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Why are people so afraid of the 5th level?
    #951137 - 10/10/02 10:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Why are people so afraid of tripping on the 4th and 5th levels? I've only reached 1 or 2 but I would love to reach 4 or 5.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #951250 - 10/10/02 10:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

We;; when you actually have your first real level 5 you'll be coming back telling us why YOU are afraid os it :grin:

It isn't so much that people are afraid of it but it is very intense and if you are not in the right mind set it can really rattle you cage. Level 4 and 5 is definitely not a "go out to the club"  type of experience. Level 3 and below is great for that but 4 and 5 are teachers.

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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: chemkid]
    #951323 - 10/10/02 10:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

nicely said. a level 4 or 5 will change your whole perspective


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: felix]
    #951527 - 10/11/02 01:02 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i had a level 4 the other week which for a period was a level 5.
beforehand i wasnt scared, i wanted to reach this level. i fasted for 24hrs and eat 3.5g.
the only scary part was not being able to comprehend reality at all. i didnt know what my family was etc
theres a trip report called "forgetting reality" a few pages pack.
anyway, these levels dont really become fun, more of a lesson.
i found that when i was in these levels i couldnt move. all i could do was lie down and try and shield myself from the outside world under a blanket, because of the sensory overload. all music and lights went off. when you dont know of life before mushroom ingestion it will freak you out.
i think for someone not interested in exploring there sub/conscious or for someone who doesnt know of these effects then the whole experience could be truly terrifying and not something theyd like to do again.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: mikey_]
    #951968 - 10/11/02 06:43 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yea ive had a few level 4's, i cant say ive ever went to level 5, ive definatly tried to get there but for some reason when im at concerts, i need twice as much of everything, acid, shrooms, weed to get me high, phish show in 99 in providence ate close to a quarter of shrooms...maybe they just werent that good but i wasnt tripping as hard as i would have liked too, last spetember at a moe show i dropped 8 of the pyramids that were goin around this time last year, the trip was crazy but i dropped 5 the week before and that blew my mind twice as much as 8 did at the show...does anybody else feel this way about tripping at concerts?


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #952026 - 10/11/02 07:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I had 2 level 5+'s in my life.
Both were so hard to deal with, I am gunshy when it comes to dosing, and have become an advocate of Low Doseing , as a way of enjoying Mushrooms for fun, rather than to have a fabulous freak Out.

One day, when i am ready, i will have a Proper L5 - but until then, I suggest L1 - L3 for fun and laffs, anything more is on your head.
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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: Anonymous]
    #952031 - 10/11/02 07:12 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I like low doses, level 3 is far enough for me. I'm really more of a weed person.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #952089 - 10/11/02 07:31 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I've only reached level 3, but like you, I do want to have a level 4 or 5 trip. The reason for this is that my purpose is not recreation, but rather enlightenment.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #952380 - 10/11/02 09:06 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

read a few trip reports of lvl 5... or read mine " Help Me I'm in Hell"... it sure scared the piss out of me for a few weeks after I tripped... Not saying I wouldnt venture to the lvl 5 trip again... Its just you have to have the right mindset I guess... Its just wierd.. Lvl 5 trips give you that "what the fuck just happened" idea when you become "normal" again.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #952427 - 10/11/02 09:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Ive eaten a quarter a couple of times and I've never been past a level 3. One of these days I'm going to eat 10 grams with one of my friends that has a high tolerence and take a journey into the unknown. I was thinking I would try 8 or 9 grams first though. I havent ever had visuals on shooms other than the trails and shoomie colors. What did you people have to eat to get to a level 4 and 5?


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #952458 - 10/11/02 09:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I ate a little over an 1/8th of some Psilocybe Azurescens that I scored when my friend went to Germany... Lemme tell you... I think a set a new standard for "trippin Balls". at least for myself.. Ive never tripped so hard.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #952863 - 10/11/02 05:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i ate a whole lot of acid before i ever found shrooms. i use to eat 8 or 9 hits of geltabs a nite. me and by buddie went in on a sheet and for like 3 weeks all i did was eat really high doses 8, 9, even 7 and some E one night...id always wait about 4 days in between and get tore up. i made it to that big number 5 a few times but i always came back and always with some new perception about the world.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: yodakon]
    #952888 - 10/11/02 05:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I ate 4 grams my first trip. I was in the 4th dimension. Time did not matter. I was the worls the worls was me and I was every person I knew and they were me. I could merge with objects. It was pretty scary and I managed to go to sleep for an hour or 2


