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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: scottprotege]
    #9489148 - 12/24/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Im a shroom noob but I have been brewing beer and wine etc for years, and in my experience nothing is ever truly sterile. At least that is the way you should treat it. I dont think the heat so much is harmful because of contams, but from what i have been reading from peoples experiences on this forum. Too high of a temp will cause the mycelium to grow much slower.

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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: madz]
    #9489266 - 12/24/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Bulk isn't sterilized, its pasteurized.  There is a big difference.  Pasteurization doesn't get rid of everything like sterilizing does,  so....  Contams can pop up,  although ive read people getting away with incubating bulk,  most of the experts here will shun it.


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: widowmaker487]
    #9491067 - 12/24/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Instead of jumping to a mono tub you could try doing bulk in trays first...better messing up on a tray than a whole tub and if you have say 3-4 trays if one gets contams it wont be a big mess, only that tray will have to go, long as you catch it quick enough and depending on how it got contamed. Also, it will probably be a faster, safer, easier to incubate and your best bet all around. The only bad thing is the yield, but I would imagine 3-4 6 inch think trays with 3-4 inches of substrate and a nice half inch casing layer would supply a lot of shrooms.

If you got that down going form that to a mono tub seems more realistic. I haven't even grown before but I have been researching like I mad man...my train basically goes from
cakes-> casing just cakes-> spawning to bulk and casing-> monotubs/double tubs->greenhouse->??? I try not to get ahead of myself and trays seem the place to start, as after learning cakes and casing its so easy.

as far as your questions...are you not planning on using poo or just replacing it rather with worm casings?


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: kinderfeld11]
    #9491100 - 12/24/08 09:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I always hear that argument against monotubs. How does an FC that is only opened for casing and fruiting any more susceptible to contams than smaller, open trays? I've gotten far more contams from trays that were fanned and misted manually or by automation than from a closed monotub. If you're concerned about putting your eggs in one basket, use multiple smaller monotubs. I would also recommend not to case them. That's been the one area where I've gotten contams if I get them at all.


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: FooMan]
    #9491128 - 12/24/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I always hear that argument against monotubs. How does an FC that is only opened for casing and fruiting any more susceptible to contams than smaller, open trays?




Well I am not sure that they are 'more succeptable', I think if your getting contams whether it be trays or not a problem needs to be fixed. I just would think in theory that trays would be easier to get rid of said contams, and easier to control/handle especially given this is your first grow. I guess I am more thinking of what would be easier after the fact.

Getting a lot of monotubs running at once seems a little overbearing for a first grow IMO,a nd at least for me.... but hell you def bought/spent the money the equipment so maybe you are ready to go!

I was also a member of overgrow...if you have mastered growing MJ...cubes should be a piece of cake financially/physically AND mentally compared to MJ, at least this is what I find when reading. Other kinds of shrooms however I can not speak for.


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: kinderfeld11]
    #9491159 - 12/24/08 09:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Cubes are definitely easy. If your spawn is free of contaminants, the bulk sub is prepared properly and you use enough spawn=> bulk sub you shouldn't have any problems with a monotub.

LOL @ you quoting "more susceptible" like it was a phrase I made up.


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: kinderfeld11]
    #9491160 - 12/24/08 09:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Slow down chief.  A lot of your knowledge is off base. Start slow, learn the process and progress from there.  You should never incubate at 86 degrees. That information is outdated and incorrect. An 86 degree incubation temp will not increase colonization speed, but will greatly increase contamination's since they prefer the warmer temps.  You should colonize your jars at a temperature of around 73-78 degrees.  Also there is no reason to directly inject your bulk substrate, unless you are just experimenting for fun. There are several reasons for this. One being that it really isn't any good reason for it.  A bulk sub without first using grain as spawn is less nutritious.  Second, to get those bags to work you will have to sterilize them instead of pasteurizing them.  This kills beneficial bacteria that helps in a bulk substrate and is even necessary for some species.  It is also much easier to pasteurize a large quantity of substrate then it is to sterilize, unless you have several large pc's.  4 quarts of grain spawn can easily be used to colonize 20 quarts of pasteurized bulk sub.  Also directly inoculating a bulk substrate is not easy.  Even the experts at this site such as agar, have had contamination problems to the point where they determined it wasn't worth it.  It is possible and blue helix does it with good success.  But for a beginner, it isn't a wise choice.


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: FooMan]
    #9491179 - 12/24/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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LOL @ you quoting "more susceptible" like it was a phrase I made up.




No offense but your just attaching intentions/meanings to my sentences. I put '' simply because I was quoting your words in your post, nothing more.

Really, not being sterile or as sterile as you can in your procedures are the only things that make contams more susceptible, given your materials and produces are down to the book. For one example one way might be more succeptable due to more processing, and more materials needing to be fully sterlized...I guess I see these procedures more easy to fuck up, than more succeptable to contams...and  fuck ups=contams.


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: kinderfeld11]
    #9491215 - 12/24/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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LOL @ you quoting "more susceptible" like it was a phrase I made up.




No offense but your just attaching intentions/meanings to my sentences. I put '' simply because I was quoting your words in your post, nothing more.

Really, not being sterile or as sterile as you can in your procedures are the only things that make contams more susceptible, given your materials and produces are down to the book.




No offense taken bro. That's the problem with typing words on a forum as opposed to being face to face with someone. Sometimes our intentions don't come across the way we intended.


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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: FooMan]
    #9491245 - 12/24/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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No offense taken bro. That's the problem with typing words on a forum as opposed to being face to face with someone. Sometimes our intentions don't come across the way we intended.





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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: kinderfeld11]
    #9496533 - 12/26/08 09:06 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You guys are great with all the help and what nots but I don't need advice on how to best go about all this. I have done my research, I have had very good success with any project I have ever tried...I know my methods will work and I know my flushes will be beautiful. My question originally was just some advice on bulk substrate.

I know from experience that coming at a newbie and criticizing their chosen methods can be very harmful to their future success because you have gotten them second guessing their decisions. I am not saying this has happened to me because I have ignored every bit of advice that is not what I asked for. So just sit back on your asses and wait for my pictures because there is obviously way too much skepticism about my chosen techniques :grin:

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Re: Need help preparing a bulk substrate! I have done my homework! [Re: scottprotege]
    #9496558 - 12/26/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't need advice on how to best go about all this.




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