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become a tripmaster?
    #9467077 - 12/20/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

good on you if you can find acid whereby one tab will sort you out fully. It is a rare occasion and even then two tabs is always a better idea, Just dont smoke pot and youll be fine. Ive only taken max 2 tabs but I feel like I've done my time and ive passed the test and ive balanced it all out in the end... I feel invulnerable... how hard can the trip be? Once ive reconciled with absolute abolition from accepted norms for an extended period, how hard can forced volition centred around an arbitrary guideline be to adhere to.
I feel like I could take ten tabs and provided I was in a safe place, I would be fyne.
My early trips were a mind fuck and a half... but they are all starting to make a lot of sense. After a point.. im sure you can become a tripmaster


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9467130 - 12/20/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

there is so much to unlearn.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9467183 - 12/20/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've been doing LSD for a few years now. I'd say I still have a lot to learn about this chemical... I took a trip last night that offically rocked me to the core and im still shaken.

I'm not sure what you're asking...

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I feel like I could take ten tabs and provided I was in a safe place, I would be fyne.




If you get the set and setting right you shouldn't do anything too crazy like kill anyone, you'll probably be fine. But you should still realize this is an extremely powerful drug that can be unpredictable at times.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Subconscious]
    #9470032 - 12/20/08 11:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yes but the drug will never jump out and bite me.. I can only kill myself. I dont want to end up cold and wet in some dank hole in a dark city street... but even then, hobos survive pretty well. Obviously this does not sound very humble of me, and I realise that psychedelic drugs continue to perplex people their whole life...
but in the end ive found that my motor skills are totally fine when on acid and other than that im going through a moment of experience.. so its just like any other part of life? with different meaning and content


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9470100 - 12/20/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm positive you will be surprised by LSD, & take back this bold statement. Sure, you could handle ten hits. But what you are saying is that you could take ten hits, & not change a single thing about yourself? I believe, most people tend to change things about themselves after trips, meaning they are completely vulnerable to the substances power. You will change if you eat enough acid, with the right mindset.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Mr Cyan]
    #9472368 - 12/21/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I said that I think I could handle it. Im not saying anything about acid not being significant or life changing. I just hear people say that they couldnt do a massive dose.. and I felt that way at the start too


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9472406 - 12/21/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

all you need is some benzos around and you're set 100% no matter what happens IMO :slomo:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9472409 - 12/21/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've only taken acid once. That's all i needed for myself. I don't ever think i'd try it again but i'm not going to say never.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: jvm]
    #9472426 - 12/21/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've done acid about 23 times since March.. it was my first year with it and I guess I loved it a little too much lol


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: dwtk]
    #9472556 - 12/21/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that very high doses of acid aren't nearly as freaky as they might seem to a newbie experimenting with lower doses, but there is definitely no such thing as a "tripmaster." I suppose certain shamans come close to fulfilling that role, but there is more to it than intimate acquaintance with a drug. If you manage to absolutely predict a trip, it's because you've been tripping way too much and things have gone stale. My last couple acid trips were like this (after about 90). Give it a few months, try again, and you'll probably be surprised by something. There's also a good chance you'll find a nasty surprise someday. It's easy to predict the generalized net effect of psychedelics (set & setting, etc.), but impossible to reliably predict for yourself, especially with repeated use.

Lose the sense of invulnerability, it won't serve you well, especially if you move onto psychedelics other than LSD; and with LSD itself there are worse things that can happen than a bad trip.

Also, perhaps unrelated but bears mentioning, you will never be "ready" for DMT.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9472583 - 12/21/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

tripmaster? :awesome:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mentalIMAGE]
    #9472594 - 12/21/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Heeeey... is that like the Keymaster? :smirk:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9472613 - 12/21/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've taken 10 times, and one some occasions more, in particularly unsafe and unsatisfactory places (I did this on purpose) and willed myself to be fine.

Same with mushrooms.  I've eaten 10+ grams of much tons of times.  In good settings and not-so-good settings.

I am the tripmaster.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9474692 - 12/21/08 07:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I think you'll still be surprised at times.

I would have thought handling a level 5 shroom trip would prepare me for LSD.....not at all.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9474731 - 12/21/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

you cant "master" psychedelia. Its too much of a subjective topic. Plus psychedelics are about letting go. in that sense its antithetical to try to "master" psychedelics.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9474750 - 12/21/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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yes but the drug will never jump out and bite me.. I can only kill myself.




psychedelics can never be dealt with in absolutes. They are inherently to unpredictable in their effects.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9474809 - 12/21/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

worst poster


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9474858 - 12/21/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

worst poster what?


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9474868 - 12/21/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

gee... when I read the title I was thinking of Tripmaster as kind of like a game master.  The more experienced dude brings the the shrooms/cid/whatever, and leads a group of travelers through a trip...

My first experience with acid had a kind of a tripmaster...


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9474882 - 12/21/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

sorry not you. i thought it would be obvious i was talking about noteworthy.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9474912 - 12/21/08 08:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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sorry not you. i thought it would be obvious i was talking about noteworthy.




i didnt think you meant me but still, He should be able to express his ideas without getting shit for them.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9476044 - 12/22/08 12:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think anybody who expresses a feeling of invulnerability regarding psychedelics deserves to get shit heaped on them. It's for his own good. If we don't do it, there's a greater chance the drugs will at some point. And that's far more traumatic.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9477351 - 12/22/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Still, rather follow your way of doing it, than the way mindfudged showed, read the posts :p


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9477375 - 12/22/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yyyayyy i love LSD
ive been taking it almost every day for the past 3 months
mmmmm :smile:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: iCkEdELiK_PLUR]
    #9477706 - 12/22/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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yyyayyy i love LSD
ive been taking it almost every day for the past 3 months
mmmmm :smile:




Seriously?
In what doses?

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9477788 - 12/22/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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you cant "master" psychedelia. Its too much of a subjective topic. Plus psychedelics are about letting go. in that sense its antithetical to try to "master" psychedelics.





perfect way to put it.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9478136 - 12/22/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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good on you if you can find acid whereby one tab will sort you out fully. It is a rare occasion and even then two tabs is always a better idea, Just dont smoke pot and youll be fine. Ive only taken max 2 tabs but I feel like I've done my time and ive passed the test and ive balanced it all out in the end... I feel invulnerable... how hard can the trip be? Once ive reconciled with absolute abolition from accepted norms for an extended period, how hard can forced volition centred around an arbitrary guideline be to adhere to.
I feel like I could take ten tabs and provided I was in a safe place, I would be fyne.
My early trips were a mind fuck and a half... but they are all starting to make a lot of sense. After a point.. im sure you can become a tripmaster




I used to feel this way.  Most of it was arrogance and lack of experience, however... entheogens can fuck your shit up sideways if you go in with an attitude of invulnerability.

My advice is to not reinforce the ego with boasts about becoming a trip master, and instead go into every trip with no expectations--let what comes, come.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9478927 - 12/22/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i meant that he is consistently the worst poster. i see his posts and cringe everytime.

WTF is up with this site, 90% of the people on here are much too sensitive. this is teh intrawebz, the place for faceless shit talking. every other forum ive ever been too is much much meaner, and consquently much more entertaining. on this site 14 yo idiots run freely posting their dumb asses off bc they aren't afraid enough of e-ridicule.

kid deserves a FAIL. get over it.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9479002 - 12/22/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The shroomery isnt like 'every other' forum, its a place of respect and psychedelic wisdom. A place to chill without NEGATIVITY. trust me dude, i dont wanna see no negative garbage when im trippin out on droogz and on here. go somewhere else if u just wanna cause shit


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Takemeaway]
    #9479005 - 12/22/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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The shroomery isnt like 'every other' forum, its a place of respect and psychedelic wisdom.




Clearly you haven't entered the hallowed halls of the OTD.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Takemeaway]
    #9479044 - 12/22/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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The shroomery isnt like 'every other' forum, its a place of respect and psychedelic wisdom. A place to chill without NEGATIVITY. trust me dude, i dont wanna see no negative garbage when im trippin out on droogz and on here. go somewhere else if u just wanna cause shit




ugh get real.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9479085 - 12/22/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well i hope to think it is, im more real then you you fucking piece of shit! does that feel better, does that make me more real? fuck off


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Takemeaway]
    #9479313 - 12/22/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is :awesome:

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9479458 - 12/22/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

For me the experience actually get easier around the 4 to 5 hit range.  At 1 to 3 you still have to much of a sense of reality and tend to attempt to keep a foot grounded which is impossible and confusing.  Rather than having a difficult experience looking for reality at 3 hits 5 seems to be enough of an experience to accept that you are going to be gone for awhile and simply enjoy the visuals and dept of understanding pouring through and out you.  If you think back to the era when people where really getting off the smallest doses available where at least 250ug.  Owsley's Blues were 500 a single dose and Tom Wolfe described it as "superman inside your brain".  Don't be so afraid, mentally prepare yourself with some quite time and as long as there is nothing bad in your head, nothing bad will happen.  happy travels!


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Takemeaway]
    #9479478 - 12/22/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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well i hope to think it is, im more real then you you fucking piece of shit! does that feel better, does that make me more real? fuck off




thats more like it. nice to see you grow a sack.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9479501 - 12/22/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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The shroomery isnt like 'every other' forum, its a place of respect and psychedelic wisdom. A place to chill without NEGATIVITY. trust me dude, i dont wanna see no negative garbage when im trippin out on droogz and on here. go somewhere else if u just wanna cause shit




ugh get real.




HAHA!!! He said "droogz"!  HAHAHAHAH!


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just because we all see the:greenshroom:
doesn't mean we all see the same
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I pushed my fingers through the earth, returned this flower to the dirt. so it could live, I walked away now. But I know... Not a day goes by when I don't feel this burn. There's a point we pass from which we can't return. I've felt the cold rain of the coming storm
None but ourselves can free our minds.”



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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: PreyToGod]
    #9479584 - 12/22/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

to becom a tripmaster u must first catch them all


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9480670 - 12/22/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What does your rambling post have to do with becoming a tripmaster?  What is a tripmaster?  Why should anyone care?


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9489849 - 12/24/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I was expressing a feeling I had after a recent trip..

Lol at the way some of you seem threatened at my opinion.

There is such a big difference between thinking that I can master the drug, and simply thinking I can master the trip. You see, its the same as feeling 'masterful' of normal sober reality.. its just living.. existing..

