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If You Could Pass One Law
    #9502090 - 12/27/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

To which everyone in the world must adhere, what law would you lay down?

Can you think of any one law that could change the world?

You can't force people to love their neighbors as themselves, and there are already laws against murder, but killings continue unabated.

Would you outlaw the internal combustion engine?  Or would this just lead to nuclear-powered cars in every garage?

Read this question in a book last night and thought it was an interesting one.

I eagerly await your responses.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9502099 - 12/27/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I would make poverty illegal.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Tedwilto]
    #9502472 - 12/27/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Tedwilto said:
I would make poverty illegal.




So.......are you going to throw the impoverished in jail, then?  Who gets the blame?  As nice an idealistic fantasy a world without poverty is, making it illegal won't do shit, in any case.  The resulting bureaucracy will be exploited.  Also, it's Marxist.

As for my own choice, I would say that we need less laws, so as to shrink the existing bureaucracy:

Let no law be made or enforced that punishes an individual for actions which are consenting to all involved parties, and which results in no party being victimized. 

Basically, make the word "crime" mean what it aught to mean.  No more of this 'victimless crime' bullshit (and naturally, I'm thinking of the drug war, first and foremost).  Of course, there is more, but that is what I think would do the most good if it were enacted here & now.

Edited by Minstrel (12/27/08 02:20 PM)

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9503367 - 12/27/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'd make it so you need a minimum IQ of 120 before you can run for public office. It won't solve all the problems, but it can't hurt either, and it'd be interesting to see what happens.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9503551 - 12/27/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'd pass a law that repeals and forbids retarded, redundant,
senseless legislation especially that which restricts my
freedom to do what the hell I want as long as it doesnt
interfere with the freedom of others, as laws go punishments
are generally outlined and as such those that have written this
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bills in an attempt to make it a law shall be executed

I guess I'm the first to go since my bill will step all
over the freedom of legislators to pass stupid laws

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9504106 - 12/27/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'd decriminalize all drug sales and consumption.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: phi1618]
    #9509147 - 12/28/08 08:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

if you fail a class in high school or any other public school you get executed immediately, no trial. college is a choice so if you suck at college fine but if you suck at super duper easy public education then you don't deserve to live.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: SlashOZ]
    #9509212 - 12/28/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If you cant Take care of yourself then it should be illegal to have children.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9510814 - 12/29/08 01:52 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
To which everyone in the world must adhere, what law would you lay down?




Anyone involved with or complicit to female circumcision would be put to death.

Of course, any kind of infliction of needless suffering on a human is horrible, but isn't it great to read about tricking a small child into getting their genitals mutilated for no better reason than:

Quote:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/28/AR2008122802005.html?nav=hcmodule
"We don't know why we do it, but we will never stop because Islam and our elders require it."




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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Minstrel]
    #9511336 - 12/29/08 08:02 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well said.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: JT]
    #9516175 - 12/30/08 01:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

slashoz and fireworks god have some good laws there.

However I'd lay down my law with 3 simple words.

"No new coal"

That is to say no new coal plants... at all. Existing ones could be refurbished but only if they would meet higher emissions standards. This law should be repealed in 800-1200 years.

Oh yea and while making a coal law no mountaintop removal coal extraction as well.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9516191 - 12/30/08 01:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's criminal that new coal mines and power stations are still being built.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9516284 - 12/30/08 01:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

it oughta be anyway...


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9516900 - 12/30/08 08:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

how would you propose to meet the ever increasing demand for power in our nation without them being built? my mom is a director in commercial operations at AEP so planning this stuff out is pretty much her job. I talked to her about stopping the coal once, she said most people in the company do support it. The problem is that there are no effective alternatives.

People are too scared of nuclear, and just getting a permit right now costs millions of dollars and at least ten years.

Wind? They have wind farms in many places, and are building even more, but their power generation is miniscule.

Solar? Waaayy too expensive.

