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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9401316 - 12/09/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i didn't catch it.

have u got a link?

i know Nixon used what has become known as the Saxbe fix, but that's not constitutional, so...?


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9401408 - 12/09/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

madtown, what do you think about his pledge to review bush's EO's and abolish any that violate civil rights.



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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #9401438 - 12/09/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't heard him say that.  However, the Bush Administration was known for it's liberal (:shocked:) use of EOs to implement policies that it knew would be contentious or did not want to publicize.  I think Mr. Obama would be remiss if he didn't take a look through them and make sure there weren't any there that grossly violated any tenants of the law.  I would be shocked if he didn't throw out more than a few of them, as I'm sure his successor will do should he or she be, god forbid, a dirty rotten stinking Republican.


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9401490 - 12/09/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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If I want to take out an ad in the paper saying that Madtowntripper is the hottest shit ever and people everywhere should bow down before me





already done, small ad, declared myself king, it went
uncontested so guess what... kneel before me, I have
rings that need kissin'

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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9401619 - 12/09/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ah the link didn't carry over the time in the video where he says it. it's at 8min-ish.

i think it would be very good of obama to repeal many of the bush EOs that violate civil rights, as he said he would.

what i can't comprehend is how somebody claiming to have an interest in civil liberties can vote for something like the Military Commissions Act, The FISA Amendments, and the bailout packages. they go against the very core of american ideology. and correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he vote for the 2nd version of the patriot act, or something like that?

finally, if he has such an interest in civil liberties and the constitution, what is he going to do to repeal said laws?


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #9401690 - 12/09/08 06:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

All of those matters are complex, and while I am against some of them, such as FISA, I can understand how someone could hold a differing viewpoint.

The bailouts are complex as well.  Every other country in the world supports their domestic automobile industry, and the only other time America has intervened to help one out the outcome was quite good.  I think the right kind of bailout, one that involves the restructuring of deals with the union as well as reaching some kind of accommodation with dealerships would be the ideal for all involved.  Mr. Obama has talked before of supporting some kind of bankruptcy for GM, which would allow them to accomplish both of the items mentioned above.

I would imagine that you will see many of the things you mentioned revisited by the current Congress relatively soon.


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9401915 - 12/09/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Every other country in the world supports their domestic automobile industry, and the only other time America has intervened to help one out the outcome was quite good.





really, then surely they couldnt be failing yet again, the
only thing that kept them going for the first 10 years was
the forced government contracts for crappy cars and below
average trucks, vehicles that leak on the showroom floow, bad
cams, bad heads, bad transmissions, trucks that spend more
time in the shop than on the road


and all on the tax payer dime

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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9402051 - 12/09/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

1) It was 30 years ago, not 10.

2) It was a loan, not a bailout.  As is this.

3) Every cent was paid back, and the taxpayer made a profit on the interest.

Listen, I'm not going to defend this thing to my dying breath.  I'm not a huge fan of it myself.  But I understand why they did it, and I think it has a decent shot of working.  I think, and I realize many may not agree, but I think it was better than doing nothing, in this situation.  At any other time, I would have said let them go.  But not right now.


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9402644 - 12/09/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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1) It was 30 years ago, not 10.




it was 10 years of contracts in which the government was
forced to buy diplomats and k cars, I didnt say it was 10
years ago

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2) It was a loan, not a bailout.  As is this.




ah yes, a loan in which the government has to buy the bulk of
the product in order to instill confidence in the public that
the current line of garbage is better than the garbage they
produced that made them go under, all those government
purchase payed back that loan and now look where they are 30
years later, I bet Iaccoca is proud

I wonder why the banks wont loan GM the money is it because
they know it's a sinking ship

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3) Every cent was paid back, and the taxpayer made a profit on the interest.




really, I dont remember anyone that payed taxes saying they
got a big check from chrysler, you sure it wasnt the
government that got the money and they forgot to send out the
checks?


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I think it was better than doing nothing, in this situation.  At any other time, I would have said let them go.  But not right now.




go where, south of the border with the bailout money? are
they closing plants in mexico to reopen the ones they shut
down here putting thousands of americans out of work, fuck
GM, Ford and Crapsler, they've abandoned the US the US should
allow them to do what other business do when they cant meet
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9402676 - 12/09/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I dont remember anyone that payed taxes saying they
got a big check from chrysler, you sure it wasnt the
government that got the money and they forgot to send out the
checks?







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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9403431 - 12/09/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i think there's a reason that these auto companies are in trouble, and our economy as a whole, for that matter.

they have been producing non-economical vehicles even though the technology exists, whereas the japanese have been making cars that american buyers want. sure they were doing it on the demand for big SUVs and such, but assuming $1.50 gas forever is absurd. there would have to come a time for more economical vehicles at some point, and they foolishly weren't ready for it.

it is a necessary restructuring of the economy. same with manufacturing jobs. yes they are gone. probably forever. our gov't intervention drove them away with unions, minimum wages, etc. that is why foreign nations produce them cheaper. our strength will come in leading green technologies. sure it will take time, but that is how these things are. it is necessary for the market to make the adjustments, and there is nothing that can be done to prevent it.


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #9407689 - 12/10/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Is anybody else bothered by this?

Who wouldn't be bothered by the Orifice of the President Elect.


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Icelander]
    #9410701 - 12/11/08 01:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

oh he can have/make as many orifices as he wishes.... :lol:

but what really grind my gears is that he is starting to set policy, and he hasn't been officially elected by the electoral college yet.

i guess i'm an idiot cuz i believe in the Constitution :whatever:


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #9410914 - 12/11/08 03:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

He can set policy all he wants. So could you, for that matter.


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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #9411633 - 12/11/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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oh he can have/make as many orifices as he wishes.... :lol:

but what really grind my gears is that he is starting to set policy, and he hasn't been officially elected by the electoral college yet.

i guess i'm an idiot cuz i believe in the Constitution :whatever:




Z is correct. He's not breaking any laws. And has no presidential power at this time. He however does have the right to say something.


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