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InvisibleXlea321
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Thank god for gun ownership...
    #941905 - 10/08/02 07:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The freedom to own high powered rifles. Ain't it a beautiful thing...

Suburbs paralysed by fear of the sniper

Police baffled as attacks spread into new areas in Washington

Suzanne Goldenberg in Bowie, Maryland
Tuesday October 8, 2002
The Guardian

A police helicopter buzzed over the school playing field as a cavalcade of parents, hunched anxiously over their steering wheels, headed for the latest hunting ground for the serial killer of Washington's suburbs.

The exodus from Benjamin Tasker middle school started almost as soon as the school week began, at 8.09 am yesterday morning, when a 13-year-old boy was shot in the chest and critically wounded, moments after his guardian had dropped him off at the main entrance. As in last week's string of suburban killings, the boy was hit by a single shot, seemingly out of nowhere, fired with deadly precision.

The teenager, whose name was not released, was flown to Washington DC, where was said to be in a critical condition after several hours of surgery.

Police later confirmed that the bullet recovered from the boy linked the shooting to the experienced, highly skilled marksman who, since last Wednesday, had killed six people in the American capital and nearby Montgomery county, Maryland.

A seventh, a woman from Virginia, was seriously wounded when she was shot in the back while loading groceries into her car at a shopping mall.

"The projectile that was recovered from our victim this morning has been linked to our sniper. We are continuing to follow up on leads," the Prince George county police chief, Gerald Wilson, told a news conference. But police admitted that they had no clear leads - no suspect, and no explanation for the seemingly random attacks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,806690,00.html





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Post deleted by MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST [Re: Xlea321]
    #942322 - 10/08/02 10:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)



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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: vatoloco]
    #942383 - 10/08/02 11:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Tell that to the mother of the 13 year old kid.


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #942384 - 10/08/02 11:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

So would you prefer we had an incident like in China where a shop owner put poison in a competitors food and killed 30 plus kids? They were much safer weren't they.

Or perhaps like in NYC where a man drove his car up on a sidewalk and mowed over several pedestrians, drove away, and then came back days later and did it again?

Would you feel better then?

Just because the people in your country are pussies doesn't mean we need to be.

Get over it. Guns are legal here. We have a constitutional right to own them despite what you think.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #942391 - 10/08/02 11:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Would you feel better then?

Would I feel better if madmen didn't have access to high powered automatic rifles?

Er...YEAH!!

We have a constitutional right to own them despite what you think.

No you don't. Repeating something twenty times doesn't make it anymore true you know. You should've learned that from Evolving.


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #942418 - 10/08/02 11:41 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think even you are smart enough to know that's not what I asked. But maybe you aren't.

Well Al, still beating that dead horse. You may not like the fact that we do, you may not want to accept the fact that we do, you may not want to believe the evidence that we do, but we do.



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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Edited by luvdemshrooms (10/08/02 11:42 AM)


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #942436 - 10/08/02 11:49 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Evidence? You don't know the meaning of the word. Certainly you've never provided any. Your only reason for existing is making crap one-liners because you havn't the intellect to engage at any deeper level.

Certainly no court in america would agree with your definition of the second amendment.


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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #942437 - 10/08/02 11:49 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Meanwhile, 100 people died in the past few days from drunk driving accidents. I think we should outlaw liquor. That way no madman would have access to drink that would make him go out and kill small children. Passing laws against all Americans will certainly prevent bad people from doing bad things.


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InvisibleVSOPXO
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #942451 - 10/08/02 11:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

In reply to:

Evidence? You don't know the meaning of the word. Certainly you've never provided any.


Alex123, show me evidence then where it says Americans do not have the constitutional right to bear arms.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #942455 - 10/08/02 11:57 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

In reply to:

Repeating something twenty times doesn't make it anymore true you know. You should've learned that from Evolving.



Alex, you are the only one who just repeats something and expects others to believe it. I repeat questions and requests to you and you never answer them because you lack resources to form a valid response. You know next to nothing about the second amendment and how U.S. courts will rule. Clean up your own crime ridden country before you tell us how to do things here.


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InvisibleVSOPXO
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Evolving]
    #942689 - 10/08/02 01:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

In reply to:

Alex, you are the only one who just repeats something and expects others to believe it.


Agreed :

-luvdemshrooms:
"We have a constitutional right to own them despite what you think. "
-Alex:
"No you don't. Repeating something twenty times doesn't make it anymore true you know"

Show me where my country says we don't have the right to bear arms,you can't because our country was at least in part based on this principle,Alex shut the fuck up.