The new carbon filters that the obama administration is forcing them to put in their coals plants costs more than the plants themselves, so they will take a while to be adapted.

Edited by justin_thyme (12/30/08 08:43 AM)

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9517009 - 12/30/08 09:18 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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I think it's criminal that new coal mines and power stations are still being built.




Oh come now, humanity still needs coal.  In the far off days when we burn off all the oil and gas, we will still be able to use coal to generate fuel gas for important industries which rely on them, such as aviation.  Steel also demands coke for furnaces.

Power stations using coal is a different matter, they are bad.  Coal and fossil fuels are too valuable a  resource for future generations for just grid power.

The problem with politics like this is that it ends up that you'll have unqualified elected people making important decisions on technologies they know nothing about. 

For you other scientists here, I found a good talk on teh jewtoobz about the relation between science and policy, contrasting the science policy of previous administrations with the current administration:



So, I guess another law I'd like to see would do something to preserve the integrity of scientific research with respect to policy.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Minstrel]
    #9517692 - 12/30/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Nice common sense video.  :thumbup:


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #9517962 - 12/30/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

it would require all females to walk around in the buff.

or death sentence for women accused of unwarranted aggression towards men during pms.

joking of course..lol


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: eatyualive]
    #9518136 - 12/30/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The great thing about making a law that says no new coal is that you don't have to be the one writing the energy policy afterward.

It would probibly take a synergy of other alternatives to increase supply and a dynamic pricing structure that would at least show users when power was in excessive demand and they should lower consumption.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9519125 - 12/30/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that we can't really stop all coal use immediately. I just think it's a tragedy that we've gotten to this point. We should have been building nuclear plants ten years ago.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9519701 - 12/30/08 06:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I would make any form of Islam a crime.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: klimt]
    #9519744 - 12/30/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That's pretty open minded of you.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: klimt]
    #9519786 - 12/30/08 06:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What would that achieve?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9520010 - 12/30/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

>What would that achieve?

Some excitement, for sure!  Having a fatwa issued against me is on my list of "things to do before I die".  :grin:


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9520206 - 12/30/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Any international law, resolution, decree, etc from the UN is null and void.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9520355 - 12/30/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What about the WHO? It was pretty good at eliminating smallpox. I think the WHO is the best thing the UN has ever done, and it's pretty remarkable.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9520509 - 12/30/08 08:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

This subsection of the UN is unneeded in my opinion....the below source is from the British Medical Journal

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/309/6966/1424

Edited by SirTripAlot (12/30/08 08:39 PM)

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9520546 - 12/30/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That doesn't indicate that it's unneeded...


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9520593 - 12/30/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Umm.......I believe it does....the very idea that an organization can take care of the WORLDS health issues is Utopian....and another:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28274.html


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9520770 - 12/30/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What?

March of Dimes?  Polio?  Smallpox?

Solved.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: eatyualive]
    #9521109 - 12/30/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

eatyualive said:
it would require all females to walk around in the buff.

or death sentence for women accused of unwarranted aggression towards men during pms.

joking of course..lol



What do you mean you're joking?  That's my favorite one so far!  :grin:


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9521458 - 12/30/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The Smallpox vaccine and the Polio vaccine was not discovered nor created by the WHO. Additionally, the March of Dimes is a private charity, the polar opposite of the United Nations.

In regards to the REST of the UN:

http://www.blogicus.com/archives/ongoing_un_scandals_reflect_systemic_corruption.php


http://www.mawbimanews.com/2008/05/un-scandals-too-many-to-mention.html


http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/15/world/fg-haitisex15

http://www.startribune.com/world/15894262.html

...and it could go on and on....lets remember that the UN has no accountability, and will not even willingly give the results of an audit.......