Plenty of people feel afraid of the trip.. afraid of their place in time and space.
Other people claim they are afraid of nothing.. I dont consider myself that at all.

As for DMT.. I dont think that is quite teh same as LSD or shrooms.. but after a certain point ive been able to let go each trip.. so it is also coming under the realms of my confidence.

And people often say stuff like 'i thought I could handle anything.. and then I realised I was wrong'... well thats how i felt when I started taking these drugs and hearing people say this a lot.

But over time ive come to see that there is a big difference between coping with the content of my thoughts and judgements.. coping with the ideas that are going past my head.. and coping with my existance.

It is the latter which freaks people out in all of the 'bad' or 'awry' trips that ive whitnessed. The issue always comes down to a matter of existance. Fears of apparitions, entities, events, etc, are al fleeting.. the stuff that gets people locked into themselves occurs when they start considering their survival, their place in the world, where they have got themselves, etc.

I would have liked it if, instead of going 'oh this bum thinks hes got everything worked out', you guys could think amongst yourself, which elements of a trip you feel that you HAVE been able to 'master' or 'accustomise' to, and which elements youve never been able to.. instead of just saying oh theres always mor to learn...

No one will ever learn everything... but once you are a teenager you can basically go out and survive in the world.

similarly you dont have to actually know things in order to 'go out and handle teh world as an independent being'.. you just need a level of understanding.. a level of experience, and a level of confidence.

And that makes the difference between someone who can and will ensure their own survival, and another person who does not have the mental apprehension to face the problems in front of them.

As a further note, someone mentioned the idea of the tripmaster being a person who is able to guide other people and keep other trippers safe.. this is also a role that I feel myself becoming capable at and try my best to learn about. I think it is a noble cause to understand these drugs best as possible.. and someone needs to be confident in order to lead and protect.. its a basic fact of life.. get over it!!

I always address all things reasonably and with an open mind.. or at least try my best to. I have come to be confident about a lot of acid related stuff.. based on the way I see other people react to the drug (including newbies and very experienced trippers), based on my own progression in trips, and the things that discomfort me.. based on what I read on internet forums like these.

some of you claim to also have been at a stage where you felt in a way that you would describe similarly to my first post.. and then this feeling left you as you saw more things...

well once again, some discussion whereby people give their input is better than a discussion whereby people see someone being confident and try to affirm their own status by pissing on that person's confidence.

let confident people be the wa they are.. without them, nothing gets done and no one learns anything. Im the only one whos going to get bitten by my stance.. so plz im more interested in what you have to think about the idea, and not what you think about me


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9490452 - 12/24/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i meant that he is consistently the worst poster. i see his posts and cringe everytime.

WTF is up with this site, 90% of the people on here are much too sensitive. this is teh intrawebz, the place for faceless shit talking. every other forum ive ever been too is much much meaner, and consquently much more entertaining. on this site 14 yo idiots run freely posting their dumb asses off bc they aren't afraid enough of e-ridicule.

kid deserves a FAIL. get over it.




Theres no need for ridicule at all in PE. This forum is for intelligent discussion of psychedelics and their effects not faceless shittalking and ragging on people you dislike.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9490653 - 12/24/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Look people can put me down all they want... it is rare that someone makes a worthwhile criticism, even rarer if people are pansy about negativity and stuff.

People who just say shit to exert their control on the internet suxor.
but being honest about whatever you feel is better than keeping it shut tight.

it would be better if people thought a bit about why they dislike something instead of simply oposing it though. eg, plenty of people on this forum have an issue with the fact that I am confident about what I do and who I am and post my face and also regard myself highly.. but people just seem to dislike it. I can have my own theories as to why people dislike it.. but in the end people dont usually work out what is wrong with any of that..

so yer I have an issue myself with the way ppl on this forum bitch about bitching... I am fine with everyone expressing their opinions.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9490679 - 12/24/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

OP you keep on making threads about stuff u don't even know about.  You have never taken 10 hits before u have taken 2 max.  Why do u think 10 would be a walk in the park?  And no one really cares that you think your comfortable on a large dose.  Retarded thread, doesn't surprise me from the OP tho :rolleyes:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9490736 - 12/24/08 07:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Those who think they are in control or are "trip masters" are usually the first to freak out  when the ship goes off course.
They usually freak out harder than those who have a open mind about it going bad.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: unretarded]
    #9490759 - 12/24/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand the logic:confused:
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I feel like I could take ten tabs and provided I was in a safe place, I would be fyne.
My early trips were a mind fuck and a half... but they are all starting to make a lot of sense. After a point.. im sure you can become a tripmaster




A)  What is a trip master?  WTF is noteworthy talking about, a shaman?

B)  Your generalizing trips, instead of making a huge assumption take 10 hits, then make a post like this. 

C)  This guy never fails to make huge assumptions based on things he hasn't experienced.  Why does he do this?  No one will ever know....


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9490803 - 12/24/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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My early trips were a mind fuck and a half... but they are all starting to make a lot of sense. After a point.. im sure you can become a tripmaster





What you are saying is that your ego has less and less trouble keeping it together during a trip.

Thats about the same as becoming the sexmaster because you can have an orgasm without as much as lifting an eyebrow.

You are supposed to lose it. Your ego and frame of reference is supposed to be blown apart like a house of cards before a hurricane.

Lose yourself. Find yourself again.

I saw a youtube video of an LSD veteran who ate 25 blotters of allegedly good acid and kept it together. He had wild colors everywhere while chatting coherently with a sober buddy.

Saddest trip video I ever saw.

You are supposed to lose it on LSD.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Asante]
    #9490814 - 12/24/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, you don't want to lose the magic with psychedelics, otherwise you have misused and abused them. They are supposed to teach you things, not for you to get "adjusted" to them and act sober on them. What's the point of taking a psychedelic if it's not going to dissolve your ego?


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Asante]
    #9490816 - 12/24/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The beauty of the psychedelic experience is going insane and experiencing consciousness in a new and highly unusual way.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9490867 - 12/24/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, you don't want to lose the magic with psychedelics, otherwise you have misused and abused them. They are supposed to teach you things, not for you to get "adjusted" to them and act sober on them. What's the point of taking a psychedelic if it's not going to dissolve your ego?





Psychedelics are not ONLY tools to lose your ego thats just one of the uses of the higher doses. Each dosage level has benefits if used correctly and to the strengths of that specific dose. but i do agree that its pointless to try to adjust to psychs to the point that ridiculous doses are almost useless.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9491120 - 12/24/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i meant that he is consistently the worst poster. i see his posts and cringe everytime.

WTF is up with this site, 90% of the people on here are much too sensitive. this is teh intrawebz, the place for faceless shit talking. every other forum ive ever been too is much much meaner, and consquently much more entertaining. on this site 14 yo idiots run freely posting their dumb asses off bc they aren't afraid enough of e-ridicule.

kid deserves a FAIL. get over it.




Theres no need for ridicule at all in PE. This forum is for intelligent discussion of psychedelics and their effects not faceless shittalking and ragging on people you dislike.

if you cant post in an intelligent manner then you dont need to post here period.




do you still need to type a period after you you actually type the word period? and no thanks ill post however i please. period!


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    #9491134 - 12/24/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Asante]
    #9491143 - 12/24/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I saw a youtube video of an LSD veteran who ate 25 blotters of allegedly good acid and kept it together. He had wild colors everywhere while chatting coherently with a sober buddy.

Saddest trip video I ever saw.




The Mad Hippie eat 25 blotters!  I saw that.  I think it was really almost 30 hits and all he did was eat strawberries annd whipe "the webs" off of his arms all casual like.  All I could think was "no fuckin way..."


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: PreyToGod]
    #9491161 - 12/24/08 09:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

but seriously: with sitter; you should take 2 blotters and then meditate for about 20 mins then just converse with you sitter til your first visuals then go ahead and eat two more and continue on as if in your thinking and mood as if you didn't add anymore and don't be nervous.  For me this second dose always comes on faster just more suttely than the first and before you know it you are in a world of wonderful moving colors a stimulating body rush.  Hopping in a warm shower and watching the water drops shimmer will always make this a great come up.  I have had so many mind blowing trips and experience this way.  You really aren't going to get hurt from this and as long as you make sure to stay mentally positive and clear before and during the beginning, you should have a great time.


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    #9491183 - 12/24/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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yyyayyy i love LSD
ive been taking it almost every day for the past 3 months
mmmmm :smile:



#1 I am calling bullshit on this one.
#2 Anyone who has been on tour knows how much you have eat after day 4 or 5 and that's a shit ton of acid.  No way you have tripped for 3 months and have the capacity to sign on, and type on this forum.  The saratonin and melatonin levels are so depleted I doubt you are tripping after 30 days unless u are perma gone!
 
#3 unless you have been simply wasting it and eating it without any effects which I will believe someone is dumb enough to do.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: dwtk]
    #9491263 - 12/24/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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all you need is some benzos around and you're set 100% no matter what happens IMO :slomo:



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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9492172 - 12/25/08 02:00 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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fine. dont get mad when you get banned.:shrug:




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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9492357 - 12/25/08 04:05 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

For fuck's sake, you're all taking both Internet forums and discussion of psychedelics far too seriously...

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9492416 - 12/25/08 05:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, you don't want to lose the magic with psychedelics, otherwise you have misused and abused them. They are supposed to teach you things, not for you to get "adjusted" to them and act sober on them. What's the point of taking a psychedelic if it's not going to dissolve your ego?




How can I even begin to answer that?  I don't think that psychedelics have much potential for teaching.  I think that a person can learn from psychedelic drugs, but only insofar as a person can learn from any new (or not new) experience.  I equate the potential to learn from psychedelics to be the same as that of learning from waterskiing or reading a book.

Ego dissolution just means a transformation in self-image to me, which is something that a person experiences every day.  Whether it is from a profound and substantial change in the perception of one's self (such as is possible with dreaming) or is just from a momentary flash of insight leading to a realization about one's self, changes in ego are an everyday and common occurrence.

I disagree that psychedelics are "supposed" to teach you things and I also don't think that ego transformation and disruption is particularly hard to come by, so besides these two relatively mundane uses you've prescribed for psychedelics, what is the point of taking them?  Whatever the hell you want.  I take them to get fucked up, to disorder my senses (and whether you like it or not, disordering senses and just getting fucked up does often lead to profound and substantial changes in one's ego), etc.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: unretarded]
    #9492517 - 12/25/08 06:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Those who think they are in control or are "trip masters" are usually the first to freak out  when the ship goes off course.
They usually freak out harder than those who have a open mind about it going bad.




