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First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits;
    #9460609 - 12/19/08 06:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Folks, posted below is a picture of fruits spawning from the first successful grow attempt.  Unfortunately, there are very few mushrooms growing, and mostly from the very top of the BRF cake (does this indicate something?).  The smaller BRF cake pieces broke off their larger counterpart while attempting to get the cakes out of the jars after colonisation was achieved, which was not so easy.  Some blueing on the cakes resulted thereafter.  Anyways, comments and suggestions are welcome, however, I believe the following tweaks need to be made if indeed I have not succumb to impatience (day 6 in the fruiting chamber):
  • The temperature is likely near 18-20 degrees Celcius, that is approximately 64-68 degrees Fahrenheit.  It needs to be adjusted upwards.
  • The light source is a bulb which illuminates the entire closet nearly 3-4 feet away and upwards.  Perhaps a different lighting system needs to be brought closer, which would also improve and address the temperature issue.
  • The fruiting chamber may be too big for so few cakes(?), or perhaps some of the holes need to be patched up to improve the humidity content.






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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9460622 - 12/19/08 06:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, what's your humidity at?


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9460660 - 12/19/08 07:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well sounds like you already know what you need to do


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: grymmtymm]
    #9460703 - 12/19/08 07:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah there are things you can do to get better results but that is half of the fun of this little hobby of ours. Take a second though and look down at your shrooms and know that for the first time you have fruits where a lot of people go through the process only to wiped out by contaminates or never even get as far as seeing mycelium growth.

Keep tweeking it until you find what will work the best with the setup that you have and space that you have.


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: Basement Boy]
    #9461303 - 12/19/08 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Guys, thanks for the responses.  Could anyone suggest a reason why the fruits are growing near the top of the cakes and in isolated areas rather than homogeneously throughout the cake?

AlCapwn, I went out and bought a hygrometer (non-digital) and it's reading 100%.  This was a surprise to me granted it does not feel that humid, therefore I am rather suspicious of the device I purchased (it was only 3$).  The hygrometer is sitting on the perlite but perhaps I should place it on the side of the container.  Temperature wise, at the level of the perlite it is around 20.6 degrees Celcius, which is about ~69-70 degrees Fahrenheit.  I have read anywhere between 72-75 degree Fahrenheit is optimal?  Adding a light fixture should help here but perhaps I should buy a nice set of bulbs from a pet store rather than jury rig something.

grymmtymm, ok great. 

basement boy, the optimist (you) seeing the cup half full rather than the pessimist (me) seeing it half empty ;-)  You are right, but I would like to get more fruits!

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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9461470 - 12/19/08 10:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Raise the meter up off the bottom a bit so you get a more accurate read. For light you can maybe get a small 16" or 18" under cabinet florescent tube just try to get something in the daylight range.


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: Basement Boy]
    #9463998 - 12/19/08 07:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ok great.  An additional follow-up question, as one can note in the above picture, the large one will likely mature beyond the veil breaking stage by tomorrow morning.  Should I then pick it and leave the others until they too have reached the veil breaking stage, and then move ahead and dunk that cake overnight in distilled water, roll, and place it back in the FC?  Or should I simply leave the large one until the others have reached the appropriate veil breaking stage aswell.  Could you guys also give some advice on how to remove the mushrooms from the cake with ... the utmost tenderness.

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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9464086 - 12/19/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can pick the large one earlier if you want, or you can pick them all at the same time. Opinions vary on the better procedure.


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: dead]
    #9465724 - 12/20/08 05:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dead, as expected the veil did indeed break on the large mushroom sometime throughout the evening (see picture below).  One can observe, however, that there are a few new pinners just beginning on one of the other cakes.  If it has taken about 5-8 days for the mushroom to reach maturity, then, will this mushroom whose veil has broken not deplete vital nutrients from the cake during this time without any gain to the psychedelic user?  Or does the mushroom continue to grow in size after its veil has broken?  It was my understanding that, in actuality, the optimal time for picking is just before the veil does indeed break. 



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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9466055 - 12/20/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if you let it go it will begin to drop spores and then you'll have that mess. I would pick that one and leave the rest for a bit but I am still pretty new myself.


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: Basement Boy]
    #9466921 - 12/20/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah pick it before it drops spores. You don't want spores in your FC or on your cakes.


