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Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit
    #9498624 - 12/26/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

December 26, 2008 - ABC News

Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit
Botched Drug Sting Could Mean New Rules for Police

The murder of a 23-year-old Florida woman in a botched drug buy-bust operation this May could lead to changes in how confidential informants are recruited and used by the state's law enforcement.

An official investigation found the Tallahassee Police Department had violated its own rules by recruiting Rachel Hoffman, a Florida State University graduate who was facing a drug charge and likely jail time after arrests for marijuana possession, and sending her alone into a dangerous undercover sting without training.

Florida state legislators are putting the finishing touches on a bill they are calling "Rachel's Law," which would tighten up rules on how the state's police recruit and use confidential informants. The law, which was first proposed by Rachel's father, Irv Hoffman, would require police in Florida to be more judicious in their selection of confidential informants and ensure the potential recruit has access to a lawyer.

Its likely sponsors, State Sen. Mike Fasano and State Rep. Peter Nehr, expect the bill to be considered when the legislature begins its regular session next spring. Both are Republican.

Tallahassee Police Chief Dennis Jones has signed on as a supporter of the effort. "We need to do a better job with this," Jones said in September.

Jones' support was perhaps surprising. In the days after Hoffman's murder, Jones made public statements that Hoffman was a criminal who bore a large part of the blame for the botched sting and, by extension, her own death.

"I'm calling her a criminal," Jones told ABC News' Brian Ross in July. Jones said then that he did not accept that his department was in any way responsible for Hoffman's death. "Do we feel responsible? We're responsible for the safety of this community," he said.

Jones, who was reprimanded as a result of the investigation into Hoffman's murder, later apologized for those comments. "We were placing most of the blame on Rachel Hoffman. I regret that now," Jones said. "It made us look like we weren't taking responsibility for what happened."

The two men Hoffman met as part of the May sting are in jail awaiting trial for her murder. One defendant, Andrea Green, has pled not guilty. The other, Deneilo Bradshaw, has not yet entered a plea, according to the court cleark's office.

Hoffman's parents are poised to sue the city of Tallahassee at the end of the month, according to their lawyer, Lance Block. The city has requested the family delay filing suit in order to negotiate a possible settlement out of court. Block said they are not inclined to hold up the suit.

Meanwhile, the only Tallahassee policeman fired over Hoffman's death wants to know why he was fired when higher-ups received only verbal reprimands – even if, like Deputy Police Chief John Proctor – they had approved his plan for the ill-fated operation.

Ryan Pender, who recruited Hoffman and planned the sting operation that went awry, is pushing to get his old job back, insisting that "the operational plan he put together was by the book, by the way he was trained. . . the way he and others in vice had done it for years," his lawyer, Paul Villaneuve, told ABCNews.com.

Tallahassee Police Department spokesman David McCranie said that Chief Jones "looked at the overall picture of everything that occurred and assigned responsibility based on the level of participation by each member of the department."

A spokesman for the police department declined comment on the matter, saying it was a question for the chief of police, who was "not in the building."

Watch the 20/20 investigation of the botched sting:

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: veggie]
    #9498693 - 12/26/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, lets make a new law instead of getting rid of the asinine pot law that started this whole mess. Fuck the police...


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: veggie]
    #9498717 - 12/26/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I sure hope the chief and every officer involved in this loses their jobs and their pensions.


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: nw_shroomy]
    #9499206 - 12/26/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Rachel's law should ban marijuana prohibition, which is what got her into this whole predicament.

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #9499294 - 12/26/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The chief is a fat fuck pig. She is a "criminal". She isnt a criminal in gods eyes, only urs. She wasnt selling herion to little kids. She wasnt using meth. She was caught with pot, Something he probably did when he was a teenager.


This is a good lesson in... NOT SNITCHING.

Snitching doesnt get you anywhere. Sitting in jail, lets you think til your head clear.

