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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Ferris]
    #9533412 - 01/02/09 06:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Ferris said:
I was being a bit more metaphorical with the term 'farm.'





I was being literal in the terms of how government handles things

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he'll have to spend the next 3 years on foreign policy, the true domain of the executive branch.  And that IS the fault of Bush, unquestionably.





without a doubt the world view of the US has been bad, I seems
to remember  a little war called viet nam that really set things
back for us, just when that is over it seems some people in Iran
decided they wanted US hostages, why the US, I could never
understand that one, time progresses and there's a few small
events, a few larger ones, the world trade center gets bombed,
we send troops to fight in several countries around the globe
and about  50 years after the start of viet nam our image has
been the same, but we still like to blame bush when it
actuality, it's that whole foreign 'stick your nose where it
dont belong' policy that has given this image to the world



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And Obama could conceivable shut down the government if he wanted by vetoing every budget.. it happens in California every single year recently.  I'm not saying he would though, that was sort of the point.





isnt Arnie begging for federal bail out money?


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9533672 - 01/02/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Freedom said:
consensus requires comprimise, often times painful.




compromise of principals and values?

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to lead, the president has to be skillful at comprimise.



Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'





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we will change the law by changing the culture and society first.

no magic fairy is going to come down and legalize drugs for us. Not even ron pual!





and how will you do that without drawing positive attention to
the subject, as I've stated for many years, you need to beat
down the doors of your reps, these people will not vote on your
behalf until you get their attention. Write your reps, recieve a
response, one they've typed long ago that may or may not have
addressed the issues you brought forth, some seem quite
personable but none the less they dont have time to write and
send out 1000 letters per week, just automated responses

Every year they hold these 'pot rallies', some draw crowds
larger than 50k, instead of holding them in the city park, hold
them in the parking lot of Senator or Representative Whothehellever
get on to the phone and let the local news know that way you
have a couple days in the public eye, do it all again a few days
before a legalization bill is to be put to the vote

today we have the greatest means for organizing, we have social
networking sites like myspace and face book, we have
international communities like the shroomery where 500 people in
50 states can plan these events and organize a means of
organizing, we have  similar sites like grass city and cannabis
culture in which we can team up and work together in order to
draw even more attention to this cause and generate more
support, only then can you start that education process, telling
your family and friends will do little because that's where the
chain stops, maybe a few will share what they learn, most will
just tell you what you want to hear


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9533691 - 01/02/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'





He was referring to the Iraqi war in the first instance and the Afghan war in the second.


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and how will you do that without drawing positive attention to
the subject, as I've stated for many years, you need to beat
down the doors of your reps, these people will not vote on your
behalf until you get their attention. Write your reps, recieve a
response, one they've typed long ago that may or may not have
addressed the issues you brought forth, some seem quite
personable but none the less they dont have time to write and
send out 1000 letters per week, just automated responses

Every year they hold these 'pot rallies', some draw crowds
larger than 50k, instead of holding them in the city park, hold
them in the parking lot of Senator or Representative Whothehellever
get on to the phone and let the local news know that way you
have a couple days in the public eye, do it all again a few days
before a legalization bill is to be put to the vote

today we have the greatest means for organizing, we have social
networking sites like myspace and face book, we have
international communities like the shroomery where 500 people in
50 states can plan these events and organize a means of
organizing, we have  similar sites like grass city and cannabis
culture in which we can team up and work together in order to
draw even more attention to this cause and generate more
support, only then can you start that education process, telling
your family and friends will do little because that's where the
chain stops, maybe a few will share what they learn, most will
just tell you what you want to hear




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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9533712 - 01/02/09 07:05 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Beege said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'





He was referring to the Iraqi war in the first instance and the Afghan war in the second.





it doesnt matter, both are the 'war on terror', it simply
demonstrates that his pliability suggests he'll do what ever it
takes to make his party happy


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9533719 - 01/02/09 07:07 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

can you cite the second quote please? It's not that I don't believe you it's just I don't remember him saying he would increase troop numbers...


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9533867 - 01/02/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)



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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9533929 - 01/02/09 07:40 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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compromise of principals and values?




it may seem that way, but things don't seem that black and white to me.

sometimes you have do what you can without undermining yourself by trying to do what you can't.

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Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance, from the 'war on drugs is failing' to the 'I dont want
to decriminalize marijuana', from "I havent supported the war
from the beginning and surge will not work" to 'I vote to
continue funding the war and will increase troops in afganistan'




maybe. maybe this is the same as not alienating anyone.

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today we have the greatest means for organizing, we have social
networking sites like myspace and face book, we have
international communities like the shroomery where 500 people in
50 states can plan these events and organize a means of
organizing, we have  similar sites like grass city and cannabis
culture in which we can team up and work together in order to
draw even more attention to this cause and generate more
support, only then can you start that education process, telling
your family and friends will do little because that's where the
chain stops, maybe a few will share what they learn, most will
just tell you what you want to hear




the problem, as i see it, was born out of mutual alienation.

First you had the drug propaganda that was not just from the government but in the press and in the culture like on pulp book covers.

Then you had the hippie movement which was an agressive resistance to the conservative culture.

By doing this the hippies helped isolate themselves. To the conservative culture they became 'the other'. Therefore they could be demonized.

To me, protests only serve to alienate drug users. The conservative culture (as opposed to the liberal culture) does not learn anything and is not moved by these protests. They just look at the stupid hippies and shake their head. It further isolates us. It extends the 'us vs. them' mentality.

We need to extend the 'us is them' mentality. Our task, our responsibility is to show the conservative culture that we are actually much like them. We want a good life, we want our children to have a good life, and we are more or less sane, like them.

