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jackshroomer
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
#9512769 - 12/29/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Wouldn't it be great if just one year no one showed up to vote?
^ my ultimate goal.
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Mik
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9512801 - 12/29/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I though we the people had the power"
You are correct on that, but lets not confuse it with saying "Me the person has the power". We the people is much more powerful then "Me the person."
Let's see if I cant brush fur the wrong way. I am totally against the legalization of marijuana. It isn't just because I dont smoke it myself. My personal, uneducated opinion (which will be flamed, I'm sure) is that there are so many things against pot that legalization will be a big step in rolling the country towards apathy. Whats wrong with smoking pot in my opinion? Nothing. I dont do it because it's not my cup of tea, but all of my friends do and I couldnt be closer to them, even if they didnt smoke. Another uneducated opinion about it is sorta geared towards the economy. Yes, many people will fire up a pot-selling business. They will quickly be diluted and pushed out by already strong head shops. It wont offer much opportunity for jobs. Maybe a handful of jobs will pop up for farming bud, but that's it.
I have a group of people that I like to call 'soccer moms'. These are people that bitch about the fact that there is too much violence in video games and movies. People that bitch about the negative influence of drugs and rub out any positive effects of them. People that bitch about their fat son being picked on in gym class, so they push to have PE an elective versus a requirement. People that try to get 'god' out of the pledge (even though Im atheist myself, I think the people pushing for that are just retarded). Basically, anyone that bitches for the sake of bitching despite the fact that it could be a step in the right direction, are soccer moms.
That said, there are alot more soccer moms willing to fight against the legalization of pot then there are people willing to stand up and fight for pot.
I said that I was against the legalization of pot, because I think there are much more important issues to deal with. I wont lie though, I even if it does get legalized, I wont make a fuss about it. I'm one of the few that has faith in the government. I am a drone. If they give something a thumbs up, I will also.
heh... im drunk.. which means i'm just trollin you guys.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
#9512806 - 12/29/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I don't care if someone from the U.S. runs the country or not, what difference does that make?
a piece of paper called the constitution is why it's important, should we ignore one part in favor of another or demand that we have those rights enumerated by the constitution for all citizens, as it stands they're ignoring many of our rights yet you're willing to trade one right for another?
I'd rather have all my rights
I'd rather get rid of the constitution so I'd have 'all rights' and not be limited to just the 10.
The government, by definition, doesn't give rights, they take em away.
Apparently you have very little knowledge regarding the constitution.
Ninth Amendment: "In addition, the Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people," and reserves all powers not specifically granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States."
The Constitution doesn't list the rights you have, it limits the powers of the government.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
#9512812 - 12/29/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like others have said, Obama will not legalize any drugs, so people should focus their questions on decriminalization and medical use instead, and clealy ask the question "why or why not" so you might actually get an answer.
Also, not to sound like a jerk, but people posting questions should use their head and ask a clear question instead of just typing out whatever random thought is in their head at the time...examples of what I'm talking about that I saw on that site;
"The 'War on Drugs' is ineffective-billions of dollars are put into the criminalization of people using/selling a drug has positive side effects. Legalization of marijuana could bring our nation out of it's economic crisis with proper taxing and laws."
"Millions of Americans use marijuana recreationally. Obama should regulate and tax the sale of it. Add billions to the economy, lots of jobs,reduce the unnecessary strain on the legal system. It would also reduce the overcrowding in our prisons."
Uh...Ok. Where are the questions here?
Its a forum to ask the Obama team questions, not just type out your thoughts with no actual question...
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
#9512817 - 12/29/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I registered and voted. And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life. Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.
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jackshroomer
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: creekfreek]
#9512836 - 12/29/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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creekfreek said: I registered and voted. And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life. Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.
haha thats cute
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: creekfreek]
#9512861 - 12/29/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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creekfreek said: I registered and voted. And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life. Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.
Yes well, he certainly wouldn't want to be the first president EVER to break his promises, would he?
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Prisoner#1
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: krypto2000]
#9512866 - 12/29/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I totally agree, but the constitution loses more value as the days pass. I've completely given up hope in our govt. I believe it's just gotten too big at this point and it's lost control of itself.
again I cite our duties as citizens, in pushing to restore our freedoms to choose what we decide to consume whether it be an illicit substance or some questionable food product like raw milk we start reducing the size and scope of the federal government, without the war on drugs, what's the point in the DEA, they have more that 10,000 employees and a $3bn budget, losing them is a drop in a bucket compared to the 10,000,000 already out of work
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There's nothing we can really do. We could slowly bring it around by reform after reform and maybe in 50-100 years we'll be back on track, but I think it's a far better idea to overthrow the current system and start over yet again.
this is the first step in a revolution, without the support of the people do you honestly believe that overthrowing the government is going to happen, people need to be made aware that government absolutely refuses to work on their behalf, the first step is always to redress your grievances, not to simply go out and act, act alone and you're a criminal, act as a nation and you make the change
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It's like my computer. I keep doing shit with it, dling things, installing things, removing things etc. I try and keep it organized I run my antivirus (well not really :p), cleanup old files etc. but over time it just gets out of hand and it's easier to backup my important data and reformat.
that's a great analogy, it's not yet time to format, remember, you dont keep up with running your antivirus, you've not deleted all the useless programs or even emptied the recycle bin regularly, it's when you've done all these things and it still doesnt function properly that you have to reformat but you also need an idea of what you need to reinstall before that format
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
#9512868 - 12/29/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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As long as Obama is a good president, i could care less about his past. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands arrested every year for it, don't say idiotic shit. It's bigger then pot, it's your own liberty to do what you want with your body.