Indeed I had a really tough first trip... Because I was all 'i can handle all other drugs' and it totally pulled the floor from under me.

But After taking a range of psychedelics, I've realised the extra dimension which is unique to them..and so even though some other new drug like salvia or something might manage to freak me out.. I feel like acid has sunk into the range of things im comfortable with, because all those other drugs were ACTUally in my comfort zone.. i just was a fool to extend my feelings about them to this new class of drugs, psychedelics




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I don't understand the logic:confused:
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I feel like I could take ten tabs and provided I was in a safe place, I would be fyne.
My early trips were a mind fuck and a half... but they are all starting to make a lot of sense. After a point.. im sure you can become a tripmaster




A)  What is a trip master?  WTF is noteworthy talking about, a shaman?

B)  Your generalizing trips, instead of making a huge assumption take 10 hits, then make a post like this. 

C)  This guy never fails to make huge assumptions based on things he hasn't experienced.  Why does he do this?  No one will ever know....




A)similar to a shaman.. in the sense of having a serious and open relationship with psychedelics.. except a shaman has spiritual relevance.. a trip master also (or only) has practical relevance. Yes I may as well develop a concept known as 'tripmaster' since it is a vague combination of words.

Tripmaster - someone who has ways of dealing with and controlling the dimensions of reality associated with psychedelic drugs. I think there are other tripmasters out there.. and on this forum. no master has 100% control unless they were god.. i dont think anyone out there claims to be god except ina  figurative or romantic sense.
But there is a huge and noticable difference between a trip master and a non-tripmaster - if anyone is doubting the relevance of this concept./


B) yeah I get it.. I will try 10 tabs when i get my hands on them. until then.. this is a feeling that I have about my ability to handle 10 trips based on looking at all the elements of trips and isolating them from the non-elements of trips over the course of a lot of introspective observation. This is a speculation, yes.

and from here I bring up the response 'Who cares about what you think?' and merely say that obviously a lot of people care because they have had such oppinionated responses.. and secondly I say that this thread is intended to ask what other people think abotu this concept.. clearly they think very little.. but I have a feeling this is mostly based on their opinion of Me instead of their opinion of this concept of tripmaster if given by a humble respected lady

C) Take a look around you - this is one of the main functions of human beings - to extend their ideas beyond their experience. dont give me a hard time about THAT


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all you need is some benzos around and you're set 100% no matter what happens IMO :slomo:



YES INDEED




I have a feeling you guys would agree with me. Because benzos remove all your worries.. benzos allow people to confront issues they couldnt normally... but other people  can confront these issues without the use of benzos. Similarly, some people can be 'set no matter what' without the use of benzos, but benzos will bring everyone else into the same realm by removing the 'inhibitory'  or 'self opposing' thoughts which constrict people's identity and freeflow in trips (or reality)



Some people think that these drugs connect you with an infinite external god... and in this way it would seem ridiculous for any human to comprehend the sphere.

But I think of drugs as openeing up our inner humanity and extending our reach to all directions, giving the conscious experience of infinity... I think you can have a (near) total grip as long as you accept the infinity as an internal trajectory and not actually a set of external, infinite factors.

once again, a total grip would imply godliness.. the 'near total grip' is nevertheless significant in comparison to 'no grip'


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9493137 - 12/25/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

man you really gotta take a step back and not jump to so many conclusions with this false sense of invulnerability with these drugs or youll get burned. You have no idea yet what these things can do. just experience them a bit more. These drugs are not about control.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: sui]
    #9493155 - 12/25/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I agree this kid thinks he is god.  He has a sense that he is inherently better than other people.  Newsflash kid, your just as human as everyone else posting on this site.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9493235 - 12/25/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree this kid thinks he is god.  He has a sense that he is inherently better than other people.  Newsflash kid, your just as human as everyone else posting on this site.




..................................................with a extraverted psychosis developing quite nicely too.:grin:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: unretarded]
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I agree this kid thinks he is god.  He has a sense that he is inherently better than other people.  Newsflash kid, your just as human as everyone else posting on this site.




..................................................with a extraverted psychosis developing quite nicely too.:grin:


But I am no doctor.......:shrug:



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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9493690 - 12/25/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Its kinda sad that everyone thinks so lowly of themselves...

its also sad that you people cant get over your grudges and actually read my posts and talk about this topic... because clearly I say that no one can be god and that no one can have full control, but we can still be masters of domains to a meaningful extent. just because a plopped the words 'i feel invulnerable' in the first post.. you guys cant handle it

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9493831 - 12/25/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

not that I am a trip master or anything,
but it make sense to walk away from some event complications
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9493896 - 12/25/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

you can be reasonably masterful of your own trips by
not letting yourself become intimidated by things,
and by not letting yourself be seduced by things.

without desiring or fearing anything,
how could one be unhappy ?



reading his posts in this thread,
i don't think that you Noteworthy is "full of himself"

i do agree that most (or everyone) here take themselves too seriously.
words, opinions, beliefs... thinking one actually knows anything...
are habits of the mind that can be tricky.


i think most people wouldn't come to discuss on the shroomery while they are tripping,
simply because they intuitively know there is nothing to gain from intellectual conversations.

when not being under the influence of shrooms,
it is easy to not be in that expanded awareness.
and then we are actively doing things which are not exactly good for us.
like coming here talking about things which we think we know something about
but do not in reality.

if we love the psychedelic experience so much,
then why do we always come down from heaven?
maybe it does not have to be this way.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9494049 - 12/25/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Its kinda sad that everyone thinks so lowly of themselves...

its also sad that you people cant get over your grudges and actually read my posts and talk about this topic... because clearly I say that no one can be god and that no one can have full control, but we can still be masters of domains to a meaningful extent. just because a plopped the words 'i feel invulnerable' in the first post.. you guys cant handle it

oh and guess wHat cognitive shift.. no one is equal..




Please use the definitions of common books ,not your own definitions.


You say"that no one can have full control, but we can still be masters "

The definition of master is to have full controll.........:wow:

We cannot carry on a intelligent conversation or even understand what you mean if you do not use the words correctly.

The basis for intellectual conversation is to use agreed upon definitions ,such as the ones that come from dictionaries ,not your own definitions we will never get to the bottom of.

I am not flaming you ,I am pointing out major errors in your communication ,such as incorrect word usage.

This is why you are having trouble comunicating your thoughts.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: unretarded]
    #9494063 - 12/25/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

jfc

and I thought I was obsessive.
psychedelic experiences are subjective, not some unifying truth.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9494123 - 12/25/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think lowly of myself, but I'm smart enough to realize that LSD is a very powerful drug and can be unpredictable at times. No matter how much you think you're in control or have it all mastered, theres always going to be another trip that totally blows your mind apart and leaves you to pick up the pieces.

I have probably over 100 LSD experiences under my belt... and my respect for the chemical and what it can do to the human mind has only grown. You've never taken more than 2 hits, probably didn't even have a proper trip on them and you're talking like you can handle anything. It doesn't necessarily work like that dude, its the people with that mindset who end up freaking out big time when they actually get a proper taste of what LSD can do.

You just sound really immature and childish... if you really think you can handle anything- eat 10 and write up a report. Until then... you're just ignorant and inexperienced, trying to pretend like you know what you're talking about.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Subconscious]
    #9494149 - 12/25/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

the term "tripmaster" just grosses me out.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: piracetam]
    #9494162 - 12/25/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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jfc

and I thought I was obsessive.
psychedelic experiences are subjective, not some unifying truth.
dictionaries and definitions are irrelevant



Hey.......
He is using words ,words come from a dictionary ...not your drug fueled subjective visions.

The word master is not a subjective exsperiance ,its a word and words have definitions.  :nonono:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Subconscious]
    #9494169 - 12/25/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think lowly of myself, but I'm smart enough to realize that LSD is a very powerful drug and can be unpredictable at times. No matter how much you think you're in control or have it all mastered, theres always going to be another trip that totally blows your mind apart and leaves you to pick up the pieces.

I have probably over 100 LSD experiences under my belt... and my respect for the chemical and what it can do to the human mind has only grown. You've never taken more than 2 hits, probably didn't even have a proper trip on them and you're talking like you can handle anything. It doesn't necessarily work like that dude, its the people with that mindset who end up freaking out big time when they actually get a proper taste of what LSD can do.

You just sound really immature and childish... if you really think you can handle anything- eat 10 and write up a report. Until then... you're just ignorant and inexperienced, trying to pretend like you know what you're talking about.




Excellent reply.  :congrats:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: unretarded]
    #9494187 - 12/25/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Since I am talking about feelings of mine, and not the state of the world, the whole 'you dont know what youre talking about' doesnt really apply. I am in fact the foremost authority on matters of my own experience of life... I never said that 'I can handle 10 trips'. I dont know where some of you read this, if you did.

what most of you think is that I cant handle a lot of acid.. because ive not tried it yet. Which seems to miss the point of the feeling that I had when I posted this thread - which was that I feel as though I am 'ready' for any dose and can be sure that I will not 'go crazy' or someshit.

Sure plenty of you disagree..

it hasnt got to do with me talking about things I dont know about.. im talking about a FEELING ABOUT THINGS I DONT KNOW ABOUT..

lol as for unretarded's 'dictionary' reference.. just LOL
If master means 100% control.. then no one is a master and the word would not exist.. at least get your definitions right. I went through about 30 definitions of 'master' just then, and none of them mentioned 'absolute control'.

So anyway, why dont you people, instead of flailing your balls in my face, give me an idea of some of the ways that I could be taken by surprise? some stories?

I mean, I am only here to generate, share, and find ideas amongst an online community. Im not here to prove anything.. ive got 'Real Life' for that. Im just here to generate thoughts.. especially ones that I dont just talk about to my friends. so all of you who get off on telling other people over the net who they are and what the real situation of their life is.. you guys keep on having fun ... but to everyone else, why not contribute to this discussion?

eg. many of you think that I am being foolish by being comfortable with the notion of taking 10 hits. Well, in order to actually make a point, you could share experiences or something. instead of talking about what you think of me.

Like what are some of the moments in a totally intense trip that you think would break my soul?

Such an answer would have been what I was expecting when I made this thread...

