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KrishnaDreamer
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414827 - 12/11/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I will repeat my position because I think most of you are missing my point.
Personally, I want free time and the ability to get high. Personally, I'm in favor of legalizing drugs. However, I think that legalizing all drugs would make our nation far less competitive in the global economy and far less productive. I also think that it would drastically increase the number of 18 year old kids addicted to hardcore drugs (and we're already seeing the results of more legal prescription pills such as opiates in the hands of kiddies).
Why do you think the latest trends in drug use have shown a decrease in the use of marijuana and an increase in the use of prescription pills?
ok first of all, prescription pills are illegal to possess without a prescription, making it on par with illegal drugs, that argument is flawed.
second, maybe marijuana use has decreased and prescription pill use has increased because of ease of availability?
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414828 - 12/11/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it does, it may not have been caused by the drug itself but by other lifestyle factors or even biological factors.
Edited by DimensionX (12/11/08 06:42 PM)
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414832 - 12/11/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I also think that it would drastically increase the number of 18 year old kids addicted to hardcore drugs (and we're already seeing the results of more legal prescription pills such as opiates in the hands of kiddies)
I actually did a study in my high school when i was a senior and asked the students "If hard drugs such as Heroin or Cocaine were legal, would the fact of it being legal make you want to use it anymore than if it was illegal?"
I found that a legal or illegal has no effect on the amount of people willing to try the drug
Now someone could refute this argument and say "look how many more people are willing to use alcohol over cocaine because its legal!"
The answer to that is that the reason behind this is because alcohol is and has been a part of american culture for hundreds of years, its never going to change, and it didn't change in alcohol prohibition. I'm going to go ahead and flat out disagree with decypher on this one, he is a hell of a lot smarter than i am, and have great respect for his opinions, but i think a lot of his opinions are based on assumptions. And assumptions are just that, assumptions
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#9414833 - 12/11/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: second, maybe marijuana use has decreased and prescription pill use has increased because of ease of availability?
Thank you for making my point.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: DimensionX]
#9414838 - 12/11/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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This sounds strikingly familiar to arguments against comic books. See, not too long in the 50's there was mass hysteria over comic books. People opposed them for similar reasons to you, claiming that the world would be a moral hell if they were legalized. People attributed comic books to sexual promiscuity and even communism. One man who i can't recall the name of even cited that the comic book industry was worse than hitler.
You might think drugs are different that comic books, but in this situation, they aren't
the same has been said about video games, pornography, tv, ect. Its all horse shit. There are winners and losers in life and that will never change. Even if all drugs were legalized, not everyone would become a hopeless addict as you propose. Take me for example, i can get meth right now. I can get cocaine right now. I can get ether right now. I can get heroin right now. I have been able to get these things for a long time. I have not done any of them. Wanna know why ? go figure it out.
The circumstances you propose are a fantasy, and the fictional lengths you have gone to to justify your position are astounding. I'm not going to respond to any of that individually, because its all more or less scare tactics and your imagination run wild.
Instead, i'll point out the fundamental flaws in your argument.
A: You do not, and will not ever, have the authority to tell others what to consume via their own body.
B: Prohibition can not, and will not ever work.
C. Studies have shown the drug abuse rate does not substantially change between illegal and legal.
I'm putting this in red, cuz its very critical, and it emphasizes my anger.
STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR LIVES.
Get off your soap box. Fuck what you think about how society should function. Society is the combined choices and interactions of billions. Your an individual, so act like one and stop trying to control everyone.
On top of this, you advocate a coercive state identity. You advocate violence to support your worldview, which is sickening and putrid. I have no respect for you as an individual, or your belief system.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9414852 - 12/11/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Now someone could refute this argument and say "look how many more people are willing to use alcohol over cocaine because its legal!"
The answer to that is that the reason behind this is because alcohol is and has been a part of american culture for hundreds of years, its never going to change, and it didn't change in alcohol prohibition.
Right, and people will never stop taking drugs just because they're made illegal. My point is that if they were made legal, the ease of access is incredibly increased. All it takes is a few years of people being able to buy hardcore drugs to start a tradition in American culture, just like alcohol.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414868 - 12/11/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would say alcohol has much worse effects on society than any other drugs. This is just my opinions, but we are a global power even with a terrible drug being consumed legally by millions of people.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414872 - 12/11/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: second, maybe marijuana use has decreased and prescription pill use has increased because of ease of availability?
Thank you for making my point.
wrong interpretation, if marijuana was legal i'd bet you that would be the opposite. meaning as opposed to getting high on pills because they're more available, they'd be using marijuana instead.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414873 - 12/11/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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When i was young i found it easier to access illegal drugs than legal ones.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: anyone420]
#9414876 - 12/11/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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anyone420 said:Take me for example, i can get meth right now. I can get cocaine right now. I can get ether right now. I can get heroin right now. I have been able to get these things for a long time. I have not done any of them. Wanna know why ? go figure it out.
Because you're responsible? Congratulations. Most people, particularly when they're in between the ages of 18 and 21, are not.
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A: You do not, and will not ever, have the authority to tell others what to consume via their own body.
As the government, I do.
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B: Prohibition can not, and will not ever work.
True, but this in no way presents a compelling argument for stopping prohibition. Illegalizing murder doesn't work; should we make that legal too?
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C. Studies have shown the drug abuse rate does not substantially change between illegal and legal.
Sources please? What qualifies as substantial? Any increase in drug abuse is bad for society as a whole.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#9414888 - 12/11/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: second, maybe marijuana use has decreased and prescription pill use has increased because of ease of availability?
Thank you for making my point.
wrong interpretation, if marijuana was legal i'd bet you that would be the opposite. meaning as opposed to getting high on pills because they're more available, they'd be using marijuana instead.
Again, this is my point. Making a drug legal increases the probability of a kid using it.
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DimensionX said: When i was young i found it easier to access illegal drugs than legal ones.
Are you saying you found it easier or cheaper to purchase illegal drugs than to walk down to the store and buy some Tylenol?
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414900 - 12/11/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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No way, as a kid its heaps easier to get illegal drugs because drug dealers dont have age limits.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: DimensionX]
#9414903 - 12/11/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: When i was young i found it easier to access illegal drugs than legal ones.
Same for me. Hell, getting blunt wraps was harder than getting weed.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: DimensionX]
#9414904 - 12/11/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If there's an age limit on a drug, then it's not legal for you to take it underage.
Legal drugs are by definition easier to purchase than illegal ones.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414908 - 12/11/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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As the government, you have no authority. Only violence. All you can possibly do to get your way is to harm others. Your intelligence is irrelevant, your position is irrelevant. All you have is violence. Lets never forget this.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414911 - 12/11/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you are purposefully missing my point.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414912 - 12/11/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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As the government, I do.
and that's why our government is flawed.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414913 - 12/11/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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It sure wasn't flawed before the 20th century.
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: anyone420]
#9414915 - 12/11/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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anyone420 said: As the government, you have no authority. Only violence. All you can possibly do to get your way is to harm others. Your intelligence is irrelevant, your position is irrelevant. All you have is violence. Lets never forget this.
lolwut
Are you saying violence should never be used? Let's just do away with cops and our military then, shall we?
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Re: Why drug legalization is fundamentally flawed. (anyone420, this one's for you) [Re: deCypher]
#9414922 - 12/11/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not going to waste my time here any longer.
Have fun living in a hole for the rest of your life, you pathetic weasel.
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