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 deCypher
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 Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate.  [Re: deranger]
#9469925 - 12/20/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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deranger said: it seems any understanding that may arise from this would be nothing but fruitless and superficial.
You could argue the same for any P&S topic. 
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deranger
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Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate. [Re: deCypher]
#9470006 - 12/20/08 11:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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now that i can't argue 
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate. [Re: deCypher]
#9470198 - 12/20/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You could argue (that any thread would be fruitless) the same for any P&S topic.
My past year's holiday Cranberry Nut Bread and Banana Nut Bread threads were far from fruitless.
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deranger
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thanks for reminding me of banana bread, completely forgot about it.
i'll probably end up cooking a loaf tomorrow 
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 C.M. Mann
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Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate. [Re: deCypher]
#9470638 - 12/21/08 01:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I, like you am here to learn.
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Booby
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Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate. [Re: deCypher]
#9471149 - 12/21/08 03:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Lately it seems some have misunderstood my general position on these forums, so I'd like to clarify a few points.
I like to argue. A lot.
Arguments are like team sports, you get a lot of people to back up your position and you carry that pigskin to the goal, whereupon the winners feel good and the losers feel bad. Perhaps we're just hooked on the serotonin.
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deCypher said:But the same old, tired, and trite resorts to skepticism about paranormal phenomena, God, religion, and other questionable matters gets old after a while. I'm on this board primarily to practice argumentation and good debate, and I therefore find it much more interesting and entertaining to argue for the weaker position; namely, to defend the existence of telepathy, convince that solipsism is true, or what have you. Consequently, my personal views rarely, if ever, come into my posts.
No, you just want to feel that energyboost again
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deCypher said:I'm curious--how many other people on this forum argue mainly for the sake of arguing and bettering their skills in debate?
Debating has a place I suppose as a spectator sport, we love to see them Nascars hit the wall and come undone.
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deCypher said:"Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated.
A basic precept in philosophy: "I have met the enemy and it is ourselves." We have to forget that if we want to enjoy the kicks of cutting ourselves while shaving (another lame euphemism from me)
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That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
Edited by Booby (12/21/08 04:27 AM)
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zannennagara
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Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate. [Re: deCypher]
#9471221 - 12/21/08 04:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just as "sinister" is opposite to "right," devil's advocacy is opposite to true belief and slandered with evil for that opposition. As foolish as it is to demonize all opposition is it foolish to inhabit opposition (or proposition) as a role.
There is no side in a debate, rather an array perspectives that tend to be segmented into different views with different solutions. A real look at any issue requires the broadest possible spectrum of perspectives, so the devil's advocate helps in the sense of bringing unconsidered positions to the table.
However this should not be viewed as an exercise in clinical argument parsing but as a necessity for any viewpoint lest one willingly relegate oneself to myopia - in essence it should not be a view "point," since that implies choosing one view instead of the others, but a view field that adapts to and encompasses every noticeable point.
You should challenge your own views so that they do incorporate the "opposition" and raise these alternative points when others miss them, but you should not dissociate yourself from any viewpoint that you understand; you should not pretend to believe something you do not but seek to understand how you might like others do.
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Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate. [Re: deCypher]
#9471328 - 12/21/08 06:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Lately it seems some have misunderstood my general position on these forums, so I'd like to clarify a few points.
I like to argue. A lot. But the same old, tired, and trite resorts to skepticism about paranormal phenomena, God, religion, and other questionable matters gets old after a while. I'm on this board primarily to practice argumentation and good debate, and I therefore find it much more interesting and entertaining to argue for the weaker position; namely, to defend the existence of telepathy, convince that solipsism is true, or what have you. Consequently, my personal views rarely, if ever, come into my posts.
I'm curious--how many other people on this forum argue mainly for the sake of arguing and bettering their skills in debate? Devil's advocate is an excellent role to play, IMO, not only because it disallows your verbal opponents from pigeonholing you into stale categories, but because it also forces you to understand the perspective of both sides.
"Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in every battle."
lol 
I love you..
"my personal views rarely, if ever, come into my posts."
"Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in every battle."
Wait.. But we dont get to know you..
do we ?
somehow .. it seems to me that the Joker is the only one laughing.. at the actual joke ! He is the one making the joke.
And he is doing it again..
Right now.
He never stops .. you know ?
Im scared of him...........................
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You set the rules
You make the game
There is nothing to clarify ...
if it were clear to all .. You wouldnt like it.
... it wouldnt work
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Booby
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Re: My position as a Devil's Advocate. [Re: deCypher]
#9471337 - 12/21/08 06:11 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Debate allows for the possibility that it isn't the alpha&omega.
The alpha&omega of course being a single-cell organism that subsists entirely on the appreciation of beauty in all it's forms.
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Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
Edited by Booby (12/21/08 06:17 AM)
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