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police seized spore syringes
    #9442998 - 12/16/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have a friend in arizona who ordered some syringes off the internet and then got a call from USPS a couple days later saying the police had his package.  Has anyone had this happen before.  Can he go to the station and potentially pick the syringes up because they are legal in AZ.

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: san pedro5]
    #9443205 - 12/16/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Call it a loss, say he doesn't know anything about it. It's bullshit, but does he want to try proving that they were exclusively for microscopy?


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: AltecLansing]
    #9443258 - 12/16/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I don't know about your country, but I would go and pick it up.

They cannot put you into jail or fine you because of this. For that, they need to prove you plan to grow them. You can just say you are only going to watch the syringe sit on a window or something.. a dumb excuse. They will be sleazy bastards and try to talk you in in all kinds of ways, by any means don't let them do anything to package unless they show you some exact warrant or paragraph from law (which I doubt exists...). They might not want to give you the package, so you say "So.. unless I have broken any laws or anything, can i take my package and go now?" If they say no, it would probably be because of pre caution of a possible crime, but for further arrest, they need proof which they haven't. Just don't order anything more suspicious like grow bags or something or they might have proof to get a warrant for home search.


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: Simms]
    #9443345 - 12/16/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, I don't know about your country, but I would go and pick it up.

They cannot put you into jail or fine you because of this. For that, they need to prove you plan to grow them. You can just say you are only going to watch the syringe sit on a window or something.. a dumb excuse. They will be sleazy bastards and try to talk you in in all kinds of ways, by any means don't let them do anything to package unless they show you some exact warrant or paragraph from law (which I doubt exists...). They might not want to give you the package, so you say "So.. unless I have broken any laws or anything, can i take my package and go now?" If they say no, it would probably be because of pre caution of a possible crime, but for further arrest, they need proof which they haven't. Just don't order anything more suspicious like grow bags or something or they might have proof to get a warrant for home search.




I doubt they'll be like "Well, glad that was cleared up and this fine young man can now study those spores microscopically. We're not going to remember his name or address, and are going to move on to real crimes." That's not how cops work in the U.S. I'm not trying to make you paranoid, I'm just saying that if it were me I'd forfeit the package and call the $20 a loss to save trouble. They aren't going to launch an investigation, but why risk attention for $20? Go for a P.O. box next time, or a U.P.S. store box. It's my policy to not order suspicious things to places where suspicious activities go down though.


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: AltecLansing]
    #9443402 - 12/16/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, so, what are they going to do then? Thats all they are doing, creating fear, so that you could snap.

Actually it is more suspicious if you don't go and pick it up, because then you basically know its a crime and next time you order spores, you can't go and pick them up either.

Edited by Simms (12/16/08 12:27 PM)

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: AltecLansing]
    #9443423 - 12/16/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Do not pick it up.  Do not say ANYTHING.  If anyone calls, say you have nothing to say.  If anyone comes to the door, don't answer.  If anyone approaches you, give them your name and say nothing.  Say you do not wish to be questioned.


Do not pick it up.  Do you know the law?  No.  You don't know if they can get you for shipping  a syringe in some manner.  You don't know if your state or the feds have some vague biological material shipping requirements. 


I would clean up my place and forget about it.  It cannot be worth it.  If you even talk to them you give yourself a chance to get asked uncomfortable questions.  You lie and you could go to jail.

Will they likely do anything?  Hopefully not, but you have no way of knowing.


Say nothing, consent to nothing, and forget about it.  And clean your place.  No matter what happens, say nothing but "I don't know what's going on, I want a lawyer and I don't consent to be questioned/searched"

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: johnm214]
    #9443448 - 12/16/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I hope that last post was a joke. People cannot be in such a fear. police state? If spores are LEGAL, then no crime is being commited. however they might do a house search on you one day, in which case you just have to be clever and order spores for a friends name who isn't going to grow them. Then he can go and pick them up and not lie. They will ask friends name, but you just say you don't remember his exact name, it was this dude...


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: Simms]
    #9443476 - 12/16/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

How is the previous post a joke?

Just because something is legal doesn't make you free to spit in their faces. Yeah, maybe if it was for microscopy and he has no intention of growing.

My guess is that he wants to grow mushrooms, and telling the police you are growing mushrooms is not a good idea no matter how bad you want to flex your rights. Living in fear is not cool, but living in jail is even worse.

Like he said, picking up the package shows that you ordered it and it belongs to you, etc. If you don't claim it, theres no proof you had any knowledge of it or its contents.

Why would you suggest he put himself in a situation where he could possibly face jail time?

A couple wrong words slip out with fear tactics, and they could lock him up and throw away the key.


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: tak]
    #9443503 - 12/16/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Who said anything about spitting in their faces?

You are just simply following the law, like they do. You are not getting spores for growing mushrooms, you are getting them for microscopical study. Psilocybine mushroom spores are very good for studying because they are dark and can be easily seen as a pack under a microscope, they are actually the easiest to get online.


