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I have nothing to say when im around straight edges.
    #9428208 - 12/14/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

So a couple nights ago i had to go hang out with a bunch of people that have been practically mormon sober their whole lives.  I sat their quitly and didn't really say anything, most of this times i tell people that aren't in the drug scene that i have smoked DMT and been trasported to another dimension, or taken LSD for that fact (when i tell people i take LSD they freak out) people get sketched out. 

I know that after college and stuff im going to be running into more and more morman sober people and im afraid i won't be able to get along with anyone.  Seriously when straight edges have trivial conversation about a thing on TV i have nothing to add to the convo cuz i really don't give a flying fuck about greys anatomy.  I would much rather get drunk get all loose and comfortable and play quarters for a couple hours.  Thats the only way i really know how to get to know new people:shrug:

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428216 - 12/14/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Being able to interact and enjoy the company of sober people is a good skill to learn. Sounds like they were just lame people, TV is a brain and mood killer.

Find people that share hobbies/passions with you that go beyond drugs.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #9428222 - 12/14/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

the only str8 edges i can bare is my family and the ones that party sober


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #9428232 - 12/14/08 02:17 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I mean i really like sports and stuff, i played soccer all my life and was the captain of my team for two years.  I love sports and hiking and learning new things.  But then a lot of the times there just the "football, yes john madden, yes brett farve, yeah he had 1,687 passing yards in 1988, football" And i think, "wow what a fucking idiot, sports are fun and everything but there is also a lot more to life"  But i just don't know what to say to straight edges.  What do they think about?  How can i relate, cuz im having a tough time as of right now.  I don't want to be the sketchy quite dude, but i also people freak the fuck out when they hear about my drug history.  And drugs are a HUGE part of my life.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428242 - 12/14/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428244 - 12/14/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I get along with vegetarian-type straightedgers by cooking for them. As for the straightedgers who are just anti-altered-states I find little common ground. I like to trip around them and not tell them Im tripping because it gives me a sense of humour I dont normally have, and when Im tripping I dont always want alcohol and cigarettes.

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9428250 - 12/14/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

when i trip around str8 edges i always get the same reaction
"why is everything so godam funny"
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cuz bra its just so ridiculous cant u c
then i laugh more cuz they cant :lol:


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Coaster]
    #9428255 - 12/14/08 02:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9428278 - 12/14/08 02:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

WTF does someones choice not to do drugs have to do with your ability enjoy their company?


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9428282 - 12/14/08 02:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I like make new friends

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9428296 - 12/14/08 02:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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WTF does someones choice not to do drugs have to do with your ability enjoy their company?



Because drugs are a huge part of my life.  With my true friends i prolly haven't had a sober activity with them sense i was 15.  Everything we do either drunk or high.  So when im sitting around meeting new people and it doesn't involve some sort of pharmacological agent (alcohol in particular) then i don't know what to do or say.  I can make people comfortable and laugh and stuff, but i have such different values and political belief systems than the average straight edge.  I don't know what to say:shrug:


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9428298 - 12/14/08 02:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. But have found that 'people who have experimented with drugs' tend to be more open minded. But there is many more attributes that I look for when meeting people.

I personally love just saying "Hi I'm ........... What do you look for in life?" If that person has an answer, their worth talking to.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: polantis]
    #9428301 - 12/14/08 02:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Coaster]
    #9428307 - 12/14/08 02:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I loox 4 dr00gz

Some people cant answer the question when you ask them what they do because they do something so far out of the norm that it is taboo.

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9428319 - 12/14/08 02:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Or illegal? :lol:

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Coaster]
    #9428355 - 12/14/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Unfortunately, not true Coaster. Some people really are unaware of what life can hold for them.

I have met so many people that are quite happy to live for tomorrow. Thinking that tomorrow will show them what they enjoy, or what they are good at, what they should do with their life.

In reality there is no tomorrow. Tomorrow as a feeling is not possible, all we have is today. The present in which all things that are possible, are achievable.

If I meet a person who implements this, they instantly get my respect.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: polantis]
    #9428366 - 12/14/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

True, tomorrow is nonexistant, we only ever have the now. I try always to remember this, but I dont always.

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9428374 - 12/14/08 03:05 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The most important sector of your universe is where you are right now.