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9522536 - 12/31/08 07:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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I'd pass a law that repeals and forbids retarded, redundant,
senseless legislation especially that which restricts my
freedom to do what the hell I want as long as it doesnt
interfere with the freedom of others, as laws go punishments
are generally outlined and as such those that have written this
legislation in the past as well as those that write further
bills in an attempt to make it a law shall be executed

I guess I'm the first to go since my bill will step all
over the freedom of legislators to pass stupid laws




I'd throw my support behind a law like that.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: citricacidx]
    #9522577 - 12/31/08 08:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I would pass a law that makes it illegal for venues to not allow sealed water bottles
because at raves u cant bring in water and they charge $5 a bottle, thats the same price as acid
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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Coaster]
    #9522586 - 12/31/08 08:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I would pass a law that makes it illegal for venues to not allow sealed water bottles
because at raves u cant bring in water and they charge $5 a bottle, thats the same price as acid
and i would rather just buy another hit :lsd:




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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: citricacidx]
    #9522596 - 12/31/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

that sucks that you have to look at lame looking to be able to hydrate yourself
and were am i going 2 fill that up
they probably wont even let that in
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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Coaster]
    #9522625 - 12/31/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Those things are awesome Coast. They don't stick out that much so it could be hidden underneath your shirt or a jacket. Fill that shit up in the bathroom, they usually keep water on tap in there, they just don't want anyone to know that. Plus, those things can hold a lot. Mine Holds about 72 ounces.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: citricacidx]
    #9522646 - 12/31/08 08:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

at the raves i go 2 they make the bathroom water supper hot so u cant drink it
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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Coaster]
    #9522750 - 12/31/08 09:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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at the raves i go 2 they make the bathroom water supper hot so u cant drink it
and i cant imagine filling that up in a little sink




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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: fireworks_god]
    #9522769 - 12/31/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i wish i could
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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Coaster]
    #9523424 - 12/31/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

the right to vote, for all things relating to the public.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: kadakuda]
    #9532847 - 01/02/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'd make a federal law inhibiting anyone of using cell phones while driving.

I'd also inhibit women from being able to drive huge, gas guzzling SUV's. :lol: :lol:

Juuuuuuuust kinding.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: fireworks_god]
    #9533051 - 01/02/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

weed would be legal

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: suburbanned]
    #9533731 - 01/02/09 07:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The title of this thread is "if you could pass one law".  And all you morons can come up with this weak, stupid shit about coal and cell phones and reefer.  Mental midgets.

I don't know who it was but one poster went to the crux.  Babies.  My choice would be you have to pass a means test (show financial responsibility) and a competency test (obvious) to procreate.  I know damn well why that is bad, but I also know why it is good.  As an evil dictator I say fuck you all and that's what I want.:penis:


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9534059 - 01/02/09 07:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, I wonder how would you regulate that? Refuse to teach sex ed to people until they reach a specific income level? Who would adopt all the babies that this program would take away from their parents?

Furthermore, what kinda fuckin idiot comes into a post like this and calls almost every previous poster a "Mental midget" for their suggestions, while making a real asinine and totalitarian suggestion?
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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: klimt]
    #9534181 - 01/02/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

illegalising the fractional reserve system and its likes. prohibiting against such involvement in government through the constitution.
all other lobbied legislation could be revoked naturally when people finally realise scarcity, competition and politics hasn't been needed since long ago... or so I'd like to believe (:


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: nimnimnim]
    #9534333 - 01/02/09 08:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

We've got more than enough laws.  The last thing that is needed is more "good intentioned" laws.  Don't forget that our current drug laws were passed by senators who thought that it was what their constituents wanted, and they may not have been incorrect on the matter.

I'd like to use my attempt to instead take away a law.  I'll get back to you on which one, as I can think of many i'd like repealed, but am having a hard time picking just one.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9534534 - 01/02/09 09:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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The title of this thread is "if you could pass one law".  And all you morons can come up with this weak, stupid shit about coal and cell phones and reefer.  Mental midgets.

