consume whether it
be an illicit substance or some questionable food product
like raw milk we start reducing the size and scope of the
federal government, without the war on drugs, what's the
point in the DEA, they have more that 10,000 employees and a
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There's nothing we can really do. We could slowly bring it around by reform after reform and maybe in 50-100 years we'll be back on track, but I think it's a far better idea to overthrow the current system and start over yet again.




this is the first step in a revolution, without the support
of the people do you honestly believe that overthrowing the
government is going to happen, people need to be made aware
that government absolutely refuses to work on their behalf,
the first step is always to redress your grievances, not to
simply go out and act, act alone and you're a criminal, act
as a nation and you make the change



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It's like my computer. I keep doing shit with it, dling things, installing things, removing things etc. I try and keep it organized I run my antivirus (well not really :p), cleanup old files etc. but over time it just gets out of hand and it's easier to backup my important data and reformat.




that's a great analogy, it's not yet time to format,
remember, you dont keep up with running your antivirus,
you've not deleted all the useless programs or even emptied
the recycle bin regularly, it's when you've done all these
things and it still doesnt function properly that you have to
reformat but you also need an idea of what you need to
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
    #9512868 - 12/29/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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jackshroomer said:
Quote:

doom876 said:

As long as Obama is a good president, i could care less about his past.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands arrested every year for it, don't say idiotic shit. It's bigger then pot, it's your own liberty to do what you want with your body.

By the way, his mother was from the US, so he is a dual citizen.



hey fuck u . tell me why this man went from being a citizen of indonesia with a good ole american name like barry soetoro. to barack hussien obama. and why he failed to let anyone know about this unitl it was leaked. and then they made a fake birth certificate. yea. hes gonna be ggrrreaatt. and dont give me this liberty of ur body shit. its not bigger than pot. its actualy just as simple as pot. im gonna smoke regardless. if u are gonna let someone tell u that u cant smoke thats ur deal. i got my liberties.




Thats all grand ,but dont cry when they lock you up like leary for 20 years over half a joint.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Plastered marble]
    #9512916 - 12/29/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Plastered marble said:
Quote:

creekfreek said:
I registered and voted.
And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life.
Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.




Yes well, he certainly wouldn't want to be the first president EVER to break his promises, would he?
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so what do you say we make sure he's the first president to keep his promises


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9512939 - 12/29/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I voted for Obama.

But if he continues to ignore the will of the people like this I might regret not voting for Ron Paul.


Thanks for this post, I went and voted on most of the topics having to do with legalization.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Geomancer]
    #9512946 - 12/29/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Like others have said, Obama will not legalize any drugs, so people should focus their questions on decriminalization and medical use instead, and clealy ask the question "why or why not" so you might actually get an answer.






why play for the short term, dont screw around with peanuts,
in decriminalizing it's going to still allow for thee war on
drugs to continue, it will allow the government to continue
prosecuting drug users, in decriminalization it's always some
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9512949 - 12/29/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)





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    #9512989 - 12/29/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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so what do you say we make sure he's the first president to keep his promises




I seriously doubt that will happen, but -you're right- it should not be for our lack of trying.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9513165 - 12/29/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I told you...


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Plastered marble]
    #9513193 - 12/29/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

the way I see it is

a politician wins by being politically wise, this means gaining support from the most groups possible

that support is good will, hope, optimism and trust. It can then be used to get things done. Like health care, fixing the economy, ending the wars.

When the politician actually does something, they do it in a way that some people like, and others don't. Thus every time they do something, they lose some of their general support and ability to do anything.

If Obama wants to legalize marijuana, he wouldn't try to because he sees the wars, the economy and health care as far more important. That's where he's going to spend his 'political capital'.

What you got to do is take the grass roots approach. Work with NORMAL and DRC. Tell the straight people who know you well and wont call the cops on you that you have smoked marijuana for years and it's added to your quality of life. Tell them you use it like alcohol. Gain their sympathy.

We need to de-demonize the drug, not hope that some magic politician will fix things for us.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Redstorm]
    #9513214 - 12/29/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Apparently you have very little knowledge regarding the constitution.

Ninth Amendment: "In addition, the Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people," and reserves all powers not specifically granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States."

The Constitution doesn't list the rights you have, it limits the powers of the government.




Apparently you have very little knowledge of case law.  How many cases have been won by a defendant on the basis of a 9th Amendment right?  The answer is precious few.  The Bill of Rights was not meant to be an enumeration of rights, but that's what it is in practice.  In many cases, judges cite other parts of the constitution (such as the interstate commerce clause) to justify the infringement of rights and sometimes they just say the activity in question isn't covered by any rights.  Drug prohibition is a perfect example of this.  The constitution says that the federal government only has the powers specifically listed.  Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the government has the right to regulate simple possession of a substance and one could argue (rightly, in my opinion) that one has an inherent right to control what does or doesn't go into their own body, yet the courts have held that the governmental regulation of controlled substances, even simple possession, is related to interstate commerce and thus it is in the government's power to restrict whatever 9th Amendment rights you thought you had.  In practice, just about every challenge to something's covered by the interstate commerce clause is rejected. 

Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent.  In summary, the 9th Amendment doesn't really mean anything in practice.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
    #9513219 - 12/29/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Obama is scum and a puppet, he won't do anything his masters don't want him to do. I doubt they will change their stance, if they do it is somewhat smart to actually catch people off guard with the whole "change" shit. Frankly they want addictive drugs, not pot, it would still be smart to get people high and forget their liberties are being taken away elsewhere. Regardless its third party/Ron Paul or bust. Obama is loved and people will submit to him like good little sheep, don't expect change, just pray it all doesn't go to hell.

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9513258 - 12/29/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I voted.

I wonder how they will modify the Open For Questions format when a pesky marijuana question is getting bumped to the top of the list every round.  :thebird:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #9513403 - 12/29/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Why can't I find this specific question?

Found it.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #9513449 - 12/29/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Its not even going to be close this time...Ita all about the bank bailouts...I voted for it and I dont even smoke pot.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DragonChaser]
    #9513452 - 12/29/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Get this thing posted up onto 4chan.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kidaihuan]
    #9513462 - 12/29/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

voted...though i bet we get screwed with a shitty ass answer again...

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #9513494 - 12/29/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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weiliiiiiii said:







Ironic that he mentions in the first video not wanting to use the Justice Dept(@ 2:13) to circumvent state laws because it would waste resources that could otherwise be used for violent crimes and terrorism.

Meanwhile federal, state and municipal police forces are busy catching and detaining marijuana users, courts are tied up with marijuana cases, prisons are filled with people charged with marijuana possession/sales/etc. Why not free up all those resources with legalization? Sounds like backwards politician logic to me. :shrug:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: FooMan]
    #9513517 - 12/29/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Search with the word "Legalization" and vote up anything and everything.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kidaihuan]
    #9513555 - 12/29/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I can't access the website because I'm in China, but how many votes are we at, how many votes do we need, and how much time is left?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kidaihuan]
    #9513614 - 12/29/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The top question has 5000 votes.