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9494335 - 12/25/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

QUOTE"it hasnt got to do with me talking about things I dont know about.. im talking about a FEELING ABOUT THINGS I DONT KNOW ABOUT.."

I am done...............:nonono:




You said you felt like a tripmaster/invulnerable and people responded with thier thoughts on what you felt...............thats the definition of discussion.

The problem was they did not agree with you ,but now you are starting to ask questions:  QUOTE
" give me an idea of some of the ways that I could be taken by surprise? some stories? "

This is good ,much better than this invulnerable/tripmaster  malarky.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9494383 - 12/25/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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oh and guess wHat cognitive shift.. no one is equal..




Thats just fucked up.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9494399 - 12/25/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

All people are equal, but some people are more equal than others.  :wink:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: deCypher]
    #9494406 - 12/25/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

lol

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9494517 - 12/25/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

'thats just fucked up'

Really?

I have the impression that everyone and everything is unique and different every moment

By the way, unretarded, I have a feeling that people responded with their thoughts on 'someone who is confident beyond their experience' as opposed to their thoughts on my thoughts. I have barely any responses regarding the things ive raised.. mostly responses regarding the fact that I  raised them

Im surprised at how 'fail' you guys think this all is...

im not ridiculing anyone, im not imposing my belief on anyone, im not posting irrelevant stuff, im not making any ad hominem remarks, im not raising offensive values or promoting any sort of discrimination, im not appealing to any sort of 'authority' or dogma or fad, and im pretty sure I am making sense, even though I am not capitalising all my sentences, etc.

so whats your probs? jesu christu...
all so offended when one man suggests that he has worked something out, or surpassed the status quo... offended that he merely has the feeling that he has moved onto a further stage..

I mean, i could understand it if I was coming in here and saying 'I am a tripmaster, I am awesome, and thus you should listen to me' or perhaps 'I am a tripmaster and know all there is about acid so you shouldnt bother doubting me'... but this is not what I said, nor what I implied, and the fact that so many people reacted as if I DID imply this... well I cant blame them considering how all most people care about is scoring points amongst eachother and putting eachother in their place, as many have tried to do in response to this thread.

This notion of becoming a tripmaster is a very romantic and exciting notion to me, and I am totally open to learning all new things. The whole point is that it is not 'easy' as if oh 'acid trips are easy now, im a tripmaster'. To me it is a very noble path, and requires humility, acceptance, open-mindedness, being genuine, being patient, looking into peoples minds and becoming one with their motives instead of just reacting to them, being safety conscious but also being very explorative.. It is a responsibility.. that I feel I am making large steps toward being able to fulfil.

In some ways thus I feel a bit hurt at the way everyone scoffs at this notion.

but in other ways, I am very used to rubbing the wrong way with people and cant expect too much unconditional acceptance from others when I throw myself out there


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9494704 - 12/25/08 08:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

while using dmt, you can get to the point where you cant be sure what is happenning, and then after few minutes it is ok...
this does happen to me on level 5 salvia trips, but dmt and salvia have built in fail safe.
they are short duration.
this degree of intensity and resonance can set in on high dose acid or shrooms without the fail safe timeout.
you get stuck with 3 hours of freaky peak
yes
you can make it through. and if you do a ten strip or otherwise a heck of a lot of lsd you may get to that same place, where you can't be sure.
no one goes there and comes back master.
many do go there and return touched.
some come to think they were not touched.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9494760 - 12/25/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

DMT >> LSD

I've done a ten strip of potent white fluffs once, the peak of the experience couldn't hold a flame to a 70mg DMT flash.

it's been said before. on LSD, you can be the driver. on DMT, you take a back seat.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: piracetam]
    #9494776 - 12/25/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

it's not a challenge,
you obviously would need more LSD,
all I am saying is the effect can be duplicated, it just will be locked in for a longer time.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9494788 - 12/25/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

LSD reaches a point where you couldn't take anymore to get a stronger effect.
on DMT, you'd likely pass out from sensory overload, and get amnesia of the experience, similar to a salvia overdose
(not that the same isn't possible on L). the more DMT you take, the more out there you'd get


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9494809 - 12/25/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

hehe well it would still be 'less' LSD.. in fact, 50mg of many psychedelics seem to be off-the-scale doses, which raises the question whether DMT is as powerful as people make it out to be or if it simply lasts short enough time for more people to end up experiencing the 'deep end'
but then again, ive not reached the heights of LSD or psilocin and maybe the 'ceiling effect'  prevents those drugs from reaching the same extent, as would be consistent with piracetam's remark, but not redgreenvines


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9494819 - 12/25/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Since I am talking about feelings of mine, and not the state of the world, the whole 'you dont know what youre talking about' doesnt really apply. I am in fact the foremost authority on matters of my own experience of life... I never said that 'I can handle 10 trips'. I dont know where some of you read this, if you did.

what most of you think is that I cant handle a lot of acid.. because ive not tried it yet. Which seems to miss the point of the feeling that I had when I posted this thread - which was that I feel as though I am 'ready' for any dose and can be sure that I will not 'go crazy' or someshit.

Sure plenty of you disagree..

it hasnt got to do with me talking about things I dont know about.. im talking about a FEELING ABOUT THINGS I DONT KNOW ABOUT..

lol as for unretarded's 'dictionary' reference.. just LOL
If master means 100% control.. then no one is a master and the word would not exist.. at least get your definitions right. I went through about 30 definitions of 'master' just then, and none of them mentioned 'absolute control'.

So anyway, why dont you people, instead of flailing your balls in my face, give me an idea of some of the ways that I could be taken by surprise? some stories?

I mean, I am only here to generate, share, and find ideas amongst an online community. Im not here to prove anything.. ive got 'Real Life' for that. Im just here to generate thoughts.. especially ones that I dont just talk about to my friends. so all of you who get off on telling other people over the net who they are and what the real situation of their life is.. you guys keep on having fun ... but to everyone else, why not contribute to this discussion?

eg. many of you think that I am being foolish by being comfortable with the notion of taking 10 hits. Well, in order to actually make a point, you could share experiences or something. instead of talking about what you think of me.

Like what are some of the moments in a totally intense trip that you think would break my soul?

Such an answer would have been what I was expecting when I made this thread...

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I remember one time when I was about your age and feeling invincible I randomly ate about 2 grams of shrooms spontaneously with a couple friends.  An hour later, they disappeared into  a room together and I was left alone.  Things got dark and intense like I had never seen or experienced.  Evil, wicked and scary.  I previously had only nice, light happy trips with great vids and pretty colors and great ody waves.  This night had me cringing in a ball crying for my mother and praying to any God who would listen.  I had honestly believed I had already died and was headed for Hell and the people in my life had shadow dimensions of themselves there waiting some were there to torture me and taunt me, others had to watch as their punishment...There was more but the moral is...NEVER SAY NEVER, I have no idea what kind of mushies these were but I at two smallish buttons and had terrifying auditory hallucinations and severe mind movies and everything.  Of course I could handle it better now if it happened again.  This is because I firmly believe in my sig the if it doesn't kill you, you improve to deal.  but that doesn't mean there is not a curveball waiting around a corner for us that can or will put oe of us in a rubber room.on a 50 shot of halcion or thorazine babbling about shit some guard will be laughin at.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9495321 - 12/25/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

<----Tripmaster right here.


I mastered LSD around 1995, now if I take it I can have as much as I like without losing head space but gaining an unusual feeling of POWER.

I recently Mastered Shroom Tripping, same story, no Trip now just power.

My 2 cents worth is quite simply the secret is in the dosage. I would take the minimum amount to get a mild trip out of it and then wait for several weeks before doing it again(I've had a match stick heads worth of shrooms and found it to be enough).

The point is to build up a Capability for tripping, not a tolerance.

Took about 18months to Master Shroom Tripping but I didn't trip often and I had already Mastered Acid(which took several years).


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Crimson_Nub]
    #9495341 - 12/25/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

bold, oh so bold.

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    #9495668 - 12/26/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

WTF?


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9496478 - 12/26/08 08:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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but then again, ive not reached the heights of LSD or psilocin and maybe the 'ceiling effect'  prevents those drugs from reaching the same extent, as would be consistent with piracetam's remark, but not redgreenvines



that ceiling effect is only from tolerance,
there should be no ceiling with lsd if used infrequently (less than 6 times per year)


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9496689 - 12/26/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

that ceiling effect is likely from plasma saturation (and metabolism), an insurmountable form of tolerance.

not exactly where I've read it, but I've heard it's somewhere in the 650-750µg range for an avg male (75kg).
we've discussed it in another thread, even thumbprints are a waste of acid.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Subconscious]
    #9496941 - 12/26/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think lowly of myself, but I'm smart enough to realize that LSD is a very powerful drug and can be unpredictable at times. No matter how much you think you're in control or have it all mastered, theres always going to be another trip that totally blows your mind apart and leaves you to pick up the pieces.

I have probably over 100 LSD experiences under my belt... and my respect for the chemical and what it can do to the human mind has only grown. You've never taken more than 2 hits, probably didn't even have a proper trip on them and you're talking like you can handle anything. It doesn't necessarily work like that dude, its the people with that mindset who end up freaking out big time when they actually get a proper taste of what LSD can do.

You just sound really immature and childish... if you really think you can handle anything- eat 10 and write up a report. Until then... you're just ignorant and inexperienced, trying to pretend like you know what you're talking about.




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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9498479 - 12/26/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

And I think that people can differ in their ability to see and pick up the peices of their mind, how to hold them without dropping them, etc. How to keep going while some peices are missing.

I feel like I respect this drug more than anyone that I know. But part of that respect is also knowing where the respect ends. Just because you respect your grandfather more than anyone else in the world does not mean you should offer your wife to him. One must recognise the place in life that is theirs and the place in life that is others' and to fully respect is to appropriately allocate these realms, but it is not respectful to simply submit to someone without considering its actual nature.

When considering LSD's actual nature I think that although there are some elements which we cannot grapple.. we should treat those elements with utmost respect. Those elements which we can grapple, we should take under our wing and try our best to respectfully master

its not black and white.

But I do understand that to actually claim to be master of a jungle, a man must probably show himself to prevail through an incident with the tiger.
Nevertheless, he can still consider the concept of junglemaster and also strive for it and feel as though he is capable of it, before having first hand been in front of the tiger. He can understand that it is a major test, and can respect it as such. But he does not have to make the Tiger the Master of him in order to respect it rightfully...