I don't know who it was but one poster went to the crux.  Babies.  My choice would be you have to pass a means test (show financial responsibility) and a competency test (obvious) to procreate.  I know damn well why that is bad, but I also know why it is good.  As an evil dictator I say fuck you all and that's what I want.:penis:




You call us morons, but come up with some comical shit like this?! Oooooooo, k.  :homo:

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Hotnuts]
    #9538256 - 01/03/09 03:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, the people who, given one law to pass, make stupid posts about coal, reefer and cellphones are idiots.  Useless crap.  My law would do more for the planet than anything else I can think of.  Better for the planet, better for the children and better for the non-parents.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9538359 - 01/03/09 03:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Your plan isn't feasible on a national level never mind an international level at all at least everyone you just called idiots all outlined laws that were clear enough to be enforced.

Instead of insulting us why don't you answer some of the questions or concerns about your "law" (read: judgmental diatribe from a pencil-dicked right-wing tool) or perhaps telling us why you are in favor of massive species extinction the likes the world has never known, automobile accidents and the criminalization of marijuana.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9538405 - 01/03/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It pains me greatly to say but zappa's response was probably more in line with the general spirit of the thread.

I think controlling human population is an infinitely more urgent need than the decriminalization of my favorite drug.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9538632 - 01/03/09 03:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

As much as I agree that people should have to prove they are capable of parenting, you can't police people that closely. You couldn't force someone who doesn't pass the tests to get fixed, nor can you force them to not have sex. It's not realistic in the slightest.
Sorry.

But maybe you should read A Modest Proposal for some ideas since you can't force people to pull out/condom.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: citricacidx]
    #9538651 - 01/03/09 03:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

China managed to pull off something similar for decades, who is to say it is impossible?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
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China managed to pull off something similar for decades, who is to say it is impossible?




Oh yeah, that's right. Cause no one in China had a girl child that was abandoned or aborted, and everyone only had a boy if they were allowed.

"China's one child policy means girl babies are aborted, drowned at birth, thrown into rivers etc. Sitting next to a Chinese courier in a restaurant, he told me that millions of girl babies are murdered every year - aborted forcibly at full term sometimes."

Can you station a police officer, or monitoring device, in every home, house, apartment, flat, cardboard box, back alley, backseat of a car, bar bathrooms, motels and hotels everywhere to prevent people from procreating?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: citricacidx]
    #9538778 - 01/03/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

the thing about the one child policy is that it was clear. So clear in fact that it can be summed up in 3 words. However what zappa is proposing would be difficult to explain and implement. Not to mention the fact that it's so totalitarian it makes the one child policy look fair and egalitarian.

I am not saying zappa's law goes against the spirit of the thread, in fact most of the laws he called idiotic, some others and his are in fact the spirit of the thread weather you like them or not. I merely stated that for someone with such an asinine suggestion he was being awfully mouthy.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9538887 - 01/03/09 04:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

There is nothing asinine about it.  It's just too evil to implement.  I do, however, think it will someday have to be implemented or it will be imposed naturally.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9538944 - 01/03/09 04:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

How do you figure that?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9543687 - 01/04/09 12:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Eventually human population growth will outstrip the planet's ability to support it no matter how much technology we come up with.  We are still subject to the immutable laws of nature and one of them is that populations grow until they cannot.  Then they crash.  Due to our sentience and unprecedented ability to control our environment we can delay it for quite some time.  The plague in Europe was a prime example of a population crash applied to homo sapiens.  Technology can only delay it.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9544872 - 01/04/09 04:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Zappa the black plague was spread by an import of Chinese grains into Europe during a time of sickness in china. Grains were being imported into Europe because a temperature change related crop shortage. Because a lack of modern septic systems and a underlying ignorance of disease/biology the plague spread through Europe. During the Christmas break my brother told me about a person in a rural setting near his locality who had through poor management of his septic system contracted the plague. He was given antibiotics and discharged from the hospital when his conditions were shown to subside. This is an example of how human beings have overcome such adversity with technology.