The marijuana question has 1000 votes.

The question is currently at number 31.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: unretarded]
    #9513621 - 12/29/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

the questions are also ordered in categories, most marijuana questions are located in the "Additional Issues" category where the 2nd question regards the drug war.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9513633 - 12/29/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, so we have a long ways to go. How Many until the top ten? We should have got on this sooner.

How much time left?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kidaihuan]
    #9513784 - 12/29/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't access the website because I'm in China, but how many votes are we at, how many votes do we need, and how much time is left?




use a web proxy

http://anonymouse.org


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: unretarded]
    #9513796 - 12/29/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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The top question has 5000 votes.


The marijuana question has 1000 votes.

The question is currently at number 31.




that's up from 180 with 340 votes


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    #9513857 - 12/29/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Where can you view the top questions overall?


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    #9513934 - 12/29/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I checked the top ten questions 3 hours ago and none of them have to do with drug policy.  It's all about bank accountablility and stupid shit that the peasant populace can bitch about but it's not going to change anything.
I'm on the mailing list after the first go around with the pot question and I can tell right now it's like talking to a wall, I think I've been fooled by the whole marketing of CHANGE with this administration because it seems very simular to the last one.
I did send in a question asking for the scheduled drugs list done by the Nixon administration to be reviewed and more accurately reflect the drugs and laws.
But will it make a difference?  Of course not, a lot of what I heard is that Obama will make real CHANGE during his second term. 
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    #9513984 - 12/29/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Last time we got a huge percentage of the voters from 4chan and Digg.


Need some diehards to work on keeping it on the front page of 4chan and work it up on Digg.


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I checked the top ten questions 3 hours ago and none of them have to do with drug policy.  It's all about bank accountablility and stupid shit that the peasant populace can bitch about but it's not going to change anything.
I'm on the mailing list after the first go around with the pot question and I can tell right now it's like talking to a wall, I think I've been fooled by the whole marketing of CHANGE with this administration because it seems very simular to the last one.
I did send in a question asking for the scheduled drugs list done by the Nixon administration to be reviewed and more accurately reflect the drugs and laws.
But will it make a difference?  Of course not, a lot of what I heard is that Obama will make real CHANGE during his second term. 
Maybe the world will finally implode by then. :whatever:




because your were in the 'economy' category.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9514016 - 12/29/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have to view the questions by category or is there a list with all of the questions?


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    #9514115 - 12/29/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

@ supernovasky,
Im all for it but
After reading all the answers last time ,It wasnt even him answering.It was someone else.Some staffer


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    #9514126 - 12/29/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've been maintaining a couple threads on 4chan for the last couple hours.

Last time around I spent the last 6 hours maintaining 2-3 threads at a time there and there was a huge response.

Unfortunately my Chinese connection to 4chan just died, so, we are going to need some people to take over and post and maintain threads in /b/.


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    #9514163 - 12/29/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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voted...though i bet we get screwed with a shitty ass answer again...




In all fairness, they answered the question just fine.  The problem was with the question, not the answer.  Do you plan to legalize marijuana?  That was the question asked last time, what did you expect them to say?  Would you rather they have lied and said, "yeah, like, next tuesday, man!"


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9514204 - 12/29/08 07:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You can also vote the top questions down by voting the X instead of the check mark


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kidaihuan]
    #9514220 - 12/29/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

We've got to focus on getting it to the top ten overal questions - first.

How far are we from #10?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9514247 - 12/29/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

supernovasky said:
It has gone viral in less than a day.

I am proposing that we flood every page with marijuana questions until we get ours anwered.




And be sure to only vote for the questions that are very clear and have a "why or why not?" at the end so you have a chance at an explanation if they choose to answer it...


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9514255 - 12/29/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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It is so close to being top 10 overall its not even funny, if it is not already top 10 overall.

Its already #2 on additional issues.

And every other question on that page is marijuana.



Nope looks like your competing against gay rights crap..they are taking the top spots.:thumbdown:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9514405 - 12/29/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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5) Send a link to NORML so that they can put it on their front page.





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    #9514492 - 12/29/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: dr_gonz]
    #9514528 - 12/29/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

there's no failure unless you simply dont try


norml bumped the blog entry back to the first page,
unfortunately our question wasnt the one they listed but it
doesnt matter, they're on the ball, thanks to the rest of you
guys that have emailed them... unless I'm the only one then
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9514535 - 12/29/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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supernovasky said:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Here_is_your_chance_to_legalize_Marijuana_Round_2

Digg this too. It's more straightforward.



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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9514594 - 12/29/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I finally caught this one in time.  I clicked the check mark next to both of those questions, does that mean I  voted?  It just said "saving" it didn't really say question submitted or anything.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Newbie]
    #9514623 - 12/29/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i meade it in time too.



WHY mr obama? WHY?  i voted for you so you better fucking answer this time you prick!


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #9514671 - 12/29/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

in time? how long does it go for? how much time do we have?

as I said, I can't accress it


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    #9514680 - 12/29/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Unfortunately my Chinese connection to 4chan just died,




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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kidaihuan]
    #9514686 - 12/29/08 08:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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kidaihuan said:
in time? how long does it go for? how much time do we have?

as I said, I can't accress it




it says on the site that it will be closed and questions
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I assume that means we have until midnight new years eve,
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #9514708 - 12/29/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

kidaihuan said:
Unfortunately my Chinese connection to 4chan just died,




???




It started working again and I made a new thread, but regardless, need some more helpers.

You in China?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9514854 - 12/29/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

current standings, apparently no one considered the way it
was answered the last time so they continue to ask for the
yes/no answers

#29
Will you consider legalizing marijuana so that the government can regulate it, tax it, put age limits on it and create millions of new jobs.

#62
"Will you consider the legalization of marijuana both to provide revenue and alleviate the completely out of control prison population in this country?"

#104
"Will you ever consider the legalization of marijuana? It is already one of the largest cash crops in a number of states, and the #1 cash crop in some of them. If it were legal and taxed we would no longer be in such debt. It would be all gone."

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"Do you plan to continue the dismal failure known as "The War on Drugs", which is costing the nation billions each year with no positive outcomes?"

#128
Why not Industrial Hemp? Organic plastics, organic fabrics, organic construction material, and organic papers can be created here - instead of having to import from China, Mexico, Canada. Also, Industrial Hemp cannot be used as a drug. Why not?"

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"Will the Obama administration consider legalizing the multi-billion marijuana industry in order to create a whole new spectrum of wealth for the country, to pay foreign debts, and to stop making criminals of non-violent and innocent people?"

