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cerebral gortex
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packing the substrate too much

#948208 - 10/10/02 02:55 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

i may have packed the substrate a little too much, and it seems that the myc's growth is slowing down a little because of it.
is there anything i can do to speed up the colonization?

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Re: packing the substrate too much

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#948243 - 10/10/02 03:17 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

incubate at around 84-86 which is optimum temp for cubes. Also did u tape holes if u did u can remove tape for added gas exchange but it might introduce contams :/ Also flip jars too helps i hear.

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Re: packing the substrate too much

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#948319 - 10/10/02 04:14 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

i do use duck tape over the holes, but i do not want to remove it for contam issues.
is it possible to shake the containers to move the substrate around a bit, or will this shock the myc?
my jars are about 80% colonized.

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#948323 - 10/10/02 04:16 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

No. You dont shake BRF/Verm... If you want to shake somthing, try grains (millet/rye)..

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Re: packing the substrate too much

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#948355 - 10/10/02 04:31 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

so should i just leave it alone then?
im new to this, and did quite a bit of reading on the subject before i tried.
i had just forgotten about the part that said "dont pack the brf/verm mixture in the jar, and to leave it fairly loose, so the myc could easily grow. i didnt pack it hard, but i did push it down slightly. upon visual inspection, you can clearly see that the brf/verm is in there pretty good.
the innoculated jars are 22 days old, and like i said in the above post are about 80% colonized. i figured they would be completely done, and rdy to be birthed by now.

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Re: packing the substrate too much

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#948380 - 10/10/02 04:45 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

well you are jumping the gun a bit but 22 days is a long time.
It might have been your syringe maybe.
As far as shaking a brf/verm jar, goodluck :smile:

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no need to shake it at all.
I find the older teks circulating the shroom community really have loads of totally useless information which just confuses new growers and basically cause problems more than solves them.

Sometime I think I`ll put together a simple yet concise grow guide based on my own findings and experimentation with brf/verm.
Personally though rather find a pC and use birdseed.

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Re: packing the substrate too much

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#948393 - 10/10/02 04:51 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:
It might have been your syringe maybe.

meaning it didnt reach down far enough, and therefore taking longer to work it way to the bottom of the jar?

also, this is the strain being used. http://www.thehawkseye.com/thai_lipa/thai_lipa.html

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#948397 - 10/10/02 04:54 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

No sorry, I didn`t read your original post correctly.
Have you flipped your jar yet??
Seems to do the trick with PF jars.
The thing is though as long as the mycelium is growing it shouldn`t be a problem, you`ll just wait longer.

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#948407 - 10/10/02 04:58 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

no, the jars havent been flipped, only because the TEK's have said that its "not always" necessary.

Edited by cerebral gortex (10/10/02 04:59 AM)

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#948411 - 10/10/02 05:00 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

It isn`t but most ppl here will testify to it working for them.
Also try to remove the tape from your holes, sometimes the mycelium needs a bit of gaseous exchange.

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#948433 - 10/10/02 05:10 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

remove the tape?
wont that introduce possible contam problems?

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#948437 - 10/10/02 05:13 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

There is a slight risk but if you wiped the inside lip of the jar and used a top verm layer you should be ok.

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#948439 - 10/10/02 05:14 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

The top verm layer generally takes care of any airborne contamination.

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#948445 - 10/10/02 05:17 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

ok, both the wiping and the top verm layer have been done, so the jars will be flipped and the tape taken off.
just one more question...
should the tape be taken off for good at this stage?

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#948451 - 10/10/02 05:19 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

I would suggest it yes.
You`ll find as well that the flipping of the jars will create a positive pressure forcing out any co2 build-up that might have formed in the bottom of the jar.

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#948452 - 10/10/02 05:20 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

sounds good.
thanks for your help..

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#948456 - 10/10/02 05:21 AM (23 years, 9 months ago)

Anytime

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