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Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans.
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Greetings everyone,

Here's the tea.  Gonna start a grow of Pan. Cyans. in a few weeks.  I read Ralphster's awesome TEK here at shroomery and understand the process very well.  I also found tonight over at The Hawks Eye website, another TEK for growing these beauties.  It's pretty much the same TEK but T.H.E. mentions that you should spawn compost for better results and then consider dung as your second option.

My question is this...I found the following composts online, all 100% organic...I'm just curious as to which one you, my peers, would suggest using for spawning.

First

Second

Third

Please only respond if you have experience growing Pans...Cyans of Trops.  :smile:

Thank you in advance for any advice and suggestions.

Love & Light,

Bop

PS - Do you think that these composts would be beneficial for spawning cubensis as well? 

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Boppity604]
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Straight manure will work better then any of those products!!!!

Compost you buy in stores is for Plants. It has already been broken down past the point you want to spawn with mushrooms. Most of these products will work, but yields will be drastically reduced, and they contaminate much faster then straight manure.

There are composts produced for plants, soil amendment. Then there are composts produced to grow mushrooms on. T.H.E is referring to compost produced for mushroom growing. Yields will be comparable to straight manure, when using this type of compost, maybe slightly higher.

Once your mushrooms have eaten the manure, or compost, it then becomes the compost you buy in stores. You can use it on your plants.

You can have success with the products you have listed, but it will be far better to just try and find some cow manure, or if you are gonna buy(mail order) try and locate some compost produced for growing mushrooms, not plants!!!

Horse manure works great as well.

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Boppity604]
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If you can't find manure, it's probably best to case colonized grain.


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: mickey_rourke]
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Grain produces extremely small mushrooms, but you got to do what you got to do!!!

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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yeah, i think fresh cow shit works the best - and its what nature intended for out copelandia friends


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Thank you everyone for the advice! Considering I have two neighbors who both have horses...guess I'll have to start knocking on some doors later today. hehe

Thanks again for the advice!!

Peace,

Bop

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Boppity604]
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For Panaeolus cyanescens I recommend either a mixture of straw and manure, or straw alone. Cased off course.


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Anno]
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would straw cased with straight verm work? yields?


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: comario2]
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Straw rocks....I dont use straight verm though...mix peat,verm and some lime....straw gives great yields!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: BlueJay]
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Straw contaminates ALOT easier then straight manure. I guess it depends where you live, and how clean your spawn production can be, i.e Flow hood.

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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What yields do you get from STRAW? per square foot of cropping surface!!!

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
    #951152 -

the greatest influence i've noticed, both in yeild and fruit size with straw is the depth of the substrate.
[edited for spelling]


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

Edited by concretefeet (10/10/02 08:05 PM)

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: canid]
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I am wondering What those yields are!!! Deeper substrate depths means more substrate per square foot cropping surface. Are your yields actually increased due to the Straw, or the increased quantity of substrate.

I have not seen any Pics of these LARGER pans that people relate to straw based substrates.

With straw I have run into serious contamination problems with the pans. Straw pasteurized in a single batch. Half going to a cubensis tray, and the other half going to a pan tray. The cubensis runs through it, and fruits, with no contamination. The pans run through it, but then contamination shows its ugly face.

I would assume my spawn is carrying the latent contaminant, but the same spawn innoculated into manure, DOES NOT CONTAMINATE!!

To me, it just isn't worth it I guess. Have had good SIZE and Yield with MANURE, minus the contamination problem.

Maybe the combination of manure and straw together might increase the success rate for _ _ !!!

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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>I have not seen any Pics of these LARGER pans that people relate to straw based substrates.

With my pans they tend to be bigger(larger, greater cap diameter) on straw or straw/dung mix than dung alone.
Spawned with millet on each occasion.


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Anno]
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Anno

Are you sterilizing or pasteurizing? :confused: 

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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Do you find the millet to be less prone to contamination then rye grain?

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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>Are you sterilizing or pasteurizing?
Sterilizing. Similar than Una?s tek at mushmush.

>Do you find the millet to be less prone to contamination then rye grain?
Yes, I?d say so.


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Anno]
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Thankyou!!!