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"Would you consider putting a vote to the people, letting us choose whether we'd rather the government legalize and tax marijuana or increase our individual taxes to the degree necessary to make the same improvements in government spending and income?"

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9514906 - 12/29/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hopefully the extra pressure of marijuana questions being successful twice will cause them to give a more thorough answer.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DimensionX]
    #9514958 - 12/29/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

unfortunately sensible questions arent being pushed, I have a
hard time believing our status hasnt changed in several hours,
I get the feeling there's some hanky panky going on behind the
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9514972 - 12/29/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I get that feeling to.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: hamandcheese]
    #9514978 - 12/29/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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hamandcheese said:
If you really want the laws changed hand write letter to your congressmen, state government etc.  I know you all think that Obama should respond to the questions asked and voted for, on this site, he will change very little if at all  the federal government's stance on this issue. and the website doesn't represent the general populace, it represents a specific demographic.  you have a much better chance of "having your voice heard" writing a thoughtful handwritten letter to a state rep than you do voting on a website. sure it may take a bit more effort but if this is an issue you truly care about then you should put forth that extra effort.



Hear Hear. I doth concur with this guy. :hangover:  :circuspanda:  :sperms:  :safesex:  :trishstratus:  :melyssaford:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DimensionX]
    #9514982 - 12/29/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

if we have 2 days, that plenty of time to drive all the drug related questions to the top 100


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9515001 - 12/29/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah i think it will happen whether they like it or not. I can't remember if the question were categorized like this last time. Because it is relegating most of the marijuana questions in to "additional issues" which happens to be at the bottom of the list. Making it less publicized.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DimensionX]
    #9515014 - 12/29/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

one of the distractions now is the big blue box at the top


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9515055 - 12/29/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, i don't think its a coincidence. Catagories also makes it so we can't have such a clear cut victory. It will be marijuana was the most popular additional issue rather than all round most popular question.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9515090 - 12/29/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It's in third place in the additional issues category, need about 300 more votes. We can do this people!:hippie:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #9515278 - 12/29/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Theyre probably expecting marijuana legalization to be a prime issue again, lets hope they feel nice enough to give a thorough answer.

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    #9515410 - 12/29/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

everybody just needs to vote for one common good question, theres to many random shitty yes or no drug questions which makes it confusing. We gota pool our resources and bump up one good one.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: danielx]
    #9515565 - 12/29/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

vote several good questions.... one that originated from
GrassCity that certainly deserves a vote, like us, there's
several threads, I've been encouraging people on a few boards
not to vote for the poorly phrased questions

"Without a one line stock answer, why won't President Elect Obama, just as Roosevelt had done with Beer in the 1930s, legalize, tax, and regulate the use of Cannabis among responsible adults while creating thousands of jobs to stimulate our economy?"


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9516607 - 12/30/08 05:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hahaha, under "other issues" the top like...15 questions are pissed off about his marijuana response.

Even if he's still firm on his "NO." this is obviously showing theres a huge number of people that are for the decriminalization, if not legalization of marijuana.

Fuck everything else, I just wanna be able to smoke a blunt in my lawn without getting arrested.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: RasJeph]
    #9516665 - 12/30/08 06:19 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Right now, there's only 20,000 people that voted on this thing. That hardly means much at all. That's that .0001% of America.

It's mainly because ignorant, old, and religious (oh, I already said ignorant, sorry) people don't use the internet. If only we could figure out a way those people couldn't use america then this place might start looking up.


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    #9516718 - 12/30/08 06:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

krypto2000 said:
Right now, there's only 20,000 people that voted on this thing. That hardly means much at all. That's that .0001% of America.

It's mainly because ignorant, old, and religious (oh, I already said ignorant, sorry) people don't use the internet. If only we could figure out a way those people couldn't use america then this place might start looking up.




Well obviously it means something to them or they wouldn't have the site. I realize its not that much of the population but of the internet voting population its the biggest issue at the moment.


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    #9516739 - 12/30/08 07:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think it means the same thing the elections do, the debates do, etc. It reinforces the illusion that the people are involved in the law making process.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: doom876]
    #9516763 - 12/30/08 07:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

doom876 said:
Quote:

jackshroomer said:
im not even gonna take my time to say why this is pointless. id rather ask obama who barry saetoro or however the fuck u spell it. and where the fuck his birth certificate is. and why hes a legal citizen on Indonesia and not America? fuck weed. its pretty much legal anyway.



As long as Obama is a good president, i could care less about his past.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands arrested every year for it, don't say idiotic shit. It's bigger then pot, it's your own liberty to do what you want with your body.

By the way, his mother was from the US, so he is a dual citizen.


  ? are you serious.  I feel like calling you retarded but I'll take the high road.:rofl2:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DieCommie]
    #9517341 - 12/30/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

my votes in...i really hope he gets his head out of his ass.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: mudkip]
    #9517366 - 12/30/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think they deleted the questions, there were like 6 of them in the top 20 2 days ago, now they are gone...


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    #9517386 - 12/30/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Whoops, double ><


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    #9517394 - 12/30/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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monkeywrench said:
Quote:

doom876 said:
Quote:

jackshroomer said:
im not even gonna take my time to say why this is pointless. id rather ask obama who barry saetoro or however the fuck u spell it. and where the fuck his birth certificate is. and why hes a legal citizen on Indonesia and not America? fuck weed. its pretty much legal anyway.



As long as Obama is a good president, i could care less about his past.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands arrested every year for it, don't say idiotic shit. It's bigger then pot, it's your own liberty to do what you want with your body.

By the way, his mother was from the US, so he is a dual citizen.


  ? are you serious.  I feel like calling you retarded but I'll take the high road.:rofl2:




This is a dead issue. Any monkey can google this and the very first hit will give you all the proof a person of sound mind would need.

Both presidential nominees were flooded by demands of proof of citizenship, and both were found to be lawful citizens. So stop beating the dead horse.

Democrats won, Republicans lost, get over yourself. And before you go trying to slander democrats in an attempt to get to me, I'm a libertarian. I voted for Bob Barr.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9517446 - 12/30/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think I gota call bullshit on this poll this time around.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: danielx]
    #9517682 - 12/30/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i think the answer to the title question is that 92% (and this is the *only* DEA statistic that i find plausible) of voters favour escalating the drug war..and view ending it as the equivalent to a military surrender in a world war...

the drug war is a religious war...as such..the facts..as damning as they are..have no power to combat it.. but rather the underlying religion itself (which is obviously different from prohibition) must be attacked...


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Annapurna1]
    #9517777 - 12/30/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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i think the answer to the title question is that 92% (and this is the *only* DEA statistic that i find plausible) of voters favour escalating the drug war..and view ending it as the equivalent to a military surrender in a world war...

the drug war is a religious war...as such..the facts..as damning as they are..have no power to combat it.. but rather the underlying religion itself (which is obviously different from prohibition) must be attacked...




