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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4497076 - 08/04/05 09:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

As Robert Spencer has demonstrated, rape can indeed be linked to Islamic teachings of Jihad, and even to the example of Muhammad himself, his Sunna. Above all, it is connected to Islamic notions of the role of women in society, and their behaviour in the public sphere. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are ?asking for rape.? Apparently, he isn?t the only Muslim in Europe to think this way:

The German journalist Udo Ulfkotte told in a recent interview that in Holland, you can now see examples of young, unveiled Moroccan women with a so-called ?smiley?. It means that the girl gets one side of her face cut up from mouth to ear, serving as a warning to other Muslim girls who should refuse to wear the veil. In the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France, 77 per cent of the veiled women carry veils reportedly because of fear of being harassed or molested by Islamic moral patrols.

Hijab, the Islamic veil, is thus not ?just a piece of cloth?. It serves as a demarcation line between proper, submissive Muslim women and whores, un-Islamic women who deserve no respect and are asking for rape. The veil should more properly be viewed as the uniform of a Totalitarian movement, and a signal to attack those outside the movement. Judged in the light of the Mufti who said that women who don?t wear it are asking for rape, how on earth can the veil be said to be about ?choice?? The freedom to choose not to be raped if you dress in a normal fashion in your own country? Is that what freedom is about in Europe in 2005?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4497137 - 08/04/05 09:48 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4498497 - 08/05/05 01:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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A) Do you have any numbers on percentages of Muslims who engage in, or condone rape, murder, pedophilia, etc...? You said: "Because Muhammed was a sexist, rapist, pedophile, and sadist, muslims in general are such." But that is not a logical assumption to make. You haven't provided any evidence that most Muslims actually think this way. You have made assumptions based on the contents of the Koran. I have known several Muslims in my life, and they have all behaved pretty much like all other humans. I have no reason to believe that any of them engaged in rape, murder, or pedophilia.

Your tactics are completely irrational. Why would you want to promote hatred towards all Muslims, when many people who consider themselves Muslim do not condone violence?

You can't entirely wipe out a religion, that is a completely unreasonable goal. You can, however, slowly adapt a group of people to peaceful thinking. You can do this by encouraging the members of the group who already promote peace to work within their community to spread their message.

Obviously no Muslim is going to listen to some guy who thinks that they're all evil. That guy is just going to make them angry, and help to foster the idea that they're being persecuted, further promoting violent thinking. Is that your goal?

Obviously you're opposed to violent Muslims... so what's the point in attacking all of them, making them all angry? Even a peaceful Muslim is going to think you're a dick, and will have absolutely no repect for your opinions. Your attitude is exactly the kind of thing that the violent Muslims look for to justify their actions.

B) Do you realize that in the past, pedophilia was far more common in many different cultures? Even a few hundred years ago, it was not uncommon for middle aged European men to marry twelve year old girls. It's only natural that people from ancient times are going to come up looking pretty evil if you judge them by the standards of today.

C) A quote from Mein Kampf:

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"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."




D) From the Bible:
http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=Numbers%2031:7-18&version=31;


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Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army?the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds?who returned from the battle.

15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.




So murdering nonvirgins, and kidnapping women to take for yourself is condoned in the bible, therefore doing this kind of thing does not make you a "false christian". You can go here: http://www.evilbible.com/ for all kinds of examples of weirdness in the bible. The bible advocates stoning women to death if they are unfaithful, yet you seem to consider Christians who practice such things "false Christians", while Muslims who practice the violent parts of their scripture are following things accurately.

However, many Christians interpret the bible much differently from its literal translation. Just like many Muslims interpret the Koran much differently from its literal translation. You seem to believe that the contents of the Koran are evidence that most Muslims follow it literally, but this is not the case. Many, many Muslims do not take it literally, and unless you can provide the results of a widespread survey or census on the number of Muslims who hold the literal beliefs outlined in the quotes you keep pasting, the details of what the quotes say are meaningless.

Look, here are a few things from the bible, advocating murdering all kinds of people:

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Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)




So why aren't the Christians who do not advocate the murder of adulterers, homosexuals, nonbelievers, and followers of other religions considered "false Christians", instead of the ones who do?

It seems you've got a double standard for Islam and Christianity.




Clarification Please.

Where does the First quote with Moses Come from? You give NO citations.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4498570 - 08/05/05 01:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus, Buddha, Mahavir, Gandhiji are very great people. They chose path of Love, Kindness, Peace, Non-violence and Led an example. By following their path, One can attain internal peace, spiritual enlightenment and lead a peaceful life.

