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Amanita?
    #9420515 - 12/12/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I spotted this guy from the bus, and jumped off at the next stop.I think it may be an Amanita. I dont know much about them, but I know the stem butt is used for ID. Unfortunately, I found it knocked over under some conifers, so some of the stem might be missing. It was found today on Vancouver Island.

Gills:
White

Stem:
Thick, white, solid.

Cap:
Red with off-white veil remnants. About 4" diameter

Spore print color:
Pending

Bruising:
off-white, if any.





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OneOak


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Re: Amanita? [Re: oneoak]
    #9420762 - 12/12/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Looks very much like A. muscaria var. muscaria but with out the base/bulb at the bottom I cant say 100% that it is. Next time try to locate and collect the base and look for the tell tale rings.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: oneoak]
    #9420939 - 12/12/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Its Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata. 

Base of stem would be nice but its not really necessary in the case of big, bright red specimens like this.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9421538 - 12/12/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Amanita? [Re: oneoak]
    #9421824 - 12/12/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's my understanding that on the Pacific coast there are virtually no "look alikes" to A.Muscaria.

It's due to snow and freeze for a week here in W.WA, so I think my Amanita Muscaria picking days are over for the year :sad:


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Re: Amanita? [Re: ShockValue]
    #9421864 - 12/12/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It's my understanding that on the Pacific coast there are virtually no "look alikes" to A.Muscaria.




I'd agree with that.

There are some in the southeast but they are probably not toxic.  The most common one that gets posted here is Amanita parcivolvata.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9422981 - 12/13/08 06:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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It's my understanding that on the Pacific coast there are virtually no "look alikes" to A.Muscaria.




I'd agree with that.

There are some in the southeast but they are probably not toxic.  The most common one that gets posted here is Amanita parcivolvata.


I can always tell the two apart because of the powdery stipe on parcivolvata.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #9423447 - 12/13/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Alan, what led you to the ID? Just curious so I can gain further knowledge. Thanks.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: lqdtrance]
    #9424183 - 12/13/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Alan, what led you to the ID?




Amanita muscaria is the only Amanita with a red cap and white spots that is large and robust and grows in his area.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9425006 - 12/13/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I meant between var. muscaria and var. flavivolvata.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: lqdtrance]
    #9426841 - 12/13/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure but I think var. muscaria is the European variant and flavivolvata is its North American cousin.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: oneoak]
    #9426867 - 12/13/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The yellow PNW variant is Amanita muscaria var. muscaria and the red one is Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata. 

The yellow PNW is the only true var. muscaria that occurs in the US. 

Some people say the siberian var. muscaria is better than the US version as far as the ratio of muscamol to the things that make you ill.  Would be great if someone could bioassay the two PNW species and let us know if it really is a better drug.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: lqdtrance]
    #9427250 - 12/13/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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lqdtrance said:
I meant between var. muscaria and var. flavivolvata.


flavivolvata has yellow warts when young

heres some info on flavivolvata

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita_muscaria.html


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Re: Amanita? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #9428744 - 12/14/08 06:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

To make it easier to understand Rod Tulloss has now renamed Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata to Amanita amerimuscaria nom prov.

Amanita muscaria var. persicina is also getting it own species status.

Hes not sure yet if Amanita muscaria var. guessowii will get "variation" status under amerimuscaria or if it will just become a yellow "form" of amerimuscaria.
Probably the later.

Rods criteria for creating a new species (like his teacher) is it has to have at least three distinct and definable traits.
So far this technique has held up against dna analysis.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #9428918 - 12/14/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome guys, Thanks for the clear up and info.


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Re: Amanita? [Re: lqdtrance]
    #9431156 - 12/14/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Although Rod has contradicted himself on the range of the red form of amerimuscaria.
Sometimes saying it occurs as far north-east as Mass. other times saying that it is not found east of Texas.

I tend to believe the later, ive never seen the red form east of Texas.
Unfortunately they cant do breeding studies with Amanita.


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