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OfflineKemist
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Home Recording
    #941167 - 10/07/02 09:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

anyone use a MAC for home recording or some very simple hardware

i need to know what programs would be needed to lay down tracks

thanx in advance


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Re: Home Recording [Re: Kemist]
    #941396 - 10/08/02 12:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I use Cubase. It's the way to go. Quite complicated, but once you get used to it there's so much stuff you can do.


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Re: Home Recording [Re: mr_kite]
    #941397 - 10/08/02 12:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It's on Kazaa. Costs a shitload to buy (~?500)


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Re: Home Recording [Re: mr_kite]
    #941605 - 10/08/02 04:06 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i was thining of getting a Mac because i've worked with em for production before but whats your opinion on using a a regular PC for music production


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Re: Home Recording [Re: Kemist]
    #942128 - 10/08/02 09:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think I'm experienced enough to say much, but I think for home stuff it's the software rather than the system that's most important: as long as the system can run the software, all's good. But I do think Macs are generally prefered for production by most serious/professional producers. That's what I've heard.

Certainly, using Cubase on my PC works damn well... not that I do anything majorly impressive, but I have mixed tracks that were recorded in a "professional" studio on DAT tape and they came out really good.

Don't listen to my ramblings too much though... definately go to a specialist forum or speak to your local store/studio/etc.


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Re: Home Recording [Re: Kemist]
    #942536 - 10/08/02 12:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Get a digi001, cheap and best quality for home recording


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Re: Home Recording [Re: Mr_Puke]
    #956477 - 10/13/02 07:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)


Macs Bounce! :laugh:

DIGI 001/Pro Tools LE is cool, but does not come close to MOTU 828 w/ DP3. (same price, more trax) 

the BEST tool for creating digital music is the Pro Tools_24 sys ($15,000)
the 2nd best would be a Powermac G4, MOTU 828 Firewire Audio Interface running DP3 DAW.

most of the engineers i have worked with have used MOTU instead of Pro Tools for MIDI sequencing.
i think DP3's audio is equal to Pro Fools at 24bit/96k, but my boss wouldn't admit he wasted his money.

i have used cakewalk, cubase, logic and Pro Tools on PCs in the past,
but my world changed when i got a G4 running Mark of the Unicorn's DP3. 



setup here is:

G4 Sawtooth running DP3 w/ Unity Ds-1, Reason 2.0, Spark XL, Peak 3, and others...

T-bill's setup in room "C":

Dual G4 Quicksilver w/ 3 Monitors
MOTU 1224 / Pro Tools_24
MOTU MIDI Timepiece AV
Mackie d8b Digital Mixer (the bizomb!)
3 Alesis 24 bit ADATs
Roland XV-5080
an old Moog modular synth
Korg Triton and Trinity
EMU Xtreme Lead, Proteus, and Planet Phatt
and various FX, Synths and Samplers...

amazing that the only time fresh beats come out of that room,
is when i am in it at three in the morning working on my own music...


~

 


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Re: Home Recording [Re: Middleman]
    #957012 - 10/13/02 03:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The only thing i dont like about DP is the editing. You have to go through some much crap to just import a soundbit. And then you have to setup loop points till it loops perfect, then you have to highlight it excatly on those points and chop it out. PT is so much more forgiving when audio editing. I've been using DP for a while and yes it truely is a midi program. I think the audio side of it sucks. ANd i've been working with for about 3 years. And theres no point of using a 24bit since it will go back down to 16 anyways. Then you have to go through everything and switch it all down to 16.

I dont know how you could like the d8b, the sound on it is just so crappy and thin. The eq's suck, and so does the compressor, and you cant even put both the compressor and the gate on the same channel, wackness.

And about the voice playback, i belive, dont quote me on it that DP has 38, and PT LE now has a 48 voice playback. I belive the 002 will take over any motu firewire. I have boycotted buying any motu products as they purposly wont give you the things you need. So you buy an interface for $800, then you have to go out and buy a time piece for another $400. Just give me all the shit in one fucking package for $1200!!!! Oh well ima stop blabing now  :grin:


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Re: Home Recording [Re: Mr_Puke]
    #957395 - 10/13/02 06:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i use peak and recycle to edit soundbites,
then drop them into DP3 for tracking...

imo, it works better than pro tools for sound design.

as any engineer will tell you,
there is a slight, but noticeable difference
between a 16 bit recording and a 24 bit recording that's been converted to 16.
i do all my tracking in 24/48 then convert the master to 16/44.1 using Peak, no big deal...

ALL digital mixers sound "crappy and thin" :smirk:
the d8b sounds much thicker than the 01V, or any other DM i've used...
since our comps, eqs and fx are outboard, the d8b makes a great front end for Digital work.

DP3's rec and play voices are limited only by RAM and Processor speed, here its 128.
PT LE is limited to 8 rec 48 play, the first of many limitations... but it's good for beginners.


keep bouncing...


     


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Re: Home Recording [Re: Middleman]
    #957639 - 10/13/02 07:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I will always do recording in 16 44.1 being that is the standered cd bit rate. If you convert it from 24 to 16 you are going to have alias'ing which will result in lose of inportent freq's. Or atleast that i think are importent. Really depends on what your doing. And as for digital mixers, if you have ever used the Sony DMX R100 you will be so amazed at the sound of it. The eq's are crystal clear and i was truely impressed by it. I just got like the feel of the d8b i've used it plunty of times and just dont like it. I have come across numberous problems with it. The LED's on the pan pots are not accurate, and neither are fader movements. But really all you are paying for with you buy a d8b is the buses. Nothing more, nothing less. You have to buy the external moniter to use the effects and they keep there phantom power switchs in the back, what the fuck was the point of that??? I've ran into some many problems trying to pull the fucking thing off my disk to hit a switch. I do a lot of digital and analog recording and i can tell you that i love both of them. I love the ease of digital, but the sound is like finger nails scratching a chalkboard. But i like analog too. Just who wants to spend time slice tape to ger certin effects? You know... but none the less there will always be a debate between analog and digital. Tho recently we've been tracking on the AMEK 9098i into PT, and going to our otari 2in and you can defintaly hear that A to D conversion. As opposed to just tracking directly to 2in. But i guess it really comes down to how much doe you have and what you are doing.  :grin:


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