I also find the 92% DEA statistic plausible, but only if the DEA went to people's doors for the statistic.

If I had a man come to my door in a suite backed by the power of legions of soldiers armed with mp5s, dogs, and body armor asking me "Do you support the drug war and condone its escalation?" Any person with a shred of self preservation (Including myself) would say in responds "I hate all drugs illegal and evil by your decree. Any non-government official caught with such should be imprisoned or worse, sieg heil!"


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Drakion]
    #9518489 - 12/30/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

We have alot more votes to go =x


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Drakion]
    #9518690 - 12/30/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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i think the answer to the title question is that 92% (and this is the *only* DEA statistic that i find plausible) of voters favour escalating the drug war..and view ending it as the equivalent to a military surrender in a world war...

the drug war is a religious war...as such..the facts..as damning as they are..have no power to combat it.. but rather the underlying religion itself (which is obviously different from prohibition) must be attacked...




I also find the 92% DEA statistic plausible, but only if the DEA went to people's doors for the statistic.

If I had a man come to my door in a suite backed by the power of legions of soldiers armed with mp5s, dogs, and body armor asking me "Do you support the drug war and condone its escalation?" Any person with a shred of self preservation (Including myself) would say in responds "I hate all drugs illegal and evil by your decree. Any non-government official caught with such should be imprisoned or worse, sieg heil!"




you dont need any hardware to ellicit a "sieg heil!" from the american sheeple...


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Annapurna1]
    #9518697 - 12/30/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

They divided the "open for questions" section into different parts, so the questions about drugs, even if they make it to number one in the "Other topics" category, can be quietly ignored.


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exactly.

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #9518716 - 12/30/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

An obvious change, and not entirely unexpected.

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DieCommie]
    #9518797 - 12/30/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

you wanna know why he doesnt support marijuana laws?
because he is a socialist pig and he wants to enslave you, now i know he promises this "HOPE" and "Better tomorrow"
but guess what
so did hitler and all the other dictators of the world,
basiclly the wolf found the shepards clothing, he puts on the robe and grabs the staff and promises to lead them to this "better" America this "Promise land", but really he is leading them to get sold or killed
Hitler made his move on a ecomonic(spelling?) down fall an look whats happening all over the world


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DemonoftheDrop]
    #9518833 - 12/30/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Too true, I had a German born Spanish teacher in High School who's mother lived through WWII. She said her mother still swore Hitler was a good man, simply because he stimulated the economy so much. Look at Bill Clinton, sure there were some rabble-rousers, but who really gave a fuck what he did with the way our economy was going? A fucking surplus, low un-employment and blow jobs from fat chicks... The American Dream!:grin:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DemonoftheDrop]
    #9518945 - 12/30/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I wish Obama was Socialist, this country would be better off that way IMO. But the fact is he is very Capitalistic, hes not even that liberal.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Rewrite]
    #9518957 - 12/30/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not for or against socialism/capitalism/fascism/w/eism. They are all flawed as a whole yet all have good aspectsto them.

I'm not sure what socialism has to do with marijuana being illegal though. You can be socialist and smoke ganj. :shrug:


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    #9519011 - 12/30/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DemonoftheDrop said:
you wanna know why he doesnt support marijuana laws?
because he is a socialist pig and he wants to enslave you, now i know he promises this "HOPE" and "Better tomorrow"
but guess what
so did hitler and all the other dictators of the world,
basiclly the wolf found the shepards clothing, he puts on the robe and grabs the staff and promises to lead them to this "better" America this "Promise land", but really he is leading them to get sold or killed
Hitler made his move on a ecomonic(spelling?) down fall an look whats happening all over the world




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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9519155 - 12/30/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So all the president has to do is say ok and it will be legalized? He is the only person this would go through?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kinderfeld11]
    #9519176 - 12/30/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: usefulidiot13]
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no.




I didn't think so. So why all the pressure?


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    #9519219 - 12/30/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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kinderfeld11 said:
Quote:

usefulidiot13 said:
no.




I didn't think so. So why all the pressure?



Cause at this point, congress doesn't give a fuck and it would take pressure from the president to make them put time into passing a bill to change its status.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: kinderfeld11]
    #9519255 - 12/30/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I didn't think so. So why all the pressure?




because it's his signature that makes it a law


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9519362 - 12/30/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The vote is up to 733 - when does voting close for them to start answering/how long do we have to get the votes up higher?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Platinum]
    #9519408 - 12/30/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I just checked on the vote and it has 4,050 or so, its the leading question in the additional questions section, but its stated in like 20 other places hahah.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: twighead]
    #9519507 - 12/30/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thats cool, number 1 in additional questions and the number 2 question is an anti drug war one. But i find this category thing really annoying. I hope it doesn't allow them to ignore it.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DimensionX]
    #9519760 - 12/30/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

look under national security, it's in the top 10

I've been on several of the cultivation forums and requested
that they select the questions they answer carefully, being the
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    #9519799 - 12/30/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome.


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    #9522209 - 12/31/08 04:43 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

We've got one more day, don't we? I vote we post links up on bluelight too...they've got a lot of members, and most of them are sensible to vote for this...I haven't been there in.a while ill probably have to make a new account. I think my username was rainstorm or something. As soon as I get on my regular computer today I'm gonna get on the ball and push this further... I will do whatever I can guys. I qull also post a link up on major groups on facebook maybe we can get more there. we gotta broaden our selection of target sites to link to these questions. I honestly think we can get this on the top ten overall by midnight tonight. Easily.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9522391 - 12/31/08 06:44 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

ATTN: There is already decriminalization legislation.

Everyone should go here to bother their REPRESENTATIVES about it.

https://secure2.convio.net/mpp/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=177

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Middleman]
    #9523311 - 12/31/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Did anybody get this up on 4chan yet?
That's what put it up there last time right?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DieCommie]
    #9523394 - 12/31/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

A Bush administration question surpassed the Marijuana ones over night in both Additional and National Security categories for number one spot.

Those will be nice comfy ones for them to answer.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: CokedUpHobit64]
    #9523459 - 12/31/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

I'm not saying they have used this but, I do believe they've built in a backdoor so they can alter the results if it's going unfavorably. You can call me a conspiracy theorist, but why wouldn't they? Look at all the shit they've admitted to doing. I don't think this would be big news, at least on MSM, if it came out that it were the case. It might be the top story of the day, but Obama's pr reps would spin it and say it's for security or something and it'd be forgotten tomorrow.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Middleman]
    #9523994 - 12/31/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

Middleman said:
ATTN: There is already decriminalization legislation.