By the way, his mother was from the US, so he is a dual citizen.
hey fuck u . tell me why this man went from being a citizen of indonesia with a good ole american name like barry soetoro. to barack hussien obama. and why he failed to let anyone know about this unitl it was leaked. and then they made a fake birth certificate. yea. hes gonna be ggrrreaatt. and dont give me this liberty of ur body shit. its not bigger than pot. its actualy just as simple as pot. im gonna smoke regardless. if u are gonna let someone tell u that u cant smoke thats ur deal. i got my liberties.
Thats all grand ,but dont cry when they lock you up like leary for 20 years over half a joint. You will have your liberties no more then.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Plastered marble]
#9512916 - 12/29/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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creekfreek said: I registered and voted. And I dont feel like I wasted 5 seconds of my life. Obama won this election promising change and he needs to know what we the people want changed.
Yes well, he certainly wouldn't want to be the first president EVER to break his promises, would he?
so what do you say we make sure he's the first president to keep his promises
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9512939 - 12/29/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I voted for Obama.
But if he continues to ignore the will of the people like this I might regret not voting for Ron Paul.
Thanks for this post, I went and voted on most of the topics having to do with legalization.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Geomancer]
#9512946 - 12/29/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Geomancer said: Like others have said, Obama will not legalize any drugs, so people should focus their questions on decriminalization and medical use instead, and clealy ask the question "why or why not" so you might actually get an answer.
why play for the short term, dont screw around with peanuts, in decriminalizing it's going to still allow for thee war on drugs to continue, it will allow the government to continue prosecuting drug users, in decriminalization it's always some small amount that's deemed criminal possession whether it's one ounce or less, if we push for legalization and only get decriminalization then it's still a major victory
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
#9512949 - 12/29/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by weiliiiiiii (12/29/08 03:44 PM)
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9512989 - 12/29/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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so what do you say we make sure he's the first president to keep his promises
I seriously doubt that will happen, but -you're right- it should not be for our lack of trying.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
#9513165 - 12/29/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I told you...
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Plastered marble]
#9513193 - 12/29/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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the way I see it is
a politician wins by being politically wise, this means gaining support from the most groups possible
that support is good will, hope, optimism and trust. It can then be used to get things done. Like health care, fixing the economy, ending the wars.
When the politician actually does something, they do it in a way that some people like, and others don't. Thus every time they do something, they lose some of their general support and ability to do anything.
If Obama wants to legalize marijuana, he wouldn't try to because he sees the wars, the economy and health care as far more important. That's where he's going to spend his 'political capital'.
What you got to do is take the grass roots approach. Work with NORMAL and DRC. Tell the straight people who know you well and wont call the cops on you that you have smoked marijuana for years and it's added to your quality of life. Tell them you use it like alcohol. Gain their sympathy.
We need to de-demonize the drug, not hope that some magic politician will fix things for us.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Redstorm]
#9513214 - 12/29/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Redstorm said: Apparently you have very little knowledge regarding the constitution.
Ninth Amendment: "In addition, the Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people," and reserves all powers not specifically granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States."
The Constitution doesn't list the rights you have, it limits the powers of the government.
Apparently you have very little knowledge of case law. How many cases have been won by a defendant on the basis of a 9th Amendment right? The answer is precious few. The Bill of Rights was not meant to be an enumeration of rights, but that's what it is in practice. In many cases, judges cite other parts of the constitution (such as the interstate commerce clause) to justify the infringement of rights and sometimes they just say the activity in question isn't covered by any rights. Drug prohibition is a perfect example of this. The constitution says that the federal government only has the powers specifically listed. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the government has the right to regulate simple possession of a substance and one could argue (rightly, in my opinion) that one has an inherent right to control what does or doesn't go into their own body, yet the courts have held that the governmental regulation of controlled substances, even simple possession, is related to interstate commerce and thus it is in the government's power to restrict whatever 9th Amendment rights you thought you had. In practice, just about every challenge to something's covered by the interstate commerce clause is rejected.
Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. In summary, the 9th Amendment doesn't really mean anything in practice.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: jackshroomer]
#9513219 - 12/29/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obama is scum and a puppet, he won't do anything his masters don't want him to do. I doubt they will change their stance, if they do it is somewhat smart to actually catch people off guard with the whole "change" shit. Frankly they want addictive drugs, not pot, it would still be smart to get people high and forget their liberties are being taken away elsewhere. Regardless its third party/Ron Paul or bust. Obama is loved and people will submit to him like good little sheep, don't expect change, just pray it all doesn't go to hell.
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: geokills]
#9513258 - 12/29/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I voted.
I wonder how they will modify the Open For Questions format when a pesky marijuana question is getting bumped to the top of the list every round.
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DragonChaser
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Amber_Glow]
#9513403 - 12/29/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why can't I find this specific question?
Found it.
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Edited by DragonChaser (12/29/08 05:09 PM)
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