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mini-monotub air exchange and lighting
    #9509338 - 12/28/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

alright so i just impulsivly bought this led light that i think will be amazing for growing. but i don't know how well led's work compared to florescent, i know they work but idk how well. this light has 4 circles in a line each with 3 led's on each. along with 3 settings off, bright, dim. it's called the rite-lite wireless/wired led track lighting
http://www.amazon.com/Rite-Lite-LPL704W-AC-Independent-batteries/dp/B0019M6ZMU
i got it for cheaper at ace. but anyway i can't put it inside my mini monotub because in order to turn it on i have to hit a button. killing the power resets it to off, so i can't use a timer. so i have to put it on top of the container. then i asked myself how, and i came up with this. if i were to cut off strips or holes in the top and cover them with saran wrap, several layers to add support. then for air exchange drill 2 holes 4.25 in up the side of my container
http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_011W688305110001P?vName=For%20the%20Home&cName=Storage&Organization&sName=Storage%20Containers&psid=FROOGLE&sid=KDx20070926x00003a
mines black.
and then cut strips in the top that i would cover with micropore tape along with the holes in the sides, i can't find poly-fil anywhere but online and i don't want to pay for shipping when i already have micropore. or could i just take a big section out of the top of my container and cover it all with micropore then set my light on top of that? but i would like to know when my mini monotub was ready to pin so i could introduce the light. what are the other pinning conditions for a monotub? bescides light. i'm trying to get a good yeild but i don't need the full monotub. thanks much


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: 1dude1]
    #9509360 - 12/28/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You can pick up circular soffit vents at any hardware store.





They cost more then polyfill but they sure look nice.

I can think of 2 decent options for your lighting crisis.

One, simply cut out a hole in your lid slightly smaller in dimensions then your light strip.  Simply turn it on and set it over top of the hole.

Alternatively you could get a small clear acrylic panel (like my tub has) and glue the light strip to the bottom of it.  Attach a small handle to the top of the panel for easy removal.  Pick it up, turn it on/off, set it back down over the hole.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Spongiform]
    #9509391 - 12/28/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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You can pick up circular soffit vents at any hardware store.




Do you know what the size of the holes is on those?  If they're too big they could allow contams in, and humidity to escape.  Have you used them yet w/ good results?  They look cool tho.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: 1dude1]
    #9509410 - 12/28/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

LED's work great, both the little bulb circles (like yours) and as ropes.  people use them all the time.

However, not being able to have it on a timer is going to be a serious pain in the ass.


Pinning conditions: lack of substrate to colonize, fresh air/lowered CO2, and light.


Also, Polyfill is available at any craft store.  Joannes, Michaels, Ben Franklin, etc.  Pillow stuffing.  I'm SURE you can find it.  It will cost like 1.99 for more than you'll ever need.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: J3illy]
    #9509411 - 12/28/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

J3 they are 2 inch and also you can just stuff them with polyfill and micropore tape over the end to hold the polyfill in..


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Damion5050]
    #9509423 - 12/28/08 09:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Oh so you still put another type of filter inside them?


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: J3illy]
    #9509430 - 12/28/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I mean you could if you were worried about contams just stuff them with poly fill and tape over the open end with micropore tape to hold the polyfill in and give another filter barrier..


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Damion5050]
    #9509436 - 12/28/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Why do all that shit when you could just stuff the hole with polyfill and be done with it?


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Cascadian]
    #9509459 - 12/28/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Because the outside of the tub looks esthetically pleasing.. I mean that's why I would do it.. All I do for my mono tubs is put micro pore tape over the holes I don't even use polyfill..


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Damion5050]
    #9509504 - 12/28/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

so then with a monotub do i want to have high co2 durring colonization and how do i achieve this?
i was thinking of a different kind of thing for air exchange since i have an air pump and i don't want to continue pf-teks i thought i could get like a straw (from mcdonalds or something) stuff it with poly-fil and then add micropore to one side of it then just put the tube in and hot glue it to the straw. then punch a hole with a pen in the top of my monotub and just stick the straw micropore side down into the monotub. since air is less dense than co2 i was thinking of using gravity to suck out the co2 but i was also thinking of putting one straw in the top and one near the bottom but any suggestions on that?
and for the lighting i'm going to go for the holes and set meathod, but i'm going to put saran wrap over them. or am i just confused on how sterile i need to be with h-poo monotubs? also is it better to use h-poo and straw or just h-poo? h-poo sounds nicer because it's anti-bacterial straw just digested.

i would go for those things for looks and i still might becasue they would allow good circulation. but i'm into it just mainly for function and a little looks. but i just really like mushies.
i'll try looking for polyfil more than i did and if i can't find it i'll just buy a pillow from walmart or the $1 store, and use the polyfil in that.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Cascadian]
    #9509522 - 12/28/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well first off I'm still new at this and I'm on my first batch of tubs using a variety of sizes/methods.