Now I'm not saying overpopulation is not a problem and that it won't outstrip collective human resources. However, what you are suggesting would have only long term effects, in that it would take many years to result in demographic changes of the world. Also alongside this effect it will have the practical effect of creating a skewed dependency ratio. Many old people but fewer young people. This sort of demographic trend is hard to prepare for on the national level, never mind world wide. Additionally how would you implement it in African Villages or even American Mennonite communities? How would it even be enforced?

You haven't answered any of these questions about your "law" nor have you asked any of the ones you called the concoctions of mental midgets. In fact I could suggest if you wanted to make an impact your law would be perhaps, instead of your classist/totalitarian law, you would ban the agricultural production of meat. It would singlehandedly if not solve greatly halt the depletion of our soils and our aquifers. While making an agricultural regulation you could also ban specific bio-fuels that are doing more harm than good like corn oil and palm oil. You could even make provisions for sustainable grass fed operations to remain.

However, you instead chose a dollar value arbitrarily and said this should apply world wide. But not before calling me a mental midget, well fuck you buddy. If your so concerned about overpopulation why weren't you in this thread? Or did all the sophisticated terminology (large words) scare you off?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9545649 - 01/04/09 06:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Are you drinking again?  This early?  I have no obligation to post in every dipshit thread that appears.  Nor do I think a population catastrophe is imminent.  I have no idea what you are talking about vis a vis "dollars".  How will it be imposed in Africa?  By nature.  It already is being imposed by nature in Africa.  One way or the other, we are going to get a population limit.  Civilized nations can do it themselves without that much undue suffering.  Whether they will or not is unknown.  Non-civilized nations will either get it done to them by nature or they will be temporarily rescued by civilized, self limiting lemmings.  Under which circumstances we will all be dragged into pestilence and catastrophe.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9546019 - 01/04/09 06:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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How will it be imposed in Africa?  By nature.  It already is being imposed by nature in Africa.  One way or the other, we are going to get a population limit. Civilized nations can do it themselves without that much undue suffering.  Whether they will or not is unknown.  Non-civilized nations will either get it done to them by nature or they will be temporarily rescued by civilized, self limiting lemmings. Under which circumstances we will all be dragged into pestilence and catastrophe.




wow... Here's a map. Let us know when you get your head out of your ass.


What I was saying is that in many developing nations like Africa most of the population (many in excess of 99.5%) could not afford to have kids. Furthermore how was it going to be enforced?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9549054 - 01/05/09 02:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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It pains me greatly to say but zappa's response was probably more in line with the general spirit of the thread.

I think controlling human population is an infinitely more urgent need than the decriminalization of my favorite drug.




Maybe it is, but that isn't what he proposed.  He proposed a law.

That law would require people be put in jail or fined and when they allready have no mean to raise the child, this would be poor policy.  The only other thing I could imagine would be forced sterilizations which is ethically troubling and possibly illegal in the US.  Drug legalization would be a step that could be implemented and would have profound positive effects.  Rather than trying to punish, and hopefully stop, conduct that by its nature is generally private and poorly thought out, thus difficult to affect legislativly, drug legalization would be easy to implement- just stop fucking with people.

I also agree that decriminalizing drugs does pretty much nothing, though it would be a substantial step.  Legalising consentual conduct between people over 18 years of age is good, but decriminalizing wouldn't prevent the abuse of our rights and the ever expanding criminal justice industry.

At least the poster said he would decriminalize sales which would do soemthing at least.  Most talk of decriminalizing possesion which would seem to do nothing to help the state of the situation.

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It pains me greatly to say but zappa's response was probably more in line with the general spirit of the thread.

I think controlling human population is an infinitely more urgent need than the decriminalization of my favorite drug.




Maybe it is, but that isn't what he proposed.  He proposed a law.




Which, in case you hadn't noticed, is the title of the thread.
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That law would require people be put in jail or fined and when they allready have no mean to raise the child, this would be poor policy.  The only other thing I could imagine would be forced sterilizations which is ethically troubling and possibly illegal in the US.