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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teonan, first off, i was thinking more of cubies. i kinda spaced that particular detail(beer). i've never had much luck with pans.
second, the depth of the substrate doesn't effetc the square footafe. i think you are thinking of cubic footage. at any rate, i don't have any figures for you but i'm sure someone else does.
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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

Edited by concretefeet (10/12/02 12:49 AM)

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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{{{Straw contaminates ALOT easier then straight manure. I guess it depends where you live, and how clean your spawn production can be, i.e Flow hood. )))

I never have a prob with straw contaminating..Contamination comes for bigger spawn runs..I thought outside the box and put finely ground straw in pint jars..sterilize,,spores..case..fruit...on my 3rd generation straw based tropsabout to try some cyans from a respected friend...  :smile: :grin: :grin: Thanks big A



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Respect all, Fear None!
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Cacti are my new life.....

Edited by BlueJay (10/12/02 07:04 PM)

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: canid]
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Cropping surface is measured in square feet. The volume of substrate that makes up the casing within those square feet is measured in cubic feet!!!

Was just wondering if the increased yields within a given square foot was simply related to the increased volume of substrate that makes up the square feet of cropping surface, or if it was RELATED to straw versus manure!!!

Anno answered that the SIZE of his pans are increased with the Straw as opposed to manure. I still have yet to see any supersized Pans grown on any substrate. SOME strains of Pans produce large fruits on manure, but I guess these will be even larger on Straw compared to manure.

I find it easier to work with manure in volume then straw due to contamination resulting from the latter at an increased rate to manure. Maybe trying a different spawn substrate(millet as opposed to rye) and sterilizing straw in bags to incubate, instead of rubbermaids will increase my chances of succes.

Would love to increase the size of the cambodian strain of cyans and the "tropicalis" strain, because they produce SERIOUS pin sets compared to the rest of the Strains/species of potent pans!! The majority of the other strains produce nice caps on manure!!!

Thanks all.

Sorry this went off topic, to reinforce the point of the original thread topic. Composted products produced for plants are NOT the best substrate for mushroom growing.


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: ]
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Teonan, i guess i missread your post. i too would love to see some super-sized pans on straw.
and yes, sorry to bo OT.


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

Edited by concretefeet (10/13/02 01:00 AM)

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: canid]
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Wow...I didn't realize this thread would develop so well.  :smile:

Thanks for all the input folks...I'll hopefully have a successful first attempt at these critters.  :smile:  Now I have a question for anyone who grows this strain:  from the pictures I've seen...do these shrooms not have a veil?  Also, when is the optimal time to harvest them for both consumption and for prints?

As always, thank you in advance for any advice!

Love & Light,

Bop 

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Boppity604]
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No veil,,,Before they are fully flat,,my trops always drop some heavy loads and if they are not cut in time they darken all the caps in the terrium....


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Respect all, Fear None!
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Cacti are my new life.....

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: BlueJay]
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By the way I am running a gang valve and two lines in half the day air is pushed thru the water/h2o2/perlite..The other half the day the valve is closed and the other open to push fresh air(thru a new in line filter of course) and hold 70 to 80% humidity....Just some info...


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Cacti are my new life.....

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: Boppity604]
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pancyans dont have a veil, wait till the caps are near plane & starting to lighten in color before harvest, this is usually around a week after pinning, depending on temps, etc.

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: BlueJay]
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that's interesting. you finely grind the straw - how? blender? - and sterlize in jar with pc? then multispore inoculation? then?


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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: comario2]
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large trash can and a weed wacker!!!!! you can get it almost to a powder if you wished...just takes patienced..yes just as you wrote Comario..never had contam failure and yields are decent..usually around 3 g's dry per jar but hey there PANS!!!!!!!!SWEET LOVE O MINE...


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Respect all, Fear None!
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Cacti are my new life.....

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: BlueJay]
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The trick with the trash can is dont put more than eight inches of straw in the bottom..If you do it will bog down the weed wacker and not spin in the can right,,If you have it right you will have it spinning well and the string slamming the bottom but cutting the straw and making it swirl cutting every pass..There is very minimal loss over the sides if the right amount is used...I already figured out the learning curve guys.....


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Cacti are my new life.....

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Re: Organic Composts for Pan. Cyans. [Re: BlueJay]
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thank you, bluejay. 3gs dry per jar is quite respectable yield for pan cyans. as you say, they are pan cyans!


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