But, Mohammed was Prophet of Satan. Killing, Looting, Pedophilia, lechery, Raping are the characteristics of Satan. Mohammed was not having single Quality to be called as Messenger of God. Either Mohammed was a liar (or) He was deceived by Satan. He created Islam for his sole purpose of Lust for Power, Sex. He has not created a peaceful religion, He has created a Barbaric, intolerant, Morally Corrupted, Wicked, Imperialistic Cult. I am 100% Sure, Mohammed must be rotten in Hell right now. A Big Disappointment is awaiting for his blind followers.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4501470 - 08/05/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ahh yes good ol satan. The scapegoat for all mankind's problems.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4503406 - 08/06/05 09:30 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:

I see what your problem is, you believe in fairy tales. No wonder you are unable to get a subjective view.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4511890 - 08/08/05 08:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Tabari IX:113 ?Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur?an.?

Tabari I:280 ?Allah said, ?It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.? Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.?

Qur?an 4:3 ?If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth).?

Qur?an 4:11 ?Allah directs you in regard of your Children?s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females?. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.?

Bukhari:V1B22N28 ?The Prophet said: ?I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.? When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ?All the favors done for them by their husbands.??

Muslim:B1N142 ??O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.? A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah?s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ?You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.? Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ?Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.??

Qur?an 4:43 ?Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.? [The Qur?an claims women are unclean and polluted?worse than dirt.]

Bukhari:V4B55N547 ?The Prophet said, ?But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.??

Qur?an 33:59 ?Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.?

Qur?an 4:15 ?If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.?

Bukhari:V4B52N143/V5B59N523 ?When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah?s Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.??

Bukhari:V5B59N524 ?The Muslims said among themselves, ?Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet?s wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions???

Ishaq:593 ?From the captives of Hunayn, Allah?s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.?

Bukhari:V3B48N826 ?The Prophet said, ?Isn?t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?? The women said, ?Yes.? He said, ?This is because of the deficiency of a woman?s mind.??

Ishaq:584 ?Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.?

Ishaq:185 ?In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards.?

Qur?an 24:31 ?Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands...?

Qur?an 24:34 ?Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here?s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.?

Ishaq:469 ?The Apostle said, ?Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa?d.??

Tabari VIII:62/Ishaq:496 ?Ali [Muhammad?s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ?Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.??

Ishaq:496 ?Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.? So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, ?Tell the Apostle the truth.??

Qur?an 24:1 ?(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.?
Qur?an 24:6 ?And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4514036 - 08/09/05 10:55 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)


Where does the First quote with Moses Come from? You give NO citations.


Huh? Click on the link right above it.

All the quotes there come with the references to where you can find them in the bible. Look them up.

Religions are all pretty stupid, Islam included. Anyone who follows the words of pretty much any religion 100% literally will have to be a violent hypocrite, this goes for Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and plenty more.

However, those people who follow the religions the way most people follow religions, using them as a guideline and taking what they choose, tend to be good people.

Singling out Islam as though all followers of it are bad people is bigotry.

Take someone like Irshad Manji. She's a Muslim woman who is calling for all kinds of progressive changes. She is peaceful, a lesbian, intelligent, and outspoken. She is certainly not in favor of rape and murder. However, the venomous hate-filled rants you spew refuse to see Muslims as different people. It seems that to you, they are all the same; a bunch of evil, violent assholes.

You don't give a shit about what their actual opinions are, you just know they're muslims, and that means you're supposed to hate them. That's pretty much textbook bigotry right there.

http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/thebook.html


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4519159 - 08/10/05 05:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:


Anyone who follows the words of pretty much any religion 100% literally will have to be a violent hypocrite, this goes for Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and plenty more.





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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4586761 - 08/27/05 06:24 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Okay fellows. Enough of this Islam vs Christianity derailment. The title of this thread is "Do you support the war on drugs?" not "Which religion is shittier?"

If the next post in this thread doesn't address the drug war, the thread will be locked.



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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phred]
    #4593000 - 08/28/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The war on drugs is fueled by greed and sadism, kind of like Islam.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4655954 - 09/13/05 04:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The ones responsible for the war on drugs are the drug addicts and anyone else with a drug problem.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #9456310 - 12/18/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well I believe in Peace, democracy and human rights so no I do not and never will support the ridiculous war on drugs.


Edited by libertyshroom (12/18/08 02:02 PM)


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