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: dead]
    #9471606 - 12/21/08 08:05 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Hi Folks, two quick questions: firstly, could you elaborate on why it would not be beneficial to have the spores land on the cakes, is it simply a matter of a mess and aestetics, or is growth during the next flush hampered in some way? Secondly, one can note that the stalks exhibit significant girth, is this conducive to a lack of fanning, too much moisture, or something else?

Lastly, I picked a few of the mushrooms although it nearly broke my heart (picture below). A rather unpleasant experience! From the first flush there are likely to be 6-10 mushrooms of order the size of a lighter.  Clearly, there is much room for improvement after this first iteration.




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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9471628 - 12/21/08 08:11 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Growing them out to that point, you're creating a spore mess - and you're also putting more demand on your substrate, forcing the shrooms to continue growing after veil breaks.  If you pick right before or after the veil breaks, you have more "gas in the tank" for your next flush, ya kno?  You're only gonna get so many grams outta your substrate, so IMO it's beneficial to pick them at that point.  And also, shrooms are said to be at the highest potency % right before the veil breaks - after that you're just mainly adding water-weight.  All shrooms in Amsterdam are picked and sold before the veil even begins to break - cuz they know about the potency, and also about getting more in the later flushes.

In the last flush you plan on growing, there's no problems at all growing em out to the max for printing or whatever - cuz there's no worries about the spore mess or your later flushes.

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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9471663 - 12/21/08 08:23 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

i dont think there will be enough nutrients to grow

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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: dd12783]
    #9471691 - 12/21/08 08:30 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

When spores fall on substrate it hinders growth. IME fruits don't grow on the surface that is covered in spores.


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: dead]
    #9536368 - 01/03/09 06:18 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Hi Folks, I just wanted to give you an update on the second flush.  It seems now that I got the lighting correct, the amount of fruits, at least on one cake, has nearly tripled.  I have yet to improve the termpature situation to the required level, however.






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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9536379 - 01/03/09 06:23 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

That looks decent. Don't forget to print a few of those suckers.


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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9536420 - 01/03/09 06:43 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Hi GK, if all the cakes yield flushes like that cake, I would be rather satisfied.  By the way, could you recommend a simple solution to the temperature issue?  Perhaps a lizard heating pad placed at the bottom of the perlite within the fruiting chamber?  For the incubation chamber, optimal temperatures were achieved by placing an acquarium heater and water in one container, and then placing yet another similar sized container on top of this which acts as the incubation chamber.  This could be done for the fruiting chamber but it would require some additional jury rigging, moreover, I suspect dropping a lizard heating pad at the bottom would be rather straightforward.  However, I am unsure if one can adjust the temperature of a lizard heating pad with similar ease?

Any advice is welcome.

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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #9536463 - 01/03/09 07:02 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Hydor Hydrokable Undergravel Heat Cable 19' 50 Watt 16/35 gal

It's used on reptiles and amphibians, so it works on mushrooms, too. I use them with very good results.
Some people will say to avoid direct heat inside your FC, but these cables are designed for gentle heating and you avoid a costly external oil heater or similar that has to heat the whole room wasting loads of energy unnecessarily and eating a hole in your pocket.
Simply hook it up to an external thermo timer that has a power socket that is activated when the heat drops below a certain temperature and turns off once it reaches the desired temp. It has a sensor on a cable that you place into your FC. Bury the cable in the perlite and make sure that the perlite stays moist. This will also add RH to your setup.
Don't get a 50 watts one, though. 20W-25W should be sufficient. I use a 15W one buried in (unmoistened) geolite for my incubator and it keeps the temperature at 22°C in a 17°C room being turned on by a timer every 45 minutes for 15.


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    #9536645 - 01/03/09 08:05 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: Chunk6915]
    #9536790 - 01/03/09 08:56 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

GK: ok great, thanks.

Chunk6915: do lower temperatures only affect the growth rate, or does it also have an impact on the yield?  If it is simply the former, then I shall likely not proceed to increase the temperature.  Currently, I suspect the temperature is around 20-22 degrees with the heat generated by the light source.  By contrast it likely drops to 17-20 degrees during the night (when the light is off).  However, I suspect that the temperature has an effect on the humidity, which appears to have a direct correlation with yield.  Comments welcomed.

Another issue is that I currently do not have any holes at the bottom of the fruiting chamber.  Could someone again elaborate on the logic behind having holes in such a location?  I avoided them granted I suspected water may leak from the fruiting chamber owing to gravity.

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Re: First Grow, First Mushrooms ... Not Many Fruits; [Re: drama]
    #12587904 - 05/18/10 06:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely get that temp. up a bit

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