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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
    #9421344 - 12/12/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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youbreakyoubuy said:
Main stream media doesn't seem to have a truly accurate perspective on drug usage.



Or insanity.


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9421387 - 12/12/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well, what's the accurate portrayal of insanity?

If I listen to what some traditions (like what some proponents of shamanism claim) have to say on that, then I should treat the insane as holy.  I've met a few people off their rockers and I don't sense anything remarkable saintly in their visage.

here's a poem:
The Difference Between

A saintly man and a Perfect One both resided on the
Outskirts of a beautiful city,
Though several miles apart.

One day it came to the attention
Of these two households that a visiting prince
Desired to pay his respects to the most revered spiritual
Leader in that province,
Wanting to gift a small fortune to that man
To help further God's work.

As there had for years been some question
Amongst the population who in fact was
The most spiritual of these two figures,
The prince devised something of a contest
As he only had time to visit
One of these personages.

The prince sent word:
"In three days I would like to meet with,
In my quarters, the chief representative of each
Of these two renowned religious men
And after questioning them extensively
I and my ministers will then determine
Who in fact of their teachers is the
Closer to God, and thus
To whom we will gift God's own bounty."

The saint upon receiving this news met with
All his close ones. This council discussed the situation
For hours, exploring every nuance,
And considering how much this gold could mean to them.

Then, with a clear majority vote,
Ramjoo was chosen.

Ramjoo was a strikingly handsome young man,
A great hunter, a legendary warrior, a renowned artist.
His intellect was superb, his manners impeccable,
He spoke twenty diffent languages
And was descended from royal blood himself--
A great-aunt was a queen.
Someone in the saint's camp also knew this prince
Enjoyed the intimate company of men as well as women.
Ramjoo, they all nodded, was the right choice.

The Perfect One upon receiving this "news"
From the prince immediately called for Yasamin;
No consultation with anyone was needed.

Yasamin was a servant woman in the master's
Household.
She was nearly eighty, a famous hag,
And had worked for him all her life--
No one else in the city would hire Yasamin
As she was completely mad
(Perhaps just God-mad), nevertheless her qualifications
For this essential, delicate diplomacy were exact:

She had not combed her hair or bathed for months;
She mostly muttered unintelligible sounds
In her own secret language
That only the master knew.
She often made obscene gestures
While exposing her private regions.

She compulsively picked her nose
And threw boogers with astounding accuracy.
No one had ever known her to go five minutes
Without loudly farting at least four times.
She was psychic, too,
And would probably start beating the prince if
She "saw" he had ever gone too far romantically--
With his camels.

Yasamin, the Perfect One knew,
Was the right choice to be his envoy
Especially when she agreed with a deep enlightened laugh
To add to her already majestic--sublimely free--being
The crown of three live chickens
She would proudly drape over her head
Come the appointed
Royal minute.

The day of the prince came. The two envoys entered
The prince's quarters but were kept separate
And did not even see one another.

Ramjoo went in first
And from behind a door Yasamin could hear singing,
And light lively talk that went on for two hours.

She kenw what was happening.
The prince was falling in love with his new guest.

Then Yasamin was brought in
And the price could not believe his eyes.
He felt tremendously insulted and even became
A bit terrified when, in fact, Yasamin being
Able to "see" into the prince's past,
Started shouting things even he could understand
About that one regrettable night in the desert--
With that young, gorgeous camel.
She even hit the prince with two gigantic boogers
From twenty feet away;
Bouncing off his forehead
They both fell right into his tea.

Yasamin was ordered
Beaten and thrown out.

She returned to the master ecstatic
And has never been happier since.

That night the prince could not sleep, but
Finally dozed off for a few minutes just before dawn.
During that short sleep he had this dream:

The Prophet Mohammad
Was seated on a magnificent white horse
And behind the Prophet sat a man smiling wonderfully
At the prince for a moment, before saying,

"Why did you beat my dear Yasamin,
When she spoke only the truth to you?"

The prince bolted awake
And sat up in bed trembling with sweat.

He called for his horse to be saddled
And with ten of his soldiers rode right then
To the saintly man's house pleading to see him.

Upon seeing this man and realizing
He was not the person in the dream,
He then dismissed his soldiers and taking off his shoes,
Weeping now,
Began to walk to the Perfect One's household.

Dear Ones,
Use your own storytelling abilities
To end this tale

In a way that will most
Uplift your heart.


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9421400 - 12/12/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think there is one last movie coming out with him in it

check here
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/

I can't wait to find out more.
Heath Ledger was an amazing actor IMO


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My Dials Are Pupilated.

Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes, and cannot tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What we continually think about will manifest itself in our lives.

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- No matter how well you know someone, They're always a stranger.

Did perpetual happiness in the Garden of Eden maybe get so boring that eating the apple was justified?

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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: it stars saddam]
    #9425016 - 12/13/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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it stars saddam said:

Since no one even believes this, you could still try to be edgy by suggesting that it wasn't really an exceptional performance.  That'd show 'em.




Has anyone seen There Will Be Blood? There's a remarkable similarity in Ledger's twitchy face spasm things to Daniel Day Lewis's portrayal of his character. A fuckin awesome film BTW


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: mr_kite]
    #9425436 - 12/13/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone else notice:

Young rising star, Brandon Lee plays a violent character with long stringy hair, whiteface, dark eye makeup and a red extended 'mouth' and dies before the film is released.

Young rising star, Heath Ledger plays a violent character with long stringy hair, whiteface, dark eye makeup and a red extended 'mouth' and dies before the film is released.