We need to show them that we are not violent, deranged, desperate or dangerous to their society.But how can we blame them for thinking this? We've given no reason for them to think otherwise, since they only see the crime side of things. We have hidden away the fun, useful, glorious and profound aspects of drugs, and let the criminals and psychotics speak for us.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9534033 - 01/02/09 07:53 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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Freedom said:
sometimes you have do what you can without undermining yourself by trying to do what you can't.




you dont know what you can or cant do until you try, if you dont
succeed, you have not failed as long as you gave it your best,
at least then you can say you tried, if you dont even try, then
you've failed

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Obama is skillful at telling people what they want to hear, each
group he speaks with gets a different view of obamas political
stance




maybe. maybe this is the same as not alienating anyone.




or we can call it what it is, typical politicking, floundering on the issues in order to win the election, it seems to work


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Then you had the hippie movement which was an agressive resistance to the conservative culture.

To me, protests only serve to alienate drug users. The conservative culture (as opposed to the liberal culture) does not learn anything and is not moved by these protests. They just look at the stupid hippies and shake their head. It further isolates us. It extends the 'us vs. them' mentality.




lets talk about aggressive, currently we have a drug war being fought against people that ordinarily shouldnt be considered criminals, this war is overly one sided, they have tanks and machine guns, armored personell carriers and military tactics being used agaist peaceful people that would just like to be left alone as they arent pushing dope on school kids or out killing anyone, lets again talk about the tactics of aggression


with these 'protests' you're putting a negative spin on it,
articulation is keep, this is a positive rally meant to help
reduce crime in america, we can lose almost 1 million crimes per
year just through legalization of one drug, how many dangerous
drug offenders do you know personally? with these rallies it's
not that difficult to have the suits that support it as well as
the dread locks, people of all walks of life including the police


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9534121 - 01/02/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

if you get the cops to protest with you than you might have something going :wink:

but still they might just be seen as rogue cops or something.

the violence against drug users is terrible. i know a family that was terrorized on fathers day cause the father sold a pound to a friend - a squad with guns came and made everyone hit the floor.

but it's only possible out of ignorance that we're people. we are people.

it is only the fact that we are human that can shed light on the ignorance. this can only be done through a real human connection.

i remember michael mithofer (the guying doing the MDMA study in virginia) said the dea thought that people who took MDMA were addicted to it and would do anything to get their fix. That speaks of a profound ignorance.

Although the ignorance causes violence, we are extreemly lucky for it, because it's such a simple thing - they just don't know!


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Freedom]
    #9534241 - 01/02/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

my little brother ran into a kid he hadnt seen since middle school,
made arrangements to hook up and go do some shit, the afternoon he
went to the guys house he knocked on the door and was dragged in
and slammed to the floor, they took him to jail and charged him
with 'loitering for the purpose of soliciting drugs', they searched
him and his truck and didnt even find a seed or a rolling paper and
even though they both stated that he had no involvement he was
still charged

I saw the DA and talked with him about it, he said the charge
was more or less 'being in the wrong place at the wrong time',
so it's not just the dealers that get hurt by these archaic laws
and over zealous cops, a lot of innocents suffer as well

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/462/woman_92_shot_by_atlanta_police_in_drug_raid


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9534317 - 01/02/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I'm sorry to hear about your brother, was he ok?

this war is so fucked up, and it makes me so angry when I see people that just go along with it or even feel that it's right... There's so much ignorance in the world today, it's quite saddening.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Beege]
    #9534360 - 01/02/09 08:31 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I got the charges against him dropped since the DA claimed the area
was well known for drug activity, it was an apartment complex that
was pretty clean and well kept, I asked the DA why the county hadnt
posted any signs stating that there was heavy gang and drug
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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9535351 - 01/02/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Because he's really just a Neoconservative and will continue to serve corporate, financial, and military interests.

Anybody see his appointees yet?? What a fucking joke.


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: DieCommie]
    #9535407 - 01/02/09 11:21 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

The fact is, neither candidate would have legalized weed. Obama is probably closer to agreeing to it though considering his coke days. I supported Bob Barr for president! The people who pay taxes, go to work, vote and send these ass-wipes to Washington (and our state capitols for that matter) shouldn't have to put up with their bullshit! We send these people to get paid $180k+ a year to balance the budget and deal with international affairs, not babysit us! This is one issue I feel strongly about. Just like the right to bear arms, what we do in our own homes is our goddamn business! If a person isn't getting blitzed and gunning people down or hurting anyone, what they do is between them and whatever higher power they answer to. I know people who keep a steady supply of "recreational drugs" on hand and in a professional or social setting, you would never know. I am going to Obama's website and I am going to ask him. That lying bastard is our new president, hold him accountable!


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: merzdiesler]
    #9535439 - 01/02/09 11:31 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

also understand that there's other ways of doing things that get attention from the press, sometimes with a more profound impact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/04/0412.html


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9535534 - 01/02/09 11:56 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Those were good reads, thanks


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: tak]
    #9535608 - 01/03/09 12:17 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

there's tons more info out there regarding things you can do to
fight the system, it's one of the reasons people shouldnt try and
blow off jury duty, for one, you get paid by your employer, second,
you get another check from the state, last, you might be able to
help a man out or legitimately put someone away that is a danger


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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9544912 - 01/04/09 04:38 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Prisoner#1, that is a great article.  Can you start a thread for other things like that?

Also, I think that no matter who we elect as president, the government will NOT be able to legalize marijuana...


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    #9544954 - 01/04/09 04:44 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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Re: -- Ask Obama WHY he Doesn't Support Marijuana Legalization! -- [Re: dr_gonz]
    #9544980 - 01/04/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

They're still in voting.

All it says is that they'll be answered "in the new year."

Presumably before Jan 20th..


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