I think the man who lost his job. Had the appropriate action done to him. He was ultimately responsible. None of the other men were there. But the chief is still a fuck for that remark.

Thats like screaming out nigger at a Martin Luther King rally.


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9500493 - 12/27/08 01:18 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The host was fuckin owning that stupid pig. He knew he and his crew were n the wrong, u could see it in his face and hear it in his voice in everything he said in their defense. can't believe he had the nerve to call her a criminal.



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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: krosmo67]
    #9500640 - 12/27/08 02:10 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Real smart. Send a 23 year old girl to meet a thug for 15,000 pills...Come on.

I hope they all lose a child.


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: MHbound]
    #9500661 - 12/27/08 02:17 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, it's not like they'd care much if they lost a child. They're pigs. Most pigs are not like Barry Cooper. Most are just pieces of shit on a power trip. Like I've always said, if you enforce laws that shouldn't exist, laws that cause suffering, you should be killed. I don't give a fuck if you have a family, that doesn't justify ruining other people's lives. The police chief needs to be beaten and raped and have it recorded and put on youtube. And after the rape and beating, he should be beat to death with a hammer or strangled. If violent vigilantee justice like this were common, we'd see a lot less power tripping pigs abusing people.

And this is why I hope the drug cartels come to the US and start decapitating pigs.

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: InTheRainySeason]
    #9501065 - 12/27/08 05:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

This article is mid-leading as most usually are, she was caught with E pills as well as pot....that is what got her screwed plus the pot laws in her state.

She wasn't a criminal as much as an average youth, one who likes to live up life.

Sure as fucking hell the cops are responsible, since when are people in custody not part of the community?

This is exactly why crazy  as fucking moms that started the Reagen bullshit agenda really fuck things up!

This is just another sad story, many more to come; sadly it wasn't the cops fault they hated her from the get go and couldn't care less about her safety as much as a bust so they don't have to take their Viagra for a night!


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: veggie]
    #9501421 - 12/27/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I recall seeing this a while ago.  All in all a sad situation. :shake:

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: Le_Canard]
    #9501453 - 12/27/08 09:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well honestly they really give people no choice.  Sure she didnt HAVE to help them with the sting, but if its a pretty big dealer she goes to, they will make an offer she just cant refuse.  And if you chose not to, they can give you way more time than you deserve...It just sucks that they can do all that, just because cops can't catch people on there own.


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: veggie]
    #9504084 - 12/27/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If drug laws aren't changed by the end of the obama administration, I feel the only thing left for America is a violent revolution. People like this pig deserve to die, and more stoners need to act out. I think if more pigs were murdered in their house legislatures would be quick to change drug laws. We could learn a lesson from the dealers south of the border. After all, this is a drug war. However, it is one sided.


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: stedenko]
    #9504278 - 12/27/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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stedenko said:
Yeah, lets make a new law instead of getting rid of the asinine pot law that started this whole mess. Fuck the police...




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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: Echo7]
    #9504350 - 12/27/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've had that experience as well, being dehumanized in the catagory of "criminal" and treated as less than human for LSD possession.  It is such a power trip over another human to do these things and when something bad happens then she was just a "criminal". 
The cops that got her involved should be charged for her death just like the two who actually did it,  I'll believe in actual justice the day something like that happens.

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: mr.bixby]
    #9504444 - 12/27/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hahaha omg, I mean, this is such a sad story. It really sucks but it's just like, how immature does the government freaking get? The reporter guy in the video was like ... "how much marijuana was found?"    "A (suspense...) QUARTER Pound."

.... She had enough pot the authorities say, to be running a *dum dum dum*  "...Drug House"

"And if you were to hold that about how much would it be..." says the reporter,

*shrug* "About a.... baggie?"

"... A baggie? ? ?" says the reporter...

"Uhh yes, *pause*  .. a baggie"

"And six pills?" says the reporter,

"...Yes...."

"Is that alot?" says the repoter,

"...ummmm.... Welll, yes? I mean not really..."