Everyone should go here to bother their REPRESENTATIVES about it.

https://secure2.convio.net/mpp/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=177

Obama is a pop star puppet, he won't change shit.





without Obamas signature on that bill it's just another piece
of paper in washington, that's assuming we can get the bill
through congress, unless we pressure our president  he could
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
    #9524000 - 12/31/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

I just logged on to check the status of marijuana questions.  It let me vote for a second time on a bunch of questions I had already voted on.  That means everyone go back and vote again if you haven't!  Not sure how often it lets you do this.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
    #9524049 - 12/31/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

WOW! I'm very impressed. At first I thought this was a failure, and then I went to the "addiontal issues" part.

Nice job! :laugh:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Serdal]
    #9524092 - 12/31/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

well, until our legalization questions have more than 13000 votes, they wont have the impact that the others will


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9524108 - 12/31/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

How did this question jump to the top of additional issues within the last day? Is Alex Jones and his group of cronies making a big push to bump this to the top? :lol:

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    #9524269 - 12/31/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9524275 - 12/31/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

I rated a lot of the top questions down in each category, especially the economic one, not because I have a narrow singular ideology, but because they are dumb questions.

It looks like there are a lot of people that are just looking at the front pages and rating them all up, burying all of the other questions under them.

As far as I can tell, the score for each question is a simple difference between ups and downs (meaning my question currently has a score of -2, assholes :smirk:).

I hope they answer more of the foreign policy questions than economic ones.  Not only are they much better questions near the top, but it's actually the direct domain of the executive branch.


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    #9525092 - 12/31/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

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    #9525268 - 12/31/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

I will not bump the 404


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    #9526694 - 01/01/09 08:43 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Quote:

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ATTN: There is already decriminalization legislation.

Everyone should go here to bother their REPRESENTATIVES about it.

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Middleman]
    #9526752 - 01/01/09 09:06 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

yeah... I also know where the offices of my elected representatives are


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9526768 - 01/01/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Well all we need to do is snail mail them to death like other people have.

Isn't Barney Frank the chairman or something? Could his bill actually be passed?

It's a hard fight to earn civil rights.

I used to be into legalization activism but I learned very fast that most heads are too lazy to fight for their rights or are so conditioned by society that they actually think they don't deserve them.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Middleman]
    #9526860 - 01/01/09 10:00 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

When is voting on this supposed to end?  I just voted on some other issues.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Middleman]
    #9526920 - 01/01/09 10:20 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

mail is nice but it allows them to send a lovely form letter
instead of giving realtime answers, you dont want these people
to get their people on it, you know, the ones that will cite all
the propaganda, you want them in the public eye, you want it on
the 6pm news and all over youtube, you want to let the rest of
the US know their elected officials have no clue why they're
voting against it other than it seems to be in the best
interests of themselves or the large corporations

Most americans support the decriminalization or legalization of
marijuana, over half the cops in the US are uninterested in
enforcing the laws regarding the drug. The only way we'll convey
this message is to do what was done in the 60's and 70's, and
that's to gather our support, organize and show up to protest,
let them know we do in fact want change but not the kind of
change that's just more of the same


this is one of the few things barny frank has done that garners
any sort of respect not just because it's a personal use bill
that allows for more than an ounce but because it's a simple
bill that gets to the point, it doesnt toss in tons of legalese
riders or requests for additional funding for pet projects.
it's what US legislation should look like


here's the full text of the bill
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9527241 - 01/01/09 12:25 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I think if we stop pushing for federal laws and start asking Obama if he would support states rights for personal possession/ medical marijuana.
I think it would put less pressure on him and he might consider it. It is a more gradual transition, which is what we need.  :vaped:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #9527302 - 01/01/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

pressure on the executive and legislative branches is what we need,
in 2004 obama said he opposed the war on drugs, it helped get him
elected, he's done a 180 on the topic and has appointed a drug
czar, laying off obama is the last thing you want to do, obama can
veto any legislation that comes across his desk but he cant even
sign the legislation into law if it doesnt make it through the
house and senate... that's why the legislators need to be pressured


once federal laws are repealed then the states have the rights


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #9527304 - 01/01/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

allowing state laws to be legitimate would also require the dissolving of federal laws which outlaw the substance.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9527333 - 01/01/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I'm not saying stop putting pressure on Obama, just put more pressure on your local and state reps as we have done in MI and the 12 other states where the majority supports it.:psybong:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #9527394 - 01/01/09 01:04 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

again, repealing the federal laws or passing a law that allows for
personal use would allow the states to choose, it could then be
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    #9527399 - 01/01/09 01:06 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Drewwyann]
    #9529174 - 01/01/09 08:11 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

gave my vote:thumbup:
hopefully we get a better answer this time around.


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    #9529338 - 01/01/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: george castanza]
    #9529410 - 01/01/09 08:53 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I've stated this many times and I'll state it again...

Do not trust Obama
He is a puppet who did and said anything to get elected, and it worked because we naively fell for his 'change'
He runs with Joe Biden. Sponsor of the RAVE Act, which he sneakily and manipulatively tried to push onto congress hidden and tucked away into the Amber Alert Bill. Fortunately, due to activism by the ACLU, this didnt get far - THANK goodness. You really cant trust these guys, some shit is about to go down. I wouldnt touch that change.gov they probably log your IP or something


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But Jimi was feeling good - he'd shared some LSD with a friend, Herbert Worthington, who sat and watched him from the side: 'Jimi started singing "Spanish Castle Magic" and I was high, I was so happy, probably one of the happiest times of my life, being with an Angel [Jimi] and having a woman on each arm. I just went into an LSD laugh.' Jimi looked over to Herbert, realised that he too was peaking out on acid, tried to say something to Herbie, but it wouldn't come out.

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: methoxy]
    #9529532 - 01/01/09 09:28 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

yea, it's a conspiracy maaaan...


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: methoxy]
    #9529554 - 01/01/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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methoxy said:
I've stated this many times and I'll state it again...