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: resin]
    #954087 - 10/12/02 02:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I've only reached level 5 once. Ate almost 7g dried (cubensis, i think) Actually, im not sure what level it was, cause the 4 hr peak is TOTALLY erased from my memory(read my post "blacking out" for the details). Hehe...maybe thats the "6th" level. Anyways, I've tripped plenty since then (mostly on acid, though), and want to try for level 5 again...but am afraid of blacking out again. I am a much more mature and insightful person since the last time, hopefully, next try will be more sucessful.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #954578 - 10/12/02 06:57 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I have only reached lev 5 twice both times it was profoundly life altering its not the hallucinations or the high that makes it frightening but the self realizations that occur. I reached a state of profound clarity where I saw myself for what I really was like a deep spiritual self confession.My ego became over loaded with all my doubts fears and inadequacies and collapsed under the strain of trying to defend its self from the onslaught. This process is difficult and psychologically painful but once the ego releases or dies in a sense I could see my past behaviors for what they were and saw with crystal clarity my character defects. The up side is I also saw my strengths also I could perceive what fears were linked to in my mind some events during my life many from my childhood had crippled me emotionally and spiritually. This not to say I was dysfunctional in the common societal sense I just wasn't living up to my true potential. I believe everyone bares theses scars. As I came down and my personality reintegrated I was able to bring the self knowledge forward and use it to become a better person it was sort of like taking a great psychic shit I left the trash behind a house cleaning mentally and emotionally. That was my 1st lev 5 experience the 2nd was as life changing as the 1st but in a way I was totally unprepared for or maybe my 1st experience prepared me for the next I am not sure.
The 2nd lev 5 started much like the 1st with a ego death type experience but the lesson was very different it cleaned house much less trash to take out this time and then something amazing happened I saw with the same clarity that I in the 1st trip but this time what I learned was my place in the great order of things. I saw the conectiveness of all things in the universe. I understood for the 1st time what the great teachers of man had been trying to tell us. I saw how the words of the prophets had been twisted by men with souls as sick as mine had been. I saw how if I let my ego rule my actions it would keep me self serving and self centered. It ruled me with fear and twisted that fear into a whole gambit of destructive thoughts and feelings. Hate and resentment where compassion and forgiveness should be. I could go on for pages about the changes that happened to me but I truly believe that everyone's lev 5 experience is unique and the lessons learned are personal and individual. If anyone wants to read a very good descriptions of a lev 5 awakening I suggest William James's "Varieties Of Religious Experiences" he reached lev 5 on mescaline and nitrous oxide and was able to bring back in a coherent form much of his experience.
I have reached some opinions about lev 5 tripping I don't think dosage is the key of course you need enough to shut the ego off but after my experience I tried many times to get others to the same state I reached some attained it others just seemed to black out and came down with no memory at all of the time after ego destruction others had what most would call a train wreck of a bad trip I think this happens if the ego isn't crushed. The best I can say is the old maxim that when the student is ready the teacher will appear. Probably the most important thing I have learned is psychotropic are not the only way to reach this state and maybe the absolute worst way to get there since you are very stoned and loose much of what you learn while coming down but I know that I would never of reached the place where I could be receptive to the knowledge without them the 1st time.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: ]
    #954718 - 10/12/02 09:56 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

High,
Where can I find the level list????


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: MeneerCactus]
    #954727 - 10/12/02 10:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

its under "how to dose". click on " how hard you want to trip"


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: Penguin]
    #955035 - 10/12/02 02:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I must be an exception, because as long as I wait about a month inbetween each trip and I fast for a day before eating all I need is 1/8 for a full blown level 3 moving inand out of a level 4 trip. I will normally see patterns, lose my ego almost completely and I have a hard time communicating with others. I always end up staying awake all night talking and learning something about myself. I had the same thing revealed to me as someone had spoken of in an earlier post. You must not put yourself first, leave your selfishness behind and learn to respect and appreciate everything you have your parents , your friends, and the earth on which you live.


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Re: Why are people so afraid of the 5th level? [Re: Judas]
    #955226 - 10/12/02 04:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I am like OracleofDelphi ... I have ventured into high-dose (level 4 and 5) trips quite a few times, though I was never ready to handle any of them, and my perspective on life HAS been shifted, most likely permanently.

If you have a crisis freak-out like I did when I lost all concept and sense of consensus reality, the next day you will be happy to just be sober and eat a good meal. But you will still have to live with memories of what you went through, and some may be overbearing.

Since that trip I always low-dosed, till I finally quit doing drugs. But believe me, level 4 and 5 can NOT be considered fun in any way.


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