*cue spooky music*


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9426112 - 12/13/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't really enjoy the movie that much, it seemed way to Hollywood, way too over produced. Bales voice went way too fucking low sometimes.
Ledger was good though, he had a strong performance.


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: tempingasashaman]
    #9427270 - 12/13/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i thought it was pretty :awesome:


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9428511 - 12/14/08 03:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder not whether the character contributed to his death, but rather an existing "darkness" that existed, contributed to the portrayal of the role.
Perhaps he felt there wasn't enough acting involved, that prospect itself seems far more frightening...

Quote:

Those "sleeping pills" were actually a combination of opiates, benzodiazepines, and antihistamines.




The drugs listed are addictive, and isn't it suggested that antihistamine is used to potentiate opiates?
If any increased mental unease were coupled with tolerance and dosage concerns...eg not feeling the buzz enough...one may be inclined to dramatically increase dosage :shrug:

Not speaking from experience or anything. :rolleyes:


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9428554 - 12/14/08 04:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I actual take that same combination rather frequently.  Being the tasteful guy that I am, I always refer to it as a "Heath Bar."

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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9429120 - 12/14/08 08:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Saw the latest Batman movie last night. Ledger played a superb psycho; an intelligent agent of chaos. His performance was so creepy that I wonder if he got too deep into the dark side of his character and may have contributed to his early death.

Or, I may be reading too much between the lines. Has anyone else suggested this?




I heard he would rather die than have to deal with the prospect of having to make a sequel to "the latest Batman movie".  :wink:


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9430621 - 12/14/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I was a batman fan as a kid and enjoyed the comic book, much more than any of the movies.

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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9430695 - 12/14/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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C.M. Mann said:
I was a batman fan as a kid and enjoyed the comic book, much more than any of the movies.





So you liked Heath Ledger more in the comics then? :awesome:


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: igwna]
    #9430781 - 12/14/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yes Daniel Day Lewis and Heath Ledger were both method actors, and in the general method, before you make your own path, you are trained to be that person. Emotional memories attached to personal experience and such, so it can be difficult.
As an actor you almost really want to follow the flow of the person you are becoming and learn from it.

Its like discovering a new perception of the world around you with a new set of eyes and personality which is a blast, but the joker's character is a path to something that is wild. He did a great job.

And yea Daniel Day Lewis in There will be Blood was the shit as well, that is real acting, the art of it, not the money and dark side of hollywood bullshit. those guys are both my inspiration

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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: cheezeits]
    #9431702 - 12/14/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There is a compulsion in this country to view actors as royalty, people who don't have to follow the same rules as mere mortals do. I like this actor,he entertains me; so I wil give him a pass on morality. I don't understand why humans today have such a need to be entertained. Please enlighten me, I want to know.

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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9433597 - 12/14/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't understand why humans today have such a need to be entertained




an easy way to kill boredom and waste time that doesn't involve productivity (which, itself, involves some sort of effort)? :shrug:


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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: flangenips]
    #9433803 - 12/14/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you think one person gets bored, and another never gets bored. There are not enough minutes in the day to get bored as far as I am concerned. ------------------ As an adult you are responsable for your actions, stop putting yourself in situations you know you don't like. In other words if you hate your job, change it. If you hate your life CHANGE IT. If you are young understand that you are a product of your DNA, and your motor is being supercharged like nitrous with a variety of hormones and other chemicals. If you are older, get out of your rut. As we get older we trade comfort for logic. -----------------------------------------------------------------I would still like to know why people need to be entertained, and why they get bored

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Re: Heath Ledger as The Joker [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9434174 - 12/15/08 12:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you think one person gets bored, and another never gets bored. There are not enough minutes in the day to get bored as far as I am concerned. ------------------ As an adult you are responsable for your actions, stop putting yourself in situations you know you don't like. In other words if you hate your job, change it. If you hate your life CHANGE IT. If you are young understand that you are a product of your DNA, and your motor is being supercharged like nitrous with a variety of hormones and other chemicals. If you are older, get out of your rut. As we get older we trade comfort for logic. -----------------------------------------------------------------I would still like to know why people need to be entertained, and why they get bored




prove that people "need" to be entertained in this fashion. (i assume we're on topic of tv/film/tabloids)
Because I'm quite sure we don't need it. Ever been camping? make your own entertainment... get wasted, explore, dance

being bored is easy when you can't be assed being productive, so to avoid or reduce boredom some people turn to entertainment because it makes us think, makes us laugh etc. Isn't that just changing the situation to something one likes then.

Boredom for me is usually a intermittend recess from doing stuff, it doesn't last long, and can be remedied with a bong and a good movie, or an enjoyable task.
Plus being neutrally bored is better than doing something you don't want do - argh i sound like a procrastinator, and I am one.
And sometimes you have to do things you do not like to do something that you want to do. (i.e one shit compulsory paper for your qualification that will get you the job you want)

Boredom is not always that great of a life-changing burden. Its just sometimes one hasn't figured out what to do next or is trying a few things (computer, tv, playing an instrument, art etc...) untill they're satisfied with how much they like doing something currently.

Nothing wrong with being bored, as long as you find a remedy IMO


besides
plenty of old people trade logic for comfort... I know its what i'm gonna do when i retire.

Or am I way off track and you want some neuroscience/biological evidence of why we need entertainment and get bored?

btw, watched dark knight last night, i thought heath did an awesome job as the joker.


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Edited by flangenips (12/15/08 12:25 AM)

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