I just made 3 new 18 gallon tubs using 2" circular vents.  I think alot of it will depend on the conditions of your growing area.  For me, it's winter and it's bone dry.  If I don't run a humidifier it'll be 20% RH in no time, so my tubs had issues with drying out initially even with just polyfill. 

I mist each tub once in the morning when I get up and once at night before bed. 

I retrofitted this tub with 2 vents because I decided my initial set of vents (6 1" vents) were both too small and too high.  I initially had planned for a deeper substrate but later changed my mind.



I also keep an oscillating fan on low in the room to keep the air moving.

So I'll be testing these vents soon to see how well they play out.  I hope they work, because they sure look nice :-D
They cost about $8 though for a 6 pack at home depot or lowes.
18 gallon tub + vents + acrylic panel runs about $20 then about 20 minutes to drill holes/cut lid/attach panel.

Another thing is, you'll definitely want the vents covered with something during colonization.  Once it's fully colonized contams should not be an issue anyway.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Damion5050]
    #9509553 - 12/28/08 09:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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All I do for my mono tubs is put micro pore tape over the holes I don't even use polyfill..




I hear this isn't a good idea, as micropore doesn't allow good enough FAE.  The holes on true micropore are 2 microns or smaller which is fine for GE but not for FAE.  Polyfill is much better for FAE, and you can control how much air it lets in by how much you pack into the holes

This is for Mono/Dub-tubs tho, that you don't open up till harvest.  I think you're doing this in a PMP, right?  A PMP wouldn't be a problem cuz you're pumping in your FAE, and the holes are more for exhaust.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: J3illy]
    #9509586 - 12/28/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I want proof J3.. LoL..  Here is a flush from a mono that was only 80% colonized, It started to pin because it had to much FAE through the Micropore tape..  After the first flush I had to trash the rest of the tub cause it will contaminate after the dunk..



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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Damion5050]
    #9509595 - 12/28/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Na I use my PmP for cakes and trays I also do mono's my PmP will be out of commision after I build my greenhouse.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: Damion5050]
    #9509613 - 12/28/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm just going by what ppl including RR have said - that micropore doesn't allow good FAE at all and should only be used on things that are colonizing like jars.  But if you're getting results that's all that matters tho.

I actually asked him a question in the thread, asking how Mycobags get good enough FAE - cuz IMO the filter-patches look like micropore.  He didn't answer tho, lol.


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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: J3illy]
    #9509628 - 12/28/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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This is for Mono/Dub-tubs tho, that you don't open up till harvest.  I think you're doing this in a PMP, right?  A PMP wouldn't be a problem cuz you're pumping in your FAE, and the holes are more for exhaust.



yes i don't want to have to open up until harvest, but what do you mean by PMP, pump? and what is FAE?
also is there any good tek that will tell me how to case my monotub substrate.
what is the difference between a substrate and a casing. in the casing tek's i have read it sais to put some down on the bottom and them some on the top of the substrate. but i was reading in some posts that you only want it on the top 3 in sub and 1/2 in casing. is casing just vermiculite, thats wet that i would put on top of my h-poo substrate? what exactly does this do? i can't just be told to do something without knowing what it does, so thats how i'm trying to learm musrooms so that i can repeat the process with a ton less questions. i'm a complete noob at this i decided to do this mini-mono yesterday instead of the pfr-tek. i already have 6 almost fully colonized jars 3 100% 2 90-95% and 1 at 75% so i need to get this going shortly.

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Re: mini-monotub air exchange and lighting [Re: J3illy]
    #9509629 - 12/28/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

LoL go figure.. The reason I don't like polyfill is because the fruits grow into it and it can be a pain in the ass to get them out sometime.. Also I am a neat freak.. So I like things to look as good as they function..


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