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I think I have a double-header!
    #9431768 - 12/15/08 02:52 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I've been watching this guy for about 3 weeks now, thinking that 2 heads were going to come up.  Would this be uncommon?




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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: JohnAdams]
    #9431806 - 12/15/08 03:00 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Sa-weet! Hopefully It'll flip out and go cristata!


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Cactusdan]
    #9432020 - 12/15/08 03:45 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

double header, not really common but not really rare either...
i doubt it is cristate as the aperical meristem appears to have fully divided into two already :yesnod:


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9432025 - 12/15/08 03:46 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

:tongue: I can dream for the guy


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Cactusdan]
    #9432107 - 12/15/08 04:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i had one the same in the first batch of loph seeds i ever grew, i got all excited too but sadly it was just a double header...

but, we can always hope :banana:


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9432464 - 12/15/08 05:03 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Sadly?! I think it's cool that its got 2 heads!:yesnod: A cristate would be cool as hell too, but I'm happy with the lil guy having two heads.
Cant you make a cactus grow into a crest by grafting a certain way? I, for some reason, thought I read something about that a while back.

What would it look like, if one did turn into a cristate?.


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: JohnAdams]
    #9432587 - 12/15/08 05:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

cresting is genetic, nothing to do with grafting tek.

with a crested specimen the aperical meristem will stretch rather than divide.


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9432614 - 12/15/08 05:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Ahh ok, well that's cool as hell! Stretch huh? Do you happen to have a picture of a seedling doing that? Not saying I think I have one, I just would like to know what it looks like.


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: JohnAdams]
    #9432643 - 12/15/08 05:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Looking good bro. :awesome:

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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9432672 - 12/15/08 05:32 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I once created a double header by dividing the aperical meristem when I first started growing cacti.  It was not a healthy seedling to begin with, and it dies after about a year.  I should try again.


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: JohnAdams]
    #9432735 - 12/15/08 05:44 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i don't have a pic of a seedling crest (i wish i did!) but heres a grown up one to give you an idea...



as you can see the meristem becomes long rather than staying as a single point, just imagine that scaled down into seedling size.


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9432887 - 12/15/08 06:04 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks EG!

Yo Blazed, that would be a pretty interesting experiment to do again.  You think you could make one a quad-head? That would be cool.

And Uare, wow! Thats crazy! I get it now, so the meristem will stretch sideways, and the growth will be coming out the whole length of the meristem, whereas a double header actually split in two and now has two meristems.  Coooooooool


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: JohnAdams]
    #9435609 - 12/15/08 06:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I've really got to get a crest. They are so expensive though :sad:.

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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: JohnAdams]
    #9441855 - 12/16/08 12:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks EG!

Yo Blazed, that would be a pretty interesting experiment to do again.  You think you could make one a quad-head? That would be cool.

And Uare, wow! Thats crazy! I get it now, so the meristem will stretch sideways, and the growth will be coming out the whole length of the meristem, whereas a double header actually split in two and now has two meristems.  Coooooooool





Yeh I only tried it the one time and it worked.  I knew nothing about cacti then,, but I knew it worked for plants.  I had a lot more time back then to play aorund.  I'm sure I'll try it again.


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: blazed123]
    #9441973 - 12/16/08 01:22 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

how did you do that man?
just cut the aperical meristem or burned it? :shrug:


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9443200 - 12/16/08 08:37 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I cut part of it.  Cutting out the entire aperical meristem will only cause it to pup. It was a long time ago, so I forget exactly.  But I think the key is cutting out the top of opposing ribs.  They'll heal, and the remaining sides will divide into two tips.


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: blazed123]
    #9444065 - 12/16/08 11:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Ledd]
    #9444206 - 12/16/08 11:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

and how was that achieved? :crazy:


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9444241 - 12/16/08 11:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't perform that maneuver. I believe the stone is put as a spacer to stop the sides from healing together. You know a silly amount more than me about cacti health, so enlighten me if you figure it out.

I would guess just slice vertically down through the center of the vascular ring, maybe cut a V-wedge?


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Re: I think I have a double-header! [Re: Ledd]
    #9444263 - 12/16/08 11:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

god knows lol...
it's got that crystal wedged in the gap so i guess that had something to do with it :shrug:


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