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9498527 - 12/26/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I am the Tripmaster.

I have stood atop Mount LSD, and gloried in its wonder.  I have spelunked in the nightmare caverns of Datura.

I have slain DMT elves with my long sword of psychedelia, and staked the head of Lady Salvia on my front lawn.

I have ripped the sacred Ganja plant from its fertile fields.  I have bitch-slapped the Ayahuasca shaman, and decimated the Fungii where they lay.

I have seen visions of cosmic wonder and I have defiled them.  I have lost my ego and have dedicated my life to killing it in others.

There can only be one Tripmaster.  You, sir, have only succeeded in being mastered by the Trip.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: deCypher]
    #9498819 - 12/26/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



"..thought you said this guy was the Tripmaster?"

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: deCypher]
    #9499785 - 12/26/08 10:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I have slain DMT elves with my long sword of psychedelia





am i mistaken or did you say in your dartura thread that you have never broken through on dmt....

?

edit: ya you did.

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They're similar in the utter disconnect from ordinary reality, yes.

I have not had a breakthrough experience on DMT so I can't give a full comparison, but from what I've read it seems like DMT brings you into a completely different reality, while Datura instead brings a completely different reality to this one.




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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9499795 - 12/26/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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So anyway, why dont you people, instead of flailing your balls in my face, give me an idea of some of the ways that I could be taken by surprise? some stories?







ummm i dont know what you mean by that....


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    #9499797 - 12/26/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9499831 - 12/26/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Obviously you werent there when he fucked Ms Mescalita with his unwieldy Penis of Ecstacy. It was throbbing like the breathing walls of a Shamanic Hut, and once it was over, the DMT elves spawned forth.. luckly someone was watching and cast the Sword of Psychedelia his way, soon enough to allow him to carve their self-transforming-indescribable-body-parts before they actually managed to put their DMT pipe (which might I ad was dripping wet from Ms Mescalita) in his mouth

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9500265 - 12/27/08 12:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: deCypher]
    #9500335 - 12/27/08 12:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I am the Tripmaster.

I have stood atop Mount LSD, and gloried in its wonder.  I have spelunked in the nightmare caverns of Datura.

I have slain DMT elves with my long sword of psychedelia, and staked the head of Lady Salvia on my front lawn.

I have ripped the sacred Ganja plant from its fertile fields.  I have bitch-slapped the Ayahuasca shaman, and decimated the Fungii where they lay.

I have seen visions of cosmic wonder and I have defiled them.  I have lost my ego and have dedicated my life to killing it in others.

There can only be one Tripmaster.  You, sir, have only succeeded in being mastered by the Trip.




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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9500388 - 12/27/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

tripmaster

SOrt of one word, but so fucking funny.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9501738 - 12/27/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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am i mistaken or did you say in your dartura thread that you have never broken through on dmt....




Poetic hyperbole, motherfucker.  Do you speak it?

:lol:

I just ordered 200 grams of Mimosa Hostilis, so hopefully a breakthrough is in my near future.  :levitate:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: deCypher]
    #9502268 - 12/27/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ha yeah now that i reread it i must have been too high to think you were speaking literally. i usually try to not be an idiot. sorry, motherfucker.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504207 - 12/27/08 08:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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'thats just fucked up'

Really?

I have the impression that everyone and everything is unique and different every moment





Thats interesting but completely out of context in this conversation. We were talking about people being more valuable or worthwhile than other people, not about whether people are identical or different.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9504352 - 12/27/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Actually this thread is about being capable at something.. this thread has nothing to do with the 'worth' of someone... This concept was raised by my critics in order to make this thread seem like I am boasting about myself.
Regardless of how you worth people (because that would depend on what you value), differnet people still have different ways of dealing with their situations, with differnet skills, different creativities, different tendancies for emotional directions, etc.
Now, some people think these things are not worth anything. That is fine, and people are allowed to believe that the only thing that is worth anything in a person is the fact that the can say 'me'.
But that is not what any of this was meant to be about or should be about.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504382 - 12/27/08 09:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

But now I shall address this notion because I do have opinion on the matter to share. And it is controversial.

Personally, I think that some people are worth more to me than others. This is how humans think. This is the basis of 'groups' and more primarily, of 'family'. even of 'self'. The notion of 'everyone being worth the same' does not have to do with how we individually value eachother, or else we would see that NO ONE upholds this value system. However as humans we realise that there are a set of assertions that we declare as a social agreement. They are put in place so that as a whole we function on a similar set of goals, instead of each man valuing the world on his own terms. IT is a matter of bureaucracy and sheer pragmatics that we have created the notion of everyone being worth the same. IT is an ideal.

It is not real because I know that people a) value themselves over others in general. b) value their family over other families, in general, and c)value their groups over other groups, in general. Moreso, people openly value babies more than old people, and depending on the situation, people value women&children over men, or vice versa. These are in many instances the SAME people who also uphold the bureaucracy of 'equal rights'.

There are absolutely no outright 'rights' in this world. We only earn 'privelages', by submitting somehow. We are protected by our human rights by being in our society. Being in our society, however, is dependent on our work and money. No one gets in for free. Its not like the lower class (who dont give lots of money and work to social cogs) have rights... many live in poverty and the law could care less about them.
But the ideal remains.. and I think it probably is a good ideal, because no one really has the ability to properly assign 'value' to eachother, without first knowing everyone in every way. So they may as well outsource their values to the only reasonable 'ideal that fits all' - equality.

If someone was a true 'equalist' (as oposed to a bureaucratic equalist) they would barely ever do anything for themselves because they would realise that everyone else is just as special and they can actually help two other people by being selfless more than they can help just themselves by being selfish. Thus they have ended up helping two people survive instead of one, and if every life is equal then this is the only reasonable thing to do.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504440 - 12/27/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Its true.

  There are people who are very attuned to these states of mind, and alot of people just get really "fucked up", even if they know they are experiencing something profound.
Im not saying that most people who use these drugs are simple stoners.

I Am saying  that there are special people out there.....all sorts of special people.

You can meet a very smart person, but they might not be able to navigate the psychedelic space very well(with other people especially).
One of the smartest people I know Is a total dipshit in many ways.
He couldnt feel a gram of mushrooms if he injected the shit.
He would just end up with a hangover and the desire to play sudoku all morning.

There are all different types of smarts.

Some people are really good at freaking out and laying out the weirdness when it comes to communicating about psychedelics.
Communicating THE ever so subjective psychedelic experience.
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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504470 - 12/27/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm: I can tell its pointless to discuss this with you.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: yageman]
    #9504472 - 12/27/08 09:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I strive for objectivism.

  Thats where I begin and many people end.
In my experience that is, as it pertains to psychedelics etc.

Its so very fucking true.........Some people are gifted in a way.
Lots of ways actually.

With psychedelics it is very obvious, and I dont feel like I should have to prove this fact.

The ones who see massive visuals on lets say, .5 grams are the people who on a very base level interest me the most.

You could call that special, and nobody here can claim how far such a psychedelic mind can go.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: yageman]
    #9504546 - 12/27/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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The ones who see massive visuals on lets say, .5 grams are the people who on a very base level interest me the most.

You could call that special, and nobody here can claim how far such a psychedelic mind can go.




Hey man, long time no see.

I used to be one of those people. Hehe does that mean you think I'm special, aww shucks thanks mate.

Seriously though you mention "nobody here can claim how far such a psychedelic mind can go.". When I started tripping I "HATED" it, my first deliberate Trip was a clear-light and I accidentally had way to much, I had a normal dose for an experienced tripper and waited 30 Min's but nothing happened so I doubled it, within minutes the first lot came on and I lost it, REALLY BAD. After that I must have been spiked LSD about a dozen times before I was finally able to not FREAK OUT the whole time.

Since it is obvious to anyone who has had acid there is something one can learn from them, I spent years trying to master them. Eventually I got the idea of trying super small doses at the ridicule of my friends. My first attempt was 1/32 of a paper trip and let me assure you, NOTHING HAPPENED:discodance:, next was a 1/16 of the same batch and so on till I found my threshold, it was at that threshold dosage where I found myself in a position to Master the experience as I was able to either let go and enjoy the ride or pull back and get a grip.

Really I don't mean to Pee in my own pocket as it's getting quite full now:pirate:, the point is to reinforce what my Old Friend Yageman said as, if you look at the distance I traveled it's fair to say a psychedelic mind CAN go a LONG way. I went from being totally incapacitated by Marijuana, mushrooms and LSD to being able to take a Psychedelic, stay positive no matter what I am going through and get something of very real and valuable benefit from it.(p.s. I think Marijuana is crap these days though:crazy2:)


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504629 - 12/27/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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But now I shall address this notion because I do have opinion on the matter to share. And it is controversial.

Personally, I think that some people are worth more to me than others. This is how humans think. This is the basis of 'groups' and more primarily, of 'family'. even of 'self'. The notion of 'everyone being worth the same' does not have to do with how we individually value eachother, or else we would see that NO ONE upholds this value system. However as humans we realise that there are a set of assertions that we declare as a social agreement. They are put in place so that as a whole we function on a similar set of goals, instead of each man valuing the world on his own terms. IT is a matter of bureaucracy and sheer pragmatics that we have created the notion of everyone being worth the same. IT is an ideal.

It is not real because I know that people a) value themselves over others in general. b) value their family over other families, in general, and c)value their groups over other groups, in general. Moreso, people openly value babies more than old people, and depending on the situation, people value women&children over men, or vice versa. These are in many instances the SAME people who also uphold the bureaucracy of 'equal rights'.

There are absolutely no outright 'rights' in this world. We only earn 'privelages', by submitting somehow. We are protected by our human rights by being in our society. Being in our society, however, is dependent on our work and money. No one gets in for free. Its not like the lower class (who dont give lots of money and work to social cogs) have rights... many live in poverty and the law could care less about them.
But the ideal remains.. and I think it probably is a good ideal, because no one really has the ability to properly assign 'value' to eachother, without first knowing everyone in every way. So they may as well outsource their values to the only reasonable 'ideal that fits all' - equality.