Yep, hence my statement that it is evil. 
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  Drug legalization would be a step that could be implemented and would have profound positive effects.  Rather than trying to punish, and hopefully stop, conduct that by its nature is generally private and poorly thought out, thus difficult to affect legislativly, drug legalization would be easy to implement- just stop fucking with people.




So, your criteria for the one law you would pass is its ease.  Real brave, there Gunga Din.
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I also agree that decriminalizing drugs does pretty much nothing, though it would be a substantial step.  Legalising consentual conduct between people over 18 years of age is good, but decriminalizing wouldn't prevent the abuse of our rights and the ever expanding criminal justice industry.


At least the poster said he would decriminalize sales which would do soemthing at least.  Most talk of decriminalizing possesion which would seem to do nothing to help the state of the situation.




I would legalize all drugs, sale and possession.  But that just lacks enough gravitas for me to make it the one law.  I do all the drugs I want as it is.  Always have.  I'm just not a fucking idiot about it.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
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What I was saying is that in many developing nations like Africa most of the population (many in excess of 99.5%) could not afford to have kids. Furthermore how was it going to be enforced?




Africa is not a nation, and the affordability of children has not stopped them from having millions upon millions of them.  At some point there will inevitably be a law imposed by man or by nature to limit human population on earth.  Natural is quite harsh.  There might be a better way.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9551591 - 01/05/09 02:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I meant to say like in Africa but forgive my Palinesque slip anyway.

How can you claim your law is so much better than ours if you yourself call it evil?

Also how do you define financial competency?
I'd seen you rant about this in another thread and you claimed it was an annual combined income of 200 thousand dollars.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9551701 - 01/05/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You would not agree with my abolishment of the UN?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9553778 - 01/05/09 08:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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To which everyone in the world must adhere, what law would you lay down?





I would make quoting Monty Python movies illegal, punishable by being handed to the howling mob.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: TGRR]
    #9556165 - 01/06/09 05:57 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

>I would make quoting Monty Python movies illegal, punishable by being handed to the howling mob.

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9557534 - 01/06/09 12:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I meant to say like in Africa but forgive my Palinesque slip anyway.

How can you claim your law is so much better than ours if you yourself call it evil?

Also how do you define financial competency?
I'd seen you rant about this in another thread and you claimed it was an annual combined income of 200 thousand dollars.




I never said any such thing.  You are a liar. 

It is evil.  So is nature.  Nature is worse.  Sooner or later either we or nature will impose a limit.  Which would you prefer?  Tooth and claw?  Or reason?


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9557542 - 01/06/09 12:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
You would not agree with my abolishment of the UN?




That actually does not suck.  Not at all.  I must have missed that one buried beneath the avalanche of dope fiend and global warming idiot proposals.


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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9558103 - 01/06/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

My issue is that your law make no sense would be difficult to implement and there are many other laws like the one I mentioned earlier that would alleviate the burdens of overpopulation on the planet sooner rather than later.

My main issue with your law is that you called me an idiot while simultaneously making a needlessly totalitarian law about something you know nothing about.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: zouden]
    #9559841 - 01/06/09 07:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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zouden said:
>I would make quoting Monty Python movies illegal, punishable by being handed to the howling mob.

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!






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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: TGRR]
    #9560475 - 01/06/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Any legislature that seeks to authorize military action must take a vote.  If the majority votes in favor of war, those in the majority must kill themselves.  Then, an election would be held to replace them, and the next legislatures would vote again.  Repeat.

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Re: If You Could Pass One Law [Re: xFrockx]
    #9560686 - 01/06/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Any legislature that seeks to authorize military action must take a vote.  If the majority votes in favor of war, those in the majority must kill themselves.  Then, an election would be held to replace them, and the next legislatures would vote again.  Repeat.




haha that's what we should replace the UN with. I bet it would be much more effective.


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