Do not trust Obama
He is a puppet who did and said anything to get elected, and it worked because we naively fell for his 'change'
He runs with Joe Biden. Sponsor of the RAVE Act, which he sneakily and manipulatively tried to push onto congress hidden and tucked away into the Amber Alert Bill. Fortunately, due to activism by the ACLU, this didnt get far - THANK goodness. You really cant trust these guys, some shit is about to go down. I wouldnt touch that change.gov they probably log your IP or something




Looks like someone needs to LAY OFF the pot  :2cents:


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Almond Flour]
    #9530516 - 01/02/09 01:55 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

you nonbelievers...

he's right on many counts, Obama said he was going to change
washington, that he was against the washington insiders yet for
his cabinet he's selecting those very same people he claimed to
be against

read up on the man that america elected and those he's appointing
many are former clinton staffers, seems this change is more of
the same

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/obama-picking-washington-insiders-for-cabinet-despite-promising-change

For his health secretary he selected Tom Daschle, his wife is a lobbyist and as opposed to a medical or health degree he instead comes to us with a degree in political science, former intel officer for the Strategic Air Command and 20 years under his belt as a politician
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
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    #9530890 - 01/02/09 05:25 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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    #9531185 - 01/02/09 08:21 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

he is fundamentally different


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9531325 - 01/02/09 09:28 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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you nonbelievers...

he's right on many counts, Obama said he was going to change
washington, that he was against the washington insiders yet for
his cabinet he's selecting those very same people he claimed to
be against

read up on the man that america elected and those he's appointing
many are former clinton staffers, seems this change is more of
the same

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/obama-picking-washington-insiders-for-cabinet-despite-promising-change

For his health secretary he selected Tom Daschle, his wife is a lobbyist and as opposed to a medical or health degree he instead comes to us with a degree in political science, former intel officer for the Strategic Air Command and 20 years under his belt as a politician
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94IIPN00&show_article=1





I agree with you on several points, but I'm hoping he will still fulfill his other promises even though his marijuana/drug policies are seemingly extremely dismal so far.

He can still do a lot of good for the country by ending the war in Iraq and establishing a better international face for the US. Plus, I would CERTAINLY rather have Obama than McCain/Palin. :shudder:

I don't think he's immovable on the marijuana/drug issue, we just have to put enough pressure on him to see that he needs to keep his promises.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9532070 - 01/02/09 01:13 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Try doing anything on a national scale without the support of the people and you will fail.

Much of our population disagrees with drug users.

It's much more simple than a conspiracy theory will ever make it.

Remember Lincoln didn't free the slaves until it was politically possible.

What's possible is possible, what's not is not.

Take your energy and use it for something practical!


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9532092 - 01/02/09 01:18 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Much of our population disagrees with drug users.






incorrect, about 70% of the people nation wide support decriminalization measures


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9532119 - 01/02/09 01:26 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

ONCE AGAIN FOR YOU GUYS THAT DIDNT READ:

OBAMA RUNS WITH JOE BIDEN, SPONSOR OF THE RAVE ACT, A BLATANT VIOLATION OF OUR CIVIL RIGHTS WHICH HE SNEAKILY AND MANIPULATIVELY TRIED TO PUSH ONTO CONGRESS. THANKS TO EFFORTS INVOLVING THE ACLU, THIS DIDNT GET FAR. THEY ARE TIED INTO THE DRUG WAR AND NWO. DONT BOTHER.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: methoxy]
    #9532140 - 01/02/09 01:31 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

not bothering is not caring and would make us personally responsible for the drug war instead of victims of it.

regardless of who the VP is we need to impress upon the president the importance of decriminalization.


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    #9532184 - 01/02/09 01:41 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9532436 - 01/02/09 02:40 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

You guys are fooled thinking Obama is going to change things. He isn't going to change shit. This was all a ploy to get a negro into office. A really bad scary negro who will probably get us nuked by NK or attacked by terrorists. A bad person that does support the war on drugs.

Imagine this scary shit:

Say that they finally prove Obama is not a US born natural citizen, then his presidency is annulled and JOE BIDEN TAKES THE FUCKING SEAT

we would be in even more trouble then

you shut the fuck up. face the facts - we're fucked.


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But Jimi was feeling good - he'd shared some LSD with a friend, Herbert Worthington, who sat and watched him from the side: 'Jimi started singing "Spanish Castle Magic" and I was high, I was so happy, probably one of the happiest times of my life, being with an Angel [Jimi] and having a woman on each arm. I just went into an LSD laugh.' Jimi looked over to Herbert, realised that he too was peaking out on acid, tried to say something to Herbie, but it wouldn't come out.

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: methoxy]
    #9532530 - 01/02/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

ok kids... 2 things, settle down, this should be a positive
discussion, not a bunch of kids trying to one up each other with
put downs


second, methoxy, what's it really matter if the man is black


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9532731 - 01/02/09 03:56 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Quote:

Freedom said:
Much of our population disagrees with drug users.






incorrect, about 70% of the people nation wide support decriminalization measures




it depends on how you ask the question in the polls

and those that disaprove really disaprove. that's why it will be a political fight.

there is a video of obama taking about decriminalization. he doesn't say how he personally feels about it in the video, but he specifically states that he won't spend the political capital on it when there are wars and the economy to think about.

even though I want drugs decriminalized, I would be horrified if Obama tried to make them legal, because it would only polarize the white house vs. the conservative congress, and nothing would get done, when we really need to do a lot.

make it easier for the politicians to pass drug legalization by informing your fellow citizens. undo the demonization and then it will be possible.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9532787 - 01/02/09 04:06 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

many of this demonization is coming from the government itself. I myself have encountered stiff resistance when trying to inform my fellow man and all due to government propaganda on the subject.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9532915 - 01/02/09 04:30 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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he specifically states that he won't spend the political capital on it when there are wars and the economy to think about.





political capital? is he saying it'll cost him his credibility as an empty suit?

Quote:


make it easier for the politicians to pass drug legalization by informing your fellow citizens. undo the demonization and then it will be possible.




well how you gonna get the word out to the general public if you
dont bring it to their attention, I've already mentioned the
ways to get the ball rolling and why dont we stop all this
nonsense about decriminalization, because under that guise it's
still punishable by a fine, something still shows up on your
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    #9533111 - 01/02/09 05:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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political capital? is he saying it'll cost him his credibility as an empty suit?




No, to get the 99% of the congressman who would vote against it though to vote for it, he would have to sell the farm




the farm has already been sold, well, foreclosed on because of
the Ag bills that required farmers to over machine their
production, now instead of a rock solid tractor they have a
mortgage up to their eyeballs, a payment on a combine and a new
tractor that was far more than needed, this was to get the
'grant' that didnt have to be paid back but couldnt be used to
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bring in every favor, and spend time that should be spent, I don't know, repairing the economy and other damage from Bush




lets not blame bush for the problems that started with the
Clinton administration, NAFTA and the Grahm-Leach-Bliley Act had
nothng to do with bush, they did how ever come from a congress
under the clinton administration. Anyway how exactly will he be
repairing something that he's a contributor to the failing of,
sign a few bills that allow for more high paid executives to get
richer off the working man, more crap to keep the politicians
from losing money on their investments while the rest of us
struggle to get by?

Quote:

to say, divert the world from it's current path of imminent destruction.





lol... empty suit will be sending 30k more troops to the middle
east, apparently he plans on bringing them some more democracy

Quote:

"if you don't send me that bill, I'll shut down the government, because that's all the government really does anyways, and who cares about keeping old people from freezing to death in there homes, when we can just send them to hell with a nice fat doobie?"




the man doesnt have that kind of power, Speaker of The House may
and being that it's democrats in both chambers and the oval
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    #9533210 - 01/02/09 05:32 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I was being a bit more metaphorical with the term 'farm.'