If someone was a true 'equalist' (as oposed to a bureaucratic equalist) they would barely ever do anything for themselves because they would realise that everyone else is just as special and they can actually help two other people by being selfless more than they can help just themselves by being selfish. Thus they have ended up helping two people survive instead of one, and if every life is equal then this is the only reasonable thing to do.




wow you pull off pseudo intelligence just about as hard as anyone ever.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9504749 - 12/27/08 11:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what the hell is pseudo intelligence? Unless there is an error in some sort of reasonsing I made then it cant be anything other than real intelligence... For some reason very few people go so far as to find flaws in my arguments. Which dissapoints me as it is the only reason I spend the time to write them.
So.. where is the 'pseudo' element?
or alternatively, what sort of thing is missing that would make such an argument trully an act of 'intelligence'?


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504784 - 12/27/08 11:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:dudewtf:  :peterpan:

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504795 - 12/27/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

1+2= fag

just let it go man...........

People are mean on the internet.

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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: yageman]
    #9504854 - 12/27/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I care about the people who disagree with me because it is only through disagreement that people can find the flaws for their arguments. Only by knowing the flaws in your arguments can you further your arguments.
When people are criticising me I try not to engage too much with the people who agree with me, in order to avoid 'group' judgements and prejudices occuring. Such group dynamics are the enemy of reason, for they incite anger, which automatically reduces someone's ability to reason with another person's argument.
that.. and the fact that I dont have much to add when people agree.. its not like people ask me many questions around here.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9504979 - 12/28/08 12:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I can understand that.

I was just fucking around.  I for one actually like your weird threads.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9505027 - 12/28/08 12:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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what the hell is pseudo intelligence? Unless there is an error in some sort of reasonsing I made then it cant be anything other than real intelligence... For some reason very few people go so far as to find flaws in my arguments. Which dissapoints me as it is the only reason I spend the time to write them.
So.. where is the 'pseudo' element?
or alternatively, what sort of thing is missing that would make such an argument trully an act of 'intelligence'?




you aren't intelligent as is painfully apparent from 10+ of your posts ive read this week and the fact that you made this thread after taking TWO blotters. so you make easily made points you think are controversial and a revelation to the human thought process(like the one i quoted above about people being equal) when really i got bored half way through the post because yeah dude, of fucking course all people aren't equal.

so you compensate by being overly verbose and saying things like "now I shall address this notion." uugggh. thats what i mean by pseudo intelligent.k?


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9505042 - 12/28/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

either that or your intelligence is masked by terminal naivety and arrogance. either way its a bummer.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9505073 - 12/28/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

There is no compensation in being overly verbose... if you have ever read any of the things our society considers to be highly significant/academic/new intelligence, you will find that almost all of it is 'overly wordy' and that such writings point out even the most obvious of things at times. Being 'overly' verbose simply means to not leave aspects of a communication out. Normally, we leave most information out because we are talking about things we all agree about. It would be pointless to include extra information that you all agree about. But when adressing topics that people might not have the same assumptions about, one must take extra lengths to avoid making un-exclaimed assumptions.

Sure, you may think that I am merely using such words without any underlying substance.. well I find it hard to see how you can claim to judge the substance of a post when you do not even read it...


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: mindfudged1134]
    #9505078 - 12/28/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

you cant really be called an asshole for telling the truth.

This will always be true.

Unless you are a huge asshole about it.

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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9505552 - 12/28/08 03:02 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

There are plenty of folks with lots of experience with acid, and many of them will just throw their hands in the air and say, 'good luck' if you're about to take a high dose. Maybe they have the experience to think that 'master' and 'trip' are incompatible terms. 

I think that with this substance, if taken enough, you can gain some proficiency at navigating its twists and turns, but it's not an art or science, like Psychology or Mathematics.

There are always things that will come up and surprise you, and people who have taken high doses will tell you this.  Listen to them.  They are the tripmasters. 

It's good to try to help people out, but the term 'tripmaster' is so funny to so many people here simply because some of them have taken very high doses.  Even with the right preparations, set, setting, etc, weird and humbling stuff will happen.  Often it's ecstatic though, but humbling and ecstatic are not at odds.

'All I know is that I don't know nothing, Be here now.'

OP, have you ever had any embarrassing experiences on acid?  How did you deal with misunderstandings that have arisen, if any?

edit: spelling error, probably made a few more that I missed

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9505739 - 12/28/08 04:20 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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There is no compensation in being overly verbose... if you have ever read any of the things our society considers to be highly significant/academic/new intelligence, you will find that almost all of it is 'overly wordy' and that such writings point out even the most obvious of things at times. 




Yeah, it's kinda like in "The doors of Perception" where Huxley talks about his pants fabric for like three straight pages...


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #9505890 - 12/28/08 05:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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There are plenty of folks with lots of experience with acid, and many of them will just throw their hands in the air and say, 'good luck' if you're about to take a high dose. Maybe they have the experience to think that 'master' and 'trip' are incompatible terms. 

I think that with this substance, if taken enough, you can gain some proficiency at navigating its twists and turns, but it's not an art or science, like Psychology or Mathematics.

There are always things that will come up and surprise you, and people who have taken high doses will tell you this.  Listen to them.  They are the tripmasters. 

It's good to try to help people out, but the term 'tripmaster' is so funny to so many people here simply because some of them have taken very high doses.  Even with the right preparations, set, setting, etc, weird and humbling stuff will happen.  Often it's ecstatic though, but humbling and ecstatic are not at odds.

'All I know is that I don't know nothing, Be here now.'

OP, have you ever had any embarrassing experiences on acid?  How did you deal with misunderstandings that have arisen, if any?

edit: spelling error, probably made a few more that I missed




what sort of embarassing experiences? I find lots of stuff becomes a misunderstanding or embarrassment on acid.. even when no one is actually thinking about me at all. But.. I have a feeling you might mean something like where I found myself naked on the street outside some party or something and no I have not been in that situation.

As for the art/science thing, that would be way off the mark when it comes to being a Tripmaster.

ps. If you cringe at the word Tripmaster, perhaps it would be better for you to think not of a master but just of a sort of experienced person. If it makes you annoyed that I talk about being a Tripmaster, just opine that I am not a Tripmaster yet and be silently smug that I will be put in my place.


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9505992 - 12/28/08 06:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Nope, embarassing like bumming cigarattes off people all night even though you don't smoke, dancing on people's feet without noticing until they protest, and ordering drinks at a bar without being able to figure out how to pay for them when someone kindly bails you out (even thought you have lots of cash in your wallet).

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #9506193 - 12/28/08 07:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

that sort of stuff? umm.. thats not really an issue for me. I embarrass ppl & myself all the time, i have many ways of handling it or just dealing with it. On acid it doesnt get any better... which is why I would not take 10 tabs in the local pub. But on my more recent trips, ive got this amazing sensation of power.. not like.. 'im powerful'.. its more like, Im at the top of my game.. and its not just the effect of the drug because it can do the oposite. It is a way I become when I am on the drug. It is something i 'get into'. sort of like how you can get into a jibe and go with a rhythm. Well Ive been able to just do that and so ive been able to totally escape worry on acid. not fear. i cant escape fear. But without worry, fear pops up and goes away. worry keeps me fearing about something..

Now, the reason I had the feeling that day that I was becoming a tripmaster was because, this effect of being able to take everything in my stride and to stop getting caught up in 'loops'.. this 'stance' of being full of my own energy and confidence.. throughout the grotesque as well a the beutiful veils that wrap around all perspectives... IT seemed to be stronger, the stronger the trip.
This feeling isnt like 'i can control my trip'. its more like.. 'i understand the 'dimensions' of the trip' so although totally freaky and unespeccted stuff could come from any direction.. I am prepared with the 'dimensions' of the trip... and the stonger the trip gets.. it simply gets more or les intense like anything.. but with the 'dimensions' (seeing.. where apparitions are coming from.. how 'important' their meaning is...being comfortable with all the ways the universe can be 'weird' and not being tangled up in questions or worry about it all when it gets truly mystifying, etc) of the trip in place I have an way of dealing with it all.

the stronger my trips have got since ive started to come to grips with it all.. well as they get stronger, more things start to move in these new sorts of dimensions... and more and more stuff starts shifting in these new dimensions of thought.. but there is not an infinite number of dimensions. There is a lot of infinity.. a lot of that sensation. But the effect of the drug is the effect of the drug and it may open my eyes to infinity but not in an infinite number of ways...

perhaps this is the sort of interpretation that I have which might change when i take a highhigh dose

But so far.. every time my recent trips have got negative ive let go and the negativity has waned and this feeling of the triviality of such negativity sort of glows out of me and promotes positivity in the trip.

and i sort of sometimes fight negative aparitions.. now i dont mean in the sense of 'block out'. i mean in the sense of 'spar with agression' and ive found it has worked pretty well. things can seem scary but if I start growling at them or trying to be equally scary i realise that whether or not this thing or mixture of creaturelike qualities is real, all that is happening is that we are expressing 'scary' images to eachother... its like everything has become funny.. understandable.. because the only things I really have to fear are large heights.. thugs..wild animals.. and police... in my earlier trips I got really caught up in the way that heaps of my 'defense mechanisms' would flare up or loop into eachother.
But in my second trip a friend told me something, he said 'this trip is your trip and no one elses'. And I realised when i contemplated this on following trips that this really meant a lot. A lot of the time in a trip we can get really caught up in the expectations that people have and the way that this plays with our mind and our insecurities. But.. if you are tripping.. well damn you should not be expected to 'play' the 'game'. Tripping time is your own unique time and as long as you do not make life bad for other people.. then you can be however you want.

this helped a lot.. i realised that the biggest fears that humans actually feel are embarrassment. The biggest fears people have are of society's opinion of them.


and over some more trips (one or two tabs these are all about. a couple are shrooms with different dose) I noticed that Yes indeed so many fears pop out that have nothing to do with my survival.. i mean.. if i can survive til the end of the trip.. thats all that really matters. After that I can just apologise for any misconcieved social notions.

and survival is actually really easy. all you have to really care about are other mammals.. and they are really intimidated by confidence.. and by other mammals that dont have any worries or fears... so it all works out pretty well.. so far ive been able to avoid any uncomfortable social interactions with strangers by simply calling everyones bluff and acting as if everything is OK.

and beyond Actual threats.. all other negative experiences are like a bad taste.. they feel bad but they dont imply any danger to my body and they go away pretty quickly.

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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9506569 - 12/28/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think this thread has gotten so long and angry because anyone who has any kind of experience with psychedelics (aka "tripmasters") can't help but laugh at the idea that you'd be ready for anything because you've had a few positive trips on two hits of acid.