(Her six pills, and "Baggie" of marijuana, the authorities say enough to warrent a FELONY. DUM DUM DUUUUMMMMMMM)

I  just had to crack up that is, SO sad.

"This woman IS a criminal, and my job is to take ... People like this, OFF the streets for good."

She had a "Baggie" of POT. A PLANT that she shared with her friends, my fucking lord. AND SHE DIES? How corrupt are we... Haha, Oh yeah thats right... Last time I checked I lived in AMERIKA... Corporate fascist state.... (uhh yeah, you aren't alowed to take that turn. take that one. If you take that one we will get you there too, just .... stfu and sit the fuck down and dont say a fucking word or we will slap your wrist, or worst. KILL YOU.

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: InTheRainySeason]
    #9504457 - 12/27/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude, it's not like they'd care much if they lost a child. They're pigs. Most pigs are not like Barry Cooper. Most are just pieces of shit on a power trip. Like I've always said, if you enforce laws that shouldn't exist, laws that cause suffering, you should be killed. I don't give a fuck if you have a family, that doesn't justify ruining other people's lives. The police chief needs to be beaten and raped and have it recorded and put on youtube. And after the rape and beating, he should be beat to death with a hammer or strangled. If violent vigilantee justice like this were common, we'd see a lot less power tripping pigs abusing people.

And this is why I hope the drug cartels come to the US and start decapitating pigs.




Dude, the fucking drug cartels ARE the pigs.... When will people wake up! Nevermind, they are waking up. Anyways, They are the biggest gangsters on the planet~! You know exactly what I mean, there is no legitamacy what so ever to this kind of shit, on ANY level. WE can fucking govern ourselves. How come all the shit that blows up ALWAYS involves the GOVERN<MENT>!?!?!

Edited by JohnP (12/27/08 09:40 PM)

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: JohnP]
    #9506466 - 12/28/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I just dont see how the police are just brushing this off like they had nothing to do with it.

If police were really in it to catch criminals and not just get adrenaline rushes and notoriety for a big bust, why wouldn't they just tell her to buy a small amount of the X, I mean the police chief himself said it didnt matter that she had a small amount, it's still a felony.

But no, they send her to buy a shitload of x, a handgun, and coke? what the hell is that besides an easy give away?  A 23 year old girl is probably scared half to death as it is, so if they told her to strictly ONLY go to the specified location, i highly doubt she would have went to the other spot. 

And yes it all started with marijuanna, but then she was dealing to friends, and had extacy.  She was deffinetly breaking the law, but what she was directed to do compared to the crime committed is just simply crazy.  It's a real shame she didn't survive to tell her side of the story, because id REALLY like to hear what happened.  You know how cops like to avoid the facts, listin to the babbling idiot chief in the video.


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: JohnP]
    #9506875 - 12/28/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

skatardude10 said:


Dude, the fucking drug cartels ARE the pigs.... 


Are you saying the cartels are working with the US government, or that they're low life scum and so we should ignore the fact that cops are scum too?

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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: InTheRainySeason]
    #9507847 - 12/28/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well, KNOW WE KNOW POT KILLS!

Remember, back in the day a drug house was a kid smoking one joint with a friend or three........still is to this day.

Your damn right if you realize that if it was the  Chiefs daughter, granddaughter more likely.......no charges would of been filed!

He is a heartless SOB who deserves to lose a testicle, but he doesn't even have a pair.........and having a heart and a pair are one in the same.

It is just stupid to put people in prison for drugs, makes no sense with all the people that don't go there........it's not a solution at all other than a political one, and politics aren't real; just imaginary story land time......that really does affect society far to much.


Would drugs cause mental problems if they weren't persecuted, no, probably not.


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Re: Police Informant's Death Brings New Law, Lawsuit [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9510188 - 12/28/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It makes sense to lock people up for drugs...But locking the end user up in pointless, and locking the marijuana user up period is absurd.

I think we all know why this happens so I won't waste your time.


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