He may not be able to do much about the economy, but he'll be expected to devote his time looking like he is doing something about it.  When that calms down, he'll have to spend the next 3 years on foreign policy, the true domain of the executive branch.  And that IS the fault of Bush, unquestionably.

And Obama could conceivable shut down the government if he wanted by vetoing every budget.. it happens in California every single year recently.  I'm not saying he would though, that was sort of the point.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Ferris]
    #9533310 - 01/02/09 05:48 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

obama's not an empty suit, neither was gore, neither was bush.

consensus requires comprimise, often times painful.

to lead, the president has to be skillful at comprimise. Parts of our culture are terrified of drugs. This has nothing to do with obama except that he sees them and is wise enough not to pick a fight with them.


obama is the only person to run for president who see's things from many sides. not your side, not my side, and not only his own side. He has displayed an ability to not only see others perspectives, but to not trash that perspective. to accept it even if he does not believe it.

Personally I have been waiting for that for a long time.

it is not some idealized president that is going to change the law. it's going to be people like you and me, normal citizens that happen to use drugs. we will change the law by changing the culture and society first. If you have credibility amongst your family, friends and colleagues, tell them you don't think drugs should be illegal. Better yet tell them you've been using drugs responsibly for years. We keep it a secret and the only thing we succede in doing is ostricizing ourselves.

no magic fairy is going to come down and legalize drugs for us. Not even ron pual!


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    #9533412 - 01/02/09 06:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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I was being a bit more metaphorical with the term 'farm.'





I was being literal in the terms of how government handles things

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he'll have to spend the next 3 years on foreign policy, the true domain of the executive branch.  And that IS the fault of Bush, unquestionably.





without a doubt the world view of the US has been bad, I seems
to remember  a little war called viet nam that really set things
back for us, just when that is over it seems some people in Iran
decided they wanted US hostages, why the US, I could never
understand that one, time progresses and there's a few small
events, a few larger ones, the world trade center gets bombed,
we send troops to fight in several countries around the globe
and about  50 years after the start of viet nam our image has
been the same, but we still like to blame bush when it
actuality, it's that whole foreign 'stick your nose where it
dont belong' policy that has given this image to the world



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And Obama could conceivable shut down the government if he wanted by vetoing every budget.. it happens in California every single year recently.  I'm not saying he would though, that was sort of the point.





isnt Arnie begging for federal bail out money?


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    #9533672 - 01/02/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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consensus requires comprimise, often times painful.




compromise of principals and values?

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to lead, the president has to be skillful at comprimise.



Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'





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we will change the law by changing the culture and society first.

no magic fairy is going to come down and legalize drugs for us. Not even ron pual!





and how will you do that without drawing positive attention to
the subject, as I've stated for many years, you need to beat
down the doors of your reps, these people will not vote on your
behalf until you get their attention. Write your reps, recieve a
response, one they've typed long ago that may or may not have
addressed the issues you brought forth, some seem quite
personable but none the less they dont have time to write and
send out 1000 letters per week, just automated responses

Every year they hold these 'pot rallies', some draw crowds
larger than 50k, instead of holding them in the city park, hold
them in the parking lot of Senator or Representative Whothehellever
get on to the phone and let the local news know that way you
have a couple days in the public eye, do it all again a few days
before a legalization bill is to be put to the vote

today we have the greatest means for organizing, we have social
networking sites like myspace and face book, we have
international communities like the shroomery where 500 people in
50 states can plan these events and organize a means of
organizing, we have  similar sites like grass city and cannabis
culture in which we can team up and work together in order to
draw even more attention to this cause and generate more
support, only then can you start that education process, telling
your family and friends will do little because that's where the
chain stops, maybe a few will share what they learn, most will
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    #9533691 - 01/02/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'





He was referring to the Iraqi war in the first instance and the Afghan war in the second.


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and how will you do that without drawing positive attention to
the subject, as I've stated for many years, you need to beat
down the doors of your reps, these people will not vote on your
behalf until you get their attention. Write your reps, recieve a
response, one they've typed long ago that may or may not have
addressed the issues you brought forth, some seem quite
personable but none the less they dont have time to write and
send out 1000 letters per week, just automated responses

Every year they hold these 'pot rallies', some draw crowds
larger than 50k, instead of holding them in the city park, hold
them in the parking lot of Senator or Representative Whothehellever
get on to the phone and let the local news know that way you
have a couple days in the public eye, do it all again a few days
before a legalization bill is to be put to the vote

today we have the greatest means for organizing, we have social
networking sites like myspace and face book, we have
international communities like the shroomery where 500 people in
50 states can plan these events and organize a means of
organizing, we have  similar sites like grass city and cannabis
culture in which we can team up and work together in order to
draw even more attention to this cause and generate more
support, only then can you start that education process, telling
your family and friends will do little because that's where the
chain stops, maybe a few will share what they learn, most will
just tell you what you want to hear




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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9533712 - 01/02/09 07:05 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Beege said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'





He was referring to the Iraqi war in the first instance and the Afghan war in the second.





it doesnt matter, both are the 'war on terror', it simply
demonstrates that his pliability suggests he'll do what ever it
takes to make his party happy


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9533719 - 01/02/09 07:07 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

can you cite the second quote please? It's not that I don't believe you it's just I don't remember him saying he would increase troop numbers...


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9533929 - 01/02/09 07:40 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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compromise of principals and values?




it may seem that way, but things don't seem that black and white to me.

sometimes you have do what you can without undermining yourself by trying to do what you can't.

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Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'




maybe. maybe this is the same as not alienating anyone.

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today we have the greatest means for organizing, we have social
networking sites like myspace and face book, we have
international communities like the shroomery where 500 people in
50 states can plan these events and organize a means of
organizing, we have  similar sites like grass city and cannabis
culture in which we can team up and work together in order to
draw even more attention to this cause and generate more
support, only then can you start that education process, telling
your family and friends will do little because that's where the
chain stops, maybe a few will share what they learn, most will
just tell you what you want to hear




the problem, as i see it, was born out of mutual alienation.

First you had the drug propaganda that was not just from the government but in the press and in the culture like on pulp book covers.

Then you had the hippie movement which was an agressive resistance to the conservative culture.

By doing this the hippies helped isolate themselves. To the conservative culture they became 'the other'. Therefore they could be demonized.

To me, protests only serve to alienate drug users. The conservative culture (as opposed to the liberal culture) does not learn anything and is not moved by these protests. They just look at the stupid hippies and shake their head. It further isolates us. It extends the 'us vs. them' mentality.