You will be surprised. No matter how "masterful" your several two-hit trips have made you feel, you will be surprised, even shocked at some point if you continue your experimentation. You'd like to make this thread about you; you'd like to say that the people who scoff do so because of your ostentatious honesty. The fact is that we scoff because we can see the psychosis coming.


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    #9506601 - 12/28/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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    #9506614 - 12/28/08 10:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Find a better dealer. :yesnod:


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    #9506627 - 12/28/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I might like to add that anyone who thinks the idea of a Tripmaster is absolute bollocks is very unlikely to have given a go at trying to understand the trip enough to 'master' it. If such a person has never tried, then it would be unlikely that they would have actually become, and if they had not actually become trip masters then it is very understandable if they experience psychotic trips at high doses :wink:


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9506664 - 12/28/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I just noticed from another thread that you are currently pissed.

I'm sorry I ever took your posts seriously, man. It was a big mistake on my part. Maybe you should just settle down and watch Zeitgeist again rather than tell me what acid is like.


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    #9506668 - 12/28/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I might like to add that anyone who thinks the idea of a Tripmaster is absolute bollocks is very unlikely to have given a go at trying to understand the trip enough to 'master' it. If such a person has never tried, then it would be unlikely that they would have actually become, and if they had not actually become trip masters then it is very understandable if they experience psychotic trips at high doses :wink:




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    #9506674 - 12/28/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I might like to add that anyone who thinks the idea of a Tripmaster is absolute bollocks is very unlikely to have given a go at trying to understand the trip enough to 'master' it.




You're saying this with an admittedly profound lack of experience.  There are plenty of people here who have taken tens or hundreds (and maybe even into the thousands) of psychedelic drug trips.  The point that many of the experienced posters are trying to make is that psychedelic drugs can still surprise you.  No matter how confident you are that you can handle an experience and how comfortable you are with a drug's effect, they always have a potential to turn their effects against you in very profoundly upsetting and disturbing ways.  The idea of a "tripmaster" seems like bollocks to experienced people because many experienced people have decided that in many ways, trying to master a trip is like trying to master the universe around you: there are some situations which you simply don't have complete control over and those situations can be very threatening, upsetting or disturbing.  Sometimes the closest one can come to mastering a situation is to try remaining as calm as possible and waiting for it to end or trying to gain a little perspective on an overwhelming experience.

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If such a person has never tried, then it would be unlikely that they would have actually become, and if they had not actually become trip masters then it is very understandable if they experience psychotic trips at high doses :wink:




You're full of shit.  If someone hasn't tried to achieve some imaginary title of tripmaster, that doesn't matter if they've still put in the experiences.  Whether or not a high dose produces a psychotic experience isn't a matter of being a tripmaster or not.  Psychedelic drugs alter your perception and high doses can cause very complex and integrated delusions, illusions and hallucinations.  You can't override the effects of a drug based on will power.  If reality starts breaking down around you and your loss of contact with reality becomes severe, then whether or not you start believing the oddball thoughts in your head isn't a matter of mastery.


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    #9506676 - 12/28/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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    #9506692 - 12/28/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Having fun? :lol:



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    #9506697 - 12/28/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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There is no compensation in being overly verbose... if you have ever read any of the things our society considers to be highly significant/academic/new intelligence, you will find that almost all of it is 'overly wordy' and that such writings point out even the most obvious of things at times. 




Yeah, it's kinda like in "The doors of Perception" where Huxley talks about his pants fabric for like three straight pages...




uuhhh yeah.... it's TOTALLY just like aldous huxley. ugh.


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    #9506743 - 12/28/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What you say makes sense Plasmid. However, If someone tried to be a tripmaster and failed then I would imagine that they would understand the idea and simply say no it doesnt end up working, because so and so might happen. I agree that post was full of shit, but it is still logical shit in my opinion. Its basically a truism though.

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    #9507230 - 12/28/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Have you tried any other entheogens at high doses whatsoever?  I guarantee that if LSD isn't kicking your ass properly, then either shrooms, Amanitas, HBWR seeds, morning glories, Salvia, ayahuasca, Datura, DXM, Ketamine, MDMA, N2O, or any combination thereof will.

Tripmaster only applies if you're capable of mastering any trip.  I have to agree with you on general principle that some people are better at handling trips than others, but this in no way guarantees or predicts total invulnerability; something that the word tripmaster implies.  I'm even less likely to put you into the category of an experienced psychonaut not only considering that you haven't even taken a high dose of LSD, but taking into account the testimonial of people on this message board far more experienced than you who have clearly stated that they felt the same invincibility at one time and then realized that a chemical can profoundly fuck you sideways when you're least expecting it.

Edit: I do have to give you props for reacting rationally and intelligently to the slew of angry posts on here, but at least try to realize that a lot of people on here have been doing this a lot longer than you have.


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    #9508686 - 12/28/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You can master looking into yourself.

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    #9509175 - 12/28/08 08:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What is a trip? What does tripping mean?


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Re: become a tripmaster? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9509256 - 12/28/08 08:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Son son son son son son son son......................I wish I had verbal knowledge to say the right words to make you understand.

You will understand more as you age,wine/life ,both cure well with age and become better.
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    #9509380 - 12/28/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Edit: I do have to give you props for reacting rationally and intelligently to the slew of angry posts on here, but at least try to realize that a lot of people on here have been doing this a lot longer than you have.




I know man...
It is not like I live as if I am invincible..
and I dont consider the tripmaster to be trully invulnerable anyway (just like the jungle master).

But across the years ive heard plenty of people say stuff about psychedelics. Plenty of experienced people!

- and in these matters, having experience of failure doesnt automatically make someone wise about success (or the potential of it).

Ive descovered this by seeing that plenty of (most even) adults in their 30's or 40's have a lot for conceptions of what is possible in life simply based on their own shortcomings. They like to say 'you cant do this' or 'that cant be done' or 'OK good luck junior'.. about things that people have done before.. in fact people have done such wilder things than most people comprehend.

I see most older people and they are still bumbling about in life being cynical about the things they never managed.

ive met experienced trippers

who still talk about different 'types' of acid...

It is the standard way of older/more experienced people to act - be cynical about the potential of the next generation.

almost anyone who strives for something greater than their elders is met with scoff.

this does NOT mean that simply being scoffed implies that I am doing something great or something. no no that would be stupid reasoning.

however what it does mean is that a response that goes 'well ive never been able to manage that.. and I dont even know what that is' is totally vacuous in terms of a 'report from experience'.

I mean, no one here has even stopped to think about which elements of the trip can be mastered and which cant? doesnt that strike anyone as suspicious? or what about: which levels of trip can have a master and which cant?

Maybe this suggests to you that the idea is yes in fact a b.s. idea. that would not be unreasonable.

Though this concept is one that I have sort of heard of since I started looking into psychedelics.. the way they have effects on our mind and a user with the right direction can direct these effects and avoid the negatives of a trip.
And over the years there will be people popping up talking about crazy things they did and the way that theyve been able to relinquish themselves from the 'grip', without fighting it or avoiding it, but merely by learning its flow and going with it... its basically like Tai Chi.
And when I eventually started tripping and getting to kow the effects I started to try and do this.
And so far ive discovered a lot about the way teh trip comes out of me and my thoughts and actions. And I see this discovery continuing.

A Tripmaster can even be a relative term.. eg simply seeking/having a greater affinity with your trip-universe and 'trip-posture' than the people you see around you

However anyone who totally denies the very concept of tripmaster/being able to in any way have a significantly better grasp on the trip than the rest of your peers...
well such a person could not be expected to ever have got involved in such a mode of thought..

but if someone has had these thoughts and experienced this feeling and then had a wave dumped on them, and want to talk about it, then thats coo. And some have. and thats coo. But im figured people would have more to say than ' my first few trips were sweet and I thought it all covered.. and then I had a big trip and I was totally freaked out'
My life has changed significantly due to my having to deal with issues that have surfaced from trips. i havnt had purely flowery trips.. i also havnt had horror trips. But ive dealt with a lot of issues, and ive dealt with seeing my life and everythign ive worked for blow away like sand.. and ive dealt with teh idea that everything ive believed about myself and who I am is an illusion to myself.. and ive dealt with the idea that everyone has stopped having any faith in me.. ive dealt with realising what I am trully afraid of in life and what I trully want, even if these things are very different to my conscious standpoint on the matter.
IVe never had to deal with honestly believing that I was physically dead though. I dont understand that notion (of dying.. and being in some afterlife.. or something) at all and I understand that this is something that could potentially be the end of my 'pride'.

This thread has been rather successful overall. Ive descovered that no one, save a couple, think that it is possible to know how the trip works well enough to be able to get through any tough moment without breaking.

Ive descovered that barely anyone can even consider the idea of having a level of 'mastery' over tripping, at any level.

and Ive learned yet again that people never like to encourage people to do things they themself have failed.

and ive learned quite plainly that most people here simply think that acid is untameable. Like the ocean.. or something.

That said, im the naive one here who is speculating, and im the one who will get hurt in the end.

funny that people have to be so passionate about telling me that..

Ill get back to you  guys when I take a bigger dose. One last thing I would like to know is:

What If I do end up taking 10 hits and having the time of my life?

who will say 'ok take 20 you little shit'.. who will say 'beginners luck.. eventually it always bites your ass' and WHO will actually be interested in this idea of Tripmaster thereafter?


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9509546 - 12/28/08 09:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

OK........I NOW GRANT YOU TRIPMASTER STATUS.......now what....?

Do you think anybody will feel different about your ideas......?
Do you think it makes any difference to those who dont trip...?
Do you think you will earn you more money....?
Do you think it will keep you out of jail.....?
Do you think it makes you better than the person who is not a TRIPMASTER.......?
Do you think you will be a better person than those who "dont know".....?
Do you think that _____________________________________?





What exactly is your goal for this TRIPMASTER persona......?


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: unretarded]
    #9509614 - 12/28/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

wtf bro?
what do any of those question have to do with anything?????

as if I am talking about all this for some ALTERIOR SELFISH MOTIVE???