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: VSOPXO]
    #943244 - 10/08/02 05:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure he know's we have the right. I beginning to think Al is just not happy unless he think he's creating a stir.

The alternative is that he's just to stupid to breathe on his own.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Edited by luvdemshrooms (10/08/02 05:03 PM)


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InvisibleFrog31337
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #943421 - 10/08/02 06:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

>>The freedom to own high powered rifles. Ain't it a beautiful thing...
Yes, I have a couple myself.

>>We have a constitutional right to own them
I'm not going to say 'right' but that is how the courts have interpreted it so far, so yes we do.

>>Certainly no court in america would agree with your definition of the second amendment.
(see above answer)


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #943463 - 10/08/02 06:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

LOL


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Evolving]
    #943993 - 10/08/02 09:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

No evidence whatsoever from anyone again. This is getting a little familiar...

Here's a little evidence instead of childish insults.

The NRA still can't convince the high court:


The Supreme court: Cruikshank v. U.S. 1876, "The right of bearing arms for a lawful purpose is not a right granted by the constitution, nor is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence".

In 1916, the role of the so called "citizen militia" was formerly supplanted by the National Defense Act, which recognized the National Guard as the "militia."

The Supreme Court, 1939 U.S. v. Miller, Unanimous decision, Conservative Justice James McReynolds wrote for the Court: "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense. The Constitution, as originally adopted, granted to the Congress power --'To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress. With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces, the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view."

"The NRA has perpetrated a fraud on the American public." The late former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger, on the 2nd amendment.

1981: The National Rifle Association, and a host of gun organizations, fight the constitutionality of Morton Grove Illinois' ban on the possession of handguns, except to those "needing them for their work." A federal district court rules in favor of Morton Grove, the NRA appeals to the Supreme Court on a constitutionality basis. The Supreme court refuses to hear the already exhausted argument. Morton Grove wins.

1992: The NRA conducts a cowardly retreat from their constitutional appeal of the California Assault Weapons Ban. Giving up the opportunity for the nation to see them defeated by their own erroneous interpretation of the 2nd amendment.


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #944006 - 10/08/02 09:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I beginning to think Al is just not happy unless

Any chance of you ever making a post on topic? Every single post you've made for the last 3 weeks has been a one liner about me. Your devotion is touching but it's not helping the board.

Maybe it's time the moderators took at look at you?


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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #944777 - 10/09/02 08:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The US constitution might not explicitly spell out the right of individuals to bear arms, but several states have clarified this issue in their constitutions. US citizens have a right to bear arms in defense of themselves.





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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Xlea321]
    #945056 - 10/09/02 10:30 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Alex, the earliest reference you sight is from 1876. Do you have any references from the founding fathers that state their intentions? By 1876, the U.S. had already succumbed to a temporary dictatorship under Abraham Lincoln who jailed dissidents, shut down newspapers, jailed people without habeas corpus, sent masses of federal troops into a State (I believe it was Maryland) and had them vote to oust political opponents, and exiled political opponents. At this point I think it's safe to say that the constitution had already been violated and ignored by those in power. It is a well known fact that Presidents try to stack the Supreme court with justices who will rubber stamp their agendas, justices who instead of ruling on new laws and how the constitution applies to them, re-interpret the constitution to suite their political agenda.

Please address the following directly:
Please provide any quotes (and your sources) from the founding fathers, the people who wrote and signed the constitution as to their intentions and the purpose of the 2nd amendment. Also provide any quotes (and your sources) from the founding fathers as to the meaning of the term 'militia' as they used it in the 2nd amendment.

I await your evasion and refusal to address these points.



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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Evolving]
    #945176 - 10/09/02 11:21 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Evolving,
I admire your tenacity.

In reply to:

I await your evasion and refusal to address these points.



Yes.... me too. I have no doubt that your question to him will remain, as always, unanswered.

I don't blame you for asking though.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Thank god for gun ownership... [Re: Evolving]
    #945565 - 10/09/02 01:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I await your evasion and refusal to address these points.

LOL!!

Tell me, do you think the supreme court havn't taken all these points into account when they dismissed the NRA's interpretation of the second amendment?

Or do you think I'm in charge of the supreme court too?

Why do you think the supreme court and every court in america disagrees with you and the NRA? Are they all "evading and refusing to address the points" too? Or are they simply interpreting the second amendment correctly? Have you ever thought the supreme courts decision might indicate you are wrong? Or isn't the truth ever allowed to enter your rigid belief system?

I await your evasion with interest  :grin:


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Edited by Alex123 (10/09/02 02:16 PM)


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