We need to extend the 'us is them' mentality. Our task, our responsibility is to show the conservative culture that we are actually much like them. We want a good life, we want our children to have a good life, and we are more or less sane, like them.

We need to show them that we are not violent, deranged, desperate or dangerous to their society.But how can we blame them for thinking this? We've given no reason for them to think otherwise, since they only see the crime side of things. We have hidden away the fun, useful, glorious and profound aspects of drugs, and let the criminals and psychotics speak for us.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9534033 - 01/02/09 07:53 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Freedom said:
sometimes you have do what you can without undermining yourself by trying to do what you can't.




you dont know what you can or cant do until you try, if you dont
succeed, you have not failed as long as you gave it your best,
at least then you can say you tried, if you dont even try, then
you've failed

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Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance




maybe. maybe this is the same as not alienating anyone.




or we can call it what it is, typical politicking, floundering on the issues in order to win the election, it seems to work


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Then you had the hippie movement which was an agressive resistance to the conservative culture.

To me, protests only serve to alienate drug users. The conservative culture (as opposed to the liberal culture) does not learn anything and is not moved by these protests. They just look at the stupid hippies and shake their head. It further isolates us. It extends the 'us vs. them' mentality.




lets talk about aggressive, currently we have a drug war being fought against people that ordinarily shouldnt be considered criminals, this war is overly one sided, they have tanks and machine guns, armored personell carriers and military tactics being used agaist peaceful people that would just like to be left alone as they arent pushing dope on school kids or out killing anyone, lets again talk about the tactics of aggression


with these 'protests' you're putting a negative spin on it,
articulation is keep, this is a positive rally meant to help
reduce crime in america, we can lose almost 1 million crimes per
year just through legalization of one drug, how many dangerous
drug offenders do you know personally? with these rallies it's
not that difficult to have the suits that support it as well as
the dread locks, people of all walks of life including the police


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9534121 - 01/02/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

if you get the cops to protest with you than you might have something going :wink:

but still they might just be seen as rogue cops or something.

the violence against drug users is terrible. i know a family that was terrorized on fathers day cause the father sold a pound to a friend - a squad with guns came and made everyone hit the floor.

but it's only possible out of ignorance that we're people. we are people.

it is only the fact that we are human that can shed light on the ignorance. this can only be done through a real human connection.

i remember michael mithofer (the guying doing the MDMA study in virginia) said the dea thought that people who took MDMA were addicted to it and would do anything to get their fix. That speaks of a profound ignorance.

Although the ignorance causes violence, we are extreemly lucky for it, because it's such a simple thing - they just don't know!


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9534241 - 01/02/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

my little brother ran into a kid he hadnt seen since middle school,
made arrangements to hook up and go do some shit, the afternoon he
went to the guys house he knocked on the door and was dragged in
and slammed to the floor, they took him to jail and charged him
with 'loitering for the purpose of soliciting drugs', they searched
him and his truck and didnt even find a seed or a rolling paper and
even though they both stated that he had no involvement he was
still charged

I saw the DA and talked with him about it, he said the charge
was more or less 'being in the wrong place at the wrong time',
so it's not just the dealers that get hurt by these archaic laws
and over zealous cops, a lot of innocents suffer as well

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/462/woman_92_shot_by_atlanta_police_in_drug_raid


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9534317 - 01/02/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I'm sorry to hear about your brother, was he ok?

this war is so fucked up, and it makes me so angry when I see people that just go along with it or even feel that it's right... There's so much ignorance in the world today, it's quite saddening.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9534360 - 01/02/09 08:31 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I got the charges against him dropped since the DA claimed the area
was well known for drug activity, it was an apartment complex that
was pretty clean and well kept, I asked the DA why the county hadnt
posted any signs stating that there was heavy gang and drug
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    #9535351 - 01/02/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Because he's really just a Neoconservative and will continue to serve corporate, financial, and military interests.

Anybody see his appointees yet?? What a fucking joke.


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    #9535407 - 01/02/09 11:21 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

The fact is, neither candidate would have legalized weed. Obama is probably closer to agreeing to it though considering his coke days. I supported Bob Barr for president! The people who pay taxes, go to work, vote and send these ass-wipes to Washington (and our state capitols for that matter) shouldn't have to put up with their bullshit! We send these people to get paid $180k+ a year to balance the budget and deal with international affairs, not babysit us! This is one issue I feel strongly about. Just like the right to bear arms, what we do in our own homes is our goddamn business! If a person isn't getting blitzed and gunning people down or hurting anyone, what they do is between them and whatever higher power they answer to. I know people who keep a steady supply of "recreational drugs" on hand and in a professional or social setting, you would never know. I am going to Obama's website and I am going to ask him. That lying bastard is our new president, hold him accountable!


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    #9535439 - 01/02/09 11:31 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

also understand that there's other ways of doing things that get attention from the press, sometimes with a more profound impact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/04/0412.html


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    #9535534 - 01/02/09 11:56 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Those were good reads, thanks


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    #9535608 - 01/03/09 12:17 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

there's tons more info out there regarding things you can do to
fight the system, it's one of the reasons people shouldnt try and
blow off jury duty, for one, you get paid by your employer, second,
you get another check from the state, last, you might be able to
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    #9544912 - 01/04/09 04:38 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Prisoner#1, that is a great article.  Can you start a thread for other things like that?

Also, I think that no matter who we elect as president, the government will NOT be able to legalize marijuana...


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    #9544980 - 01/04/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

They're still in voting.

All it says is that they'll be answered "in the new year."

Presumably before Jan 20th..


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    #9552492 - 01/05/09 05:28 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

shroom questions are getting killed this round :mad2:


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    #9552498 - 01/05/09 05:29 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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    #9552693 - 01/05/09 05:55 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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shroom questions are getting killed this round :mad2:




that's because it's a very exclusive question. If you will notice in the National Security category a question regarding the drug war is in first place. This is a more generalized question which regards all "drugs", including mushrooms.


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shrooms arent any more exclusive than weed right?!


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    #9553886 - 01/05/09 08:37 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Weed is the logical starting place for reform.  A bill that included say stimulants or opiates would die in a heartbeat.


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    #9553945 - 01/05/09 08:45 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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shrooms arent any more exclusive than weed right?!




a lot less people do mushrooms than weed.

plus the question relates to "drug laws" in general, which is a much more general category.


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    #9554104 - 01/05/09 09:12 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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VOTE

http://www.change.org/ideas/view/legalize_the_medicinal_and_recreational_use_of_marijuana#

It's at number one, keep it that way.




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    #9555137 - 01/06/09 12:09 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

i hope that we can put the pressure on our congressmen and senate to stop whatever stupidity obama puts out.

everyone thinks hes gonna legalize or do this and that.. but i really dont trust biden after that rave act bullshit

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