'stop projecting' is what theyd say

stop looking at life as if words are an acheivement or that 'being something' is what life is about.

the point of the tripmaster is to have really brilliant trips and to help other people have teh same thing
it is to become an enpowered individual and to be able to open your horizons and find more in the world

thats why it doesnt even matter if tripmaster is a totality or a relativity..

its all just the notion that one can enpower themselves by being open to learning and descovery, by learning emotional maturity and security.

just like the rest of life

its not this bullshit idea of 'becoming qualified' or 'gaining a status' which gives you some sort of unquestioned respect from peers. its none of this CRAP that fills up modern consumerist commercial globalised society whereby people judge themselves by the 'terms' that the rest of society gives to them.

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    #9509696 - 12/28/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Do think that LSD won't be able to kick your ass?

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    #9509786 - 12/28/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Apparently he is not open to questions that are not on the "APPROVED" list.....:shrug:


  I am going to let you put me into one of those catagories that "SOCIETY" has given to you.



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    #9510009 - 12/28/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I didnt answer those questions because they do not have answers. I do not relate being a 'tripmaster' to any of the things you associated with it there. So I cannot say that I think it will or will not help me earn more money. I dont see how it could possibly influence my chances of going to jail or anything like that.

As for having people care more about my ideas, well actually I think that when you trip with other people, and they realize that you are above a lot of the toils that they are troubled with, but still recognise exactly what they are going through, they do look up with a level of respect.
thats the same as being good at anything.

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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9510239 - 12/28/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You are dreaming if you think you're in control.

One thing I've learnt is that there is a very fine line between total control and a lack of it. And in that LSD state of mind you can just let it slip away. Just that one neuron misfiring or whatever it is, sending you into a psychotic state.

You can and can't master your trips, it's a difficult thing to explain. When you're in control you have to actively maintain control. The second you get complacent, bam, you're gone. And everyone gets complacent, no exceptions. You might think you're a hard nut now but when you dose yourself into a seizure and run around naked on the motorway, don't come crying back to the interwebs. There is a certain point where your brain decides to give up, even if "you" the ego can still handle more.

Then there's also the matter of how much contact with reality you have. In my experience psychedelics take control by first stripping away contact with reality then fucking you up the arse. And in general you can't hold onto reality when your receptors are being pounded freakishly hard. Don't push yourself into psychosis.

It's also profoundly ironic that you can fluff your ego so hard with a drug that utterly disintegrates it.

When you say you sit by and watch people face lesser issues that you can relate to, that's to be expected. Everyone has a different threshold for psychedelic head pounding and it depends how successfully you've responded to trauma previously in your life and also how much trauma you have gone through. To be honest you sound like a middle class kid who's delved into psychedelics, correct me if I am wrong. Just remember that even though there are people who break earlier than you, you also have a breaking point.

If you think you are such a hard fucker, then drop the LSD. It's fluffy bollocks. Take on a full time salvia habit, I dare you. Let that reverse tolerance hit its peak.

It's honestly just a matter of the "bad trip" switch being on or off in your head. From what I gather of your posts you just want to become a shaman of sorts anyway. That's far removed from any idealised "tripmaster", the latter isn't happening, simple as. If you can deal with the hypnagogic and hypnopompic states well and milk them to their worth then you're not too far away. Those states of mind usually have the foundations of a bad trip in place.


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    #9510431 - 12/29/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: PreyToGod]
    #9510672 - 12/29/08 01:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Nice response, crkhd.

I might like to point out that the 'ego' of 'ego dissolution' is rather different to the 'ego' of 'inflated ego'.

Id also like to point out the lack of horror stories that people have expressed but thats OK we all know how hard it is to describe trips


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9510719 - 12/29/08 01:19 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Why DO you want to be a "tripmaster?" Do you want to be a shaman? Or do you just want to be able to take psychedelic drugs without anxiety?


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9510770 - 12/29/08 01:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

...I like to do lots of things with my life

Im not a 'spiritual man' eg communicating with spirits and stuff so I would never say I want to be a shaman.

why would you not want to be a 'master' at anything?
I mean I can understand not caring or not wanting to try, but i've never really met someone who thinks it is unhelpful to be master of your domain

just people who dont think its such a big deal

.  I think it is a big deal because I thoroughly enjoy psychedelics, they are almost the pinnacle of all my experiences.. and I want to make them part of my life.
that doesnt mean just doing them
but doing them and then developing in the way that I do them


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9510798 - 12/29/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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that doesnt mean just doing them
but doing them and then developing in the way that I do them




Fair enough. I think that's what most of us here on the Shroomery are doing, trying to maximize our experiences with the drugs that make our lives so much more intense. This isn't just about what drugs you take and how much of them you take, but like you say also about how you use them.

The backlash here is easy to understand: like life, you can't really predict what's around the corner with psychedelics. I felt like a master because I had taken LSD 90 times with never a bad trip; but I ended up surprised by the way it affected my sober life. It was not something I was able to predict, no matter how adept I was at "handling myself" while tripping.


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9510932 - 12/29/08 02:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, lots of people on this site have experienced so much for so long that this 'tripmaster' concept is a bit comical.  That said, it's clearly a hot topic. 

I agreed earlier, at the op's request, to be quiet on the subject, (not sure why I was asked to not post), but I have a few more questions for the original poster:

1) If one wishes to become a tripmaster, what should one do?  Surely there are thousands of people who can meet the modest aims you've laid out, but how can one conjure the necessary narcissism to want to embrace the role of 'Tripmaster'?

2) Is it possible that abandoning the 'tripmaster' term, which seems exceedingly difficult to coin on this site (maybe try to coin it on hipforums) is a good way to disarm naysayers?

3) If someone has taken 25-plus doses at a time and still not had a 'bad' trip, and over several hundred different trips on acid alone, would you be surprised that they think this is all a bit arrogant? 

4) How do you feel about people who have already turned on lots of people, led them through difficult experiences, and still can view the unexperienced with tenderness and no condescension?  What if they would laugh at the label (then give you a little hug) if you tried to call them a 'tripmaster'?

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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #9511085 - 12/29/08 04:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I just don't think it's possible to "master" something like the psychedelic experience. There is no way to understand exactly what psychedelics do unless you have a complete understanding of the human brain, which receptors and neurons do what within the brain, which ones are affected by psychedelics - down to each and every one among tens of billions. You'd also have to perfectly understand what "consciousness" is. It's simply not possible for any human being alive today.

You may feel a sense of understanding for "what" the psychedelic experience is once you've had a few trips. This is not actually an understanding of the psychedelic experience, but an understanding of what you were thinking about when you tripped. It's completely personal. And since your brain is constantly changing and adapting, you'll never have a real bead on what happens when you put acid in it, nor will you have even a marginal understanding of what others experience beyond the look on their faces.


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9511141 - 12/29/08 05:54 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i love the socerer's apprentice story



initially the moves are so easy, you put on the hat and make the hand gestures and so the energy flows... everything is going so well...

and what about the heroic tales of oddyseus, and how eventually he too made it home.

is it not connected, the will to be master, and the taste of something greater?


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9511428 - 12/29/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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There is no way to understand exactly what psychedelics do unless you have a complete understanding of the human brain, which receptors and neurons do what within the brain, which ones are affected by psychedelics - down to each and every one among tens of billions. You'd also have to perfectly understand what "consciousness" is. It's simply not possible for any human being alive today.



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You may feel a sense of understanding for "what" the psychedelic experience is once you've had a few trips. This is not actually an understanding of the psychedelic experience, but an understanding of what you were thinking about when you tripped.



Well this is part of the notion that ive been inspired by.

I feel that I am seeing how the trip works.. the psychedelic experience... going beyond an awareness of what I am thinking about, and its content.. it is an awareness of how the warped reality springs forth from a reality that really I know is a very mundane, physical, human-designated world.

And lets just get the record straight - I realise that I am not a Tripmaster, and that it may not be possible (as I will surely find out if this is the case). But I still feel excited to be on the path.. its been rather fun so far!


ps. To the guy who thinks that I silenced him  - most likely a misunderstanding. perhaps you mistook a guideline for a rule?


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9512025 - 12/29/08 12:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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And over the years there will be people popping up talking about crazy things they did and the way that theyve been able to relinquish themselves from the 'grip', without fighting it or avoiding it, but merely by learning its flow and going with it... its basically like Tai Chi.




I know exactly what feeling you're talking about.  At some point, though, bending to the flow of a psychedelic trip can lead too far into pits of delusion.  I find one has to retain a modicum of a lingering rationality in the back of one's mind to evaluate any received psychedelic insights, and perhaps to guide away from pools of thought-loop negativity.  It's like a blend of the Yin with the Yang--too much forced control and the trip will slap you hard, but too little control and one loses the chance to play with the chemical as an equal.

I personally enjoy toeing the fine line between getting ridden hard by the trip and trying to master it.  Like a battle of two equals, the outcome is much more enjoyable than if you lay back and let the chemical do all the hard work.

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IVe never had to deal with honestly believing that I was physically dead though. I dont understand that notion (of dying.. and being in some afterlife.. or something) at all and I understand that this is something that could potentially be the end of my 'pride'.




I recommend Amanita Muscaria if you're interested in experiencing physical death and rebirth.


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    #9512146 - 12/29/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I recommend Amanita Muscaria if you're interested in experiencing physical death and rebirth.




Eh? Psychological death u mean? You can use a gun for real death and rebirth...


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: BlindLemon]
    #9512169 - 12/29/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Of course, but I've found Amanitas in particular offer the most realistic feeling of death that I've encountered on any entheogen.  Ego death through traditional serotonergic psychedelics pales in comparison.


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9512362 - 12/29/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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And lets just get the record straight - I realise that I am not a Tripmaster, and that it may not be possible (as I will surely find out if this is the case). But I still feel excited to be on the path.. its been rather fun so far!




I understand. I think most of us have felt this way before. Some of the more jaded among us just feel that this is essentially just a matter of chasing the dragon, but as long as you keep a level head and a good perspective there's nothing wrong with that.


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: deCypher]
    #9513226 - 12/29/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Of course, but I've found Amanitas in particular offer the most realistic feeling of death that I've encountered on any entheogen.




Now going from bad to worse - what are you comparing this "realistic feeling of death" to? Have you previously died and been reanimated?

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    #9513761 - 12/29/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

As a matter of fact, yes.  :snub:


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: deCypher]
    #9514780 - 12/29/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ask a stupid question... :lol:


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Re: Finally, on the notion of Tripmaster [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9515815 - 12/30/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey!  I was there when decyther died.... psychologically.  However i also snorted diacetylmorphine eaten 20mg hydrocodone aswell as dominate 12 beers and smoke some herb.:shrug:


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