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    #9428382 - 12/14/08 03:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I still have a hard time in the area that I often seek for callings and quests. Perhaps I dont know myself as well as I always thought I did. 
Ive said it before, sure all we have is the now but there really isnt alot you can do at 4 am when everyone else is sleeping.

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428391 - 12/14/08 03:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

was it a bible study meeting?

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9428404 - 12/14/08 03:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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WTF does someones choice not to do drugs have to do with your ability enjoy their company?




It's not I got a straight edge friend that comes to parties with all of us they make great designated drivers, and also  most people don't realize that straight edge is more than just not doing drugs, drinking, smoking etc.  But then again most kids who claim that tittle really aren't really straight edge considering the whole promiscuous sex thing went out the window quite a while ago.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: filthee]
    #9428419 - 12/14/08 03:20 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No, it was just some people in my building, they don't drink and blaze cuz its "their personal choice" no too.  I don't get it, are people really that ingrained in cultural values?


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    #9428423 - 12/14/08 03:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Its my personal choice not to drink and blaze right now, but Im tripping instead and dont want to pervert it.

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428425 - 12/14/08 03:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

So they aren't straight edge they just choose to be sober, these are two very different things.


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    #9428431 - 12/14/08 03:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it was just some people in my building, they don't drink and blaze cuz its "their personal choice" no too.  I don't get it, are people really that ingrained in cultural values?




Not everyone enjoys being drunk or high all the time.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #9428434 - 12/14/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Not to me, where i come from a person that doesn't do drugs = straight edge.  I know there is some underground group of people that call them selves "str8 edge" or something.  Im not talking about that.


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    #9428436 - 12/14/08 03:26 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The underground group goes around beating up stoners.

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9428439 - 12/14/08 03:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it was just some people in my building, they don't drink and blaze cuz its "their personal choice" no too.  I don't get it, are people really that ingrained in cultural values?




Not everyone enjoys being drunk or high all the time.




They have never tried any drug except for caffeine, thats way different than the occasional smoker/drinker.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428445 - 12/14/08 03:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i dont know if that kind of culture exists here at all

they do one or the other thats for sure,whether they admit it is another story

the only mormons ive ever seen ride bikes around in suits but they never come to my neigborhood,ive seen their bikes chained to poles a block away thoigh

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428447 - 12/14/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Not to me, where i come from a person that doesn't do drugs = straight edge.  I know there is some underground group of people that call them selves "str8 edge" or something.  Im not talking about that.




so then they aren't straight edge at all. If your not apart of the hardcore/punk scene you aren't straight edge.  People just miss use the term.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9428451 - 12/14/08 03:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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The underground group goes around beating up stoners.




that's not really true either, I remember once this called Bongzilla played with a straight edge band :lol: Some do yeah but it's not that many.


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    #9428464 - 12/14/08 03:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Not to me, where i come from a person that doesn't do drugs = straight edge.  I know there is some underground group of people that call them selves "str8 edge" or something.  Im not talking about that.




so then they aren't straight edge at all. If your not apart of the hardcore/punk scene you aren't straight edge.  People just miss use the term.




I'm not misusing any term, where i live straightedge = mormon sobriety.  The term straight edge for sober people came before that underground culture.


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    #9428465 - 12/14/08 03:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Not to me, where i come from a person that doesn't do drugs = straight edge.  I know there is some underground group of people that call them selves "str8 edge" or something.  Im not talking about that.




so then they aren't straight edge at all. If your not apart of the hardcore/punk scene you aren't straight edge.  People just miss use the term.




I'm not misusing any term, where i live straightedge = mormon sobriety.  The term straight edge for sober people came before that underground culture.



yes you are and no it didn't Minor Threat coined the term Straight Edge


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    #9428466 - 12/14/08 03:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it was just some people in my building, they don't drink and blaze cuz its "their personal choice" no too.  I don't get it, are people really that ingrained in cultural values?




Not everyone enjoys being drunk or high all the time.




They have never tried any drug except for caffeine, thats way different than the occasional smoker/drinker.




What is wrong with that?

You may not want to live your life that way; I know I definitely dont, but that doesnt make my perspective any more valid than theirs.

I live my life they way I want to, and as long as someone isnt trying to prevent me from doing so, I cans respect the way in which they choose to live as well.

One of my best friends is a cop who rarely ever drinks, and has never done any kind of illegal drug. We are still able to have a good time together, because we respect  each others perspective without trying to change each other.