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: tak]
    #9443509 - 12/16/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Simms, do you live in the states? That post wasn't a joke. Let's assume that the spores had accidentally germinated in the syringe, and the cops saw it and are waiting to nab the op for receiving narcotics in the mail.

In this country there are a lot of hypotheticals regarding the law, and almost invariably the rule of thumb is "Don't risk it."

Send it somewhere not connected to your name next time.


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: AltecLansing]
    #9444174 - 12/16/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Moral of the story is never never use UPS


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: Stonehenge]
    #9444949 - 12/16/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Moral of the story is never never use UPS




UPS has nothing to do with this story. The OP stated the USPS aka United States Postal Service called his friend to notify him the police had seized his package.

Considering that the police allowed the post office to notify the intended recipient of their seizure of the package the police aren't likely to do anything with it. If they were they would have done so before the recipient was tipped off.

It may take a warrant to search/seize first class mail, but believe me, it is not at all difficult for the police to get a warrant. It is upsettingly easy if you ask me. All it takes is a phone call, and they'll have a warrant in 30 min or less.

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: AltecLansing]
    #9445153 - 12/16/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

How do they know you ordered it? And trust me, nothing is going to happen.

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: distgre1]
    #9445182 - 12/16/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

if they are legal in your state, i would personally go pick them up.  They already have your fuckin address, so if they were going to do anything about it (which they cant if legal) they would have.  They are breaking the law by confiscating a package they have no right to confiscate, unless it is falling under a dangerous items rule or something.

If they were to ask why you want them, just don't answer, you don't have to explain anything to them or prove anything to them.  Just say, 'i am here to get my package'.  when they ask about why you want them simply tell them, 'its my package, i would like it so i can get going'.

Anyways, thats what i would do.

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: supra]
    #9445199 - 12/16/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Supra, you are right but I'm still right in that you should avoid UPS.

How the hell did they have probable cause to open the package? Unless syringes are illegal, go pick them up. They are legal by prescription only in some states so watch out.


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: Stonehenge]
    #9445853 - 12/16/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I think it would be best to be safe in this matter. Sure you should be able to go down there and pick up but it's not even remotely worth it. Unless you have the extra money to higher an attorney in case something bad happens.

Honestly I would refrain from any illegal activities after this happened. If they are holding your package then they must have a warrant to do so. If they went through the trouble of getting a warrant then they are surely going to keep an eye on you. They have a plan to charge you with something. This is just the first step.

Or you could listen to everyone who says it is perfectly legal and they can't do anything to you. That's if you don't value your freedom anyway.

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: san pedro5]
    #9446180 - 12/16/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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san pedro5 said:
I have a friend in arizona who ordered some syringes off the internet and then got a call from USPS a couple days later saying the police had his package.  Has anyone had this happen before.  Can he go to the station and potentially pick the syringes up because they are legal in AZ.




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The DEA North Central Laboratory (Chicago, Illinois) recently received three glass vials containing a clear solution, suspected Psilocybe mushroom spores in water. The exhibits were originally contained in three syringes, and were purchased in Detroit, Michigan by agents from the DEA Detroit Division (details withheld in accordance with Microgram policy). The total net weight and volume of the samples was 35.9 grams (40.0 milliliters).
A growth cycle was initiated for all three samples in order to determine whether or not Psilocybe mushrooms could be produced. A standard underground procedure was used (obtained from an Internet site; details withheld in accordance with Microgram policy). Mycelium growth was observed after about 3 weeks; however, only two small mushrooms grew (which were harvested after 78 days). Analysis of methanolic extracts of the two mushrooms by GC/MS indicated no controlled substances, suggesting that the mushrooms were not Psilocybe mushrooms. It is unclear whether the sale was a scam, or if the solution was contaminated during the transfer from the syringes to the vials, or if there was some other unknown problem with the solution or cultivation procedures. This is the first time that a mushroom grow has been performed at the North Central Laboratory.





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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: Chemy]
    #9446218 - 12/16/08 08:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

78 days...fucking newbs...but i guess if they were not cubes then it may be about right.  Funny they would grow them out since they were just spores which even if they were cubes, were not illegal.

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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: san pedro5]
    #9446322 - 12/16/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I have a friend in arizona who ordered some syringes off the internet and then got a call from USPS a couple days later saying the police had his package.  Has anyone had this happen before.  Can he go to the station and potentially pick the syringes up because they are legal in AZ.



Consult a lawyer that knows the laws in the great state of Arizona and procede from his/her advice.  Everything else is mainly just guesswork and I'd love to know what happens as this goes on.:syringe:


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Re: police seized spore syringes [Re: mr.bixby]
    #9447002 - 12/16/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Chalk it up as a loss - why is it worth trying to fight for like $20-30 worth of spores, when you could be getting yourself into hot water.  Just order again from a different vendor.  No, they're not illegal per se - but the cops aren't stupid and would kno you're up to something, which isn't good.  By not going down there, you're making it look like maybe you didn't even order them, and it was a mistake - you do not wanna be dealing w/ the cops.

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