He actually has my grow lights in storage at his apartment right now.:lol:


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #9428469 - 12/14/08 03:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Straight Edge originated from punk, but now it is common parlance for people who don't get :vaped:


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    #9428474 - 12/14/08 03:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yeah it doesn't matter where you live all around the world it is the same


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    #9428480 - 12/14/08 03:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:  I'm not arguing where straight edge came from, you have your belief i have mine.


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    #9428481 - 12/14/08 03:45 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah it doesn't matter where you live all around the world it is the same




That may have been the origin of the word, but the meaning has changed. I hear it used pretty often to describe any number of things. The people I worked with at a porn shop when I was younger used to call me straight edge because I wore polo shirts, and didn't have any tattoos, or piercings.


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    #9428482 - 12/14/08 03:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Nah, I'm agreeing with you. I always thought that straight edge meant any person who didn't drink or do drugs.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9428488 - 12/14/08 03:47 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

And there is nothing wrong with people that stay mormon sober, but it just directly conflicts with my life style.


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    #9428489 - 12/14/08 03:47 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well I was just trying to inform you about what is true and that your wrong that's all just trying to help. I mean you can't say you took a shit when you took a piss ya know. :shrug:


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    #9428494 - 12/14/08 03:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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And there is nothing wrong with people that stay mormon sober, but it just directly conflicts with my life style.




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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #9428497 - 12/14/08 03:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I have been using the term stright edge since i can remember for people that don't do any drugs or alcohol, since the mid 90's i guess.  Then recently i heard it being linked with some underground group called straight edge that beats up stoners. I'm gonna say the term straight edge came before that group, and that group coined it as their gang name.  Makes more sense to me!


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yeah it doesn't matter where you live all around the world it is the same




That may have been the origin of the word, but the meaning has changed. I hear it used pretty often to describe any number of things. The people I worked with at a porn shop when I was younger used to call me straight edge because I wore polo shirts, and didn't have any tattoos, or piercings.




well that's because their idiots that's all


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428500 - 12/14/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I have been using the term stright edge since i can remember for people that don't do any drugs or alcohol, since the mid 90's i guess.  Then recently i heard it being linked with some underground group called straight edge that beats up stoners. I'm gonna say the term straight edge came before that group, and that group coined it as their gang name.  Makes more sense to me!




It's was coined in 1980 and the idea started in the late 70's


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #9428504 - 12/14/08 03:52 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah it doesn't matter where you live all around the world it is the same




That may have been the origin of the word, but the meaning has changed. I hear it used pretty often to describe any number of things. The people I worked with at a porn shop when I was younger used to call me straight edge because I wore polo shirts, and didn't have any tattoos, or piercings.




well that's because their idiots that's all




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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9428506 - 12/14/08 03:52 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

not this one


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #9428509 - 12/14/08 03:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well then shit maybe your right, but people do also use the term straight edge for people that don't do drugs and are not using it in any affiliation with this gang what so ever.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428510 - 12/14/08 03:54 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I get what your saying but it would be like changing Vegan doesn't make sense it's not proper use


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #9428514 - 12/14/08 03:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It just did.


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9428515 - 12/14/08 03:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

"Straightedge" as I understand it, is a lose affiliation, but not any official affiliation for a group of people who dont engage in any of the following:
drugs(a broad spectrum, from pharms to entheogens) INCLUDING: Caffeine, nicotine and alcohol.
sex
eating meat(dairy, eggs, etc too)
Someone cant claim "straightedge" if they drink coffee in the morning, smoke cigs all day, have sex in the afternoon, a steak for dinner and then drink all night. It just dosnt work that way.

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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9428519 - 12/14/08 03:58 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No, then I believe the correct term would be "fucking awesome".


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Re: I have nothing to say when im around straight edges. [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9428524 - 12/14/08 03:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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"Straightedge" as I understand it, is a lose affiliation, but not any official affiliation for a group of people who dont engage in any of the following:
drugs(a broad spectrum, from pharms to entheogens) INCLUDING: Caffeine, nicotine and alcohol.
sex
eating meat(dairy, eggs, etc too)
Someone cant claim "straightedge" if they drink coffee in the morning, smoke cigs all day, have sex in the afternoon, a steak for dinner and then drink all night. It just dosnt work that way.




yeah we already went over all this the music is apart of it too, no hardcore/punk = no sXe


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