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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9411613 - 12/11/08 11:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think 25 to life would be appropriate for someone in his position of trust to be convicted of this type of crime. (that would surely stop some of this shit in its tracks) That is of course if you don't believe in the death penalty like I do.:hellfire: He's already cost us enough.


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Icelander]
    #9411794 - 12/11/08 11:57 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> for someone in his position of trust

I'm a proponent of x3 the normal penalty when somebody in a position of public trust violates the public's trust.  I don't know what the normal sentencing guidelines are for his crime(s), but I'm all for x3 whatever they recommend.


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: zouden]
    #9411878 - 12/11/08 12:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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It could have been worse.






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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Seuss]
    #9411893 - 12/11/08 12:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm a proponent of x3 the normal penalty when somebody in a position of public trust violates the public's trust.




I still believe you're going too easy on them, if it's not
cruel and unusual then it's not punishment


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Seuss]
    #9411896 - 12/11/08 12:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening." - Obama

Obama last tuesday:

Apologists show up to say that shaking someone's hand and talking with them does not mean contact in 3...2...1...


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: d33p]
    #9412480 - 12/11/08 02:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

All politicians shake hands as far as I know. That's like saying anyone who shook Bush's hand is complicit in all the wrongdoings he may have done.:crazy2:


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Icelander]
    #9412554 - 12/11/08 02:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> All politicians shake hands as far as I know.

Do all politicians endorse one another as well?


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9412568 - 12/11/08 02:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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You still don't get it.  The only purpose of bail is to ensure that the indictee will appear for his trial.  That's it.  Blago is not a flight risk.  He should have no bail.  Then he should go on trial, be convicted and put in jail for 25 years.  He can't run and he can't hide, there is no reason for a high bail.  I can't believe you automatically want to throw him in jail before he gets a trial.

Meanwhile, assorted anonymous punks skip bail and fail to appear all the time.  They disappear into the woodwork and spend years on the lam.  Once again, this is not something Blago can do.  I assume he had to surrender his passport.  There is no place he can hide.




Where did it appear that I didn't understand the reason for the monetary commitment?  Nevertheless, this isn't the only consideration- the safety of the community is an additional consideration.  The money is to ensure the person doesn't violate the conditions of the release- whether they be taking off or commiting further crimes.


I'm saying that flight risk should not be the end of the road, the seriousness of hte offense should be considered both as a liklihood of flight and as a fairness of the release conditions.


Again, are you saying hte person who did 66 in a 65 and couldn't be sentenced to jail should be arrested and made to pay a high bond or reamin in jail because he admitted he was planning to leave the state and was doing so when stopped?  No, because other factors speak as to the inappropriatness of such- danger to the community and seriousness of the offense.

Should the trespasser likewise be given a high bond who might have a max jail time of ten days?  Nope


In the US District Courts, the protection of the community is a statutory consideration as to bond amount.


As for your "I can't believe" statement, I can't believe you believe I think his bond is inappropriate when I didn't say that.  I can't believe you think I want him in jail.  I said his bond was disproportionate, and I believe I specifically said bond needs to be lowered almost across the board.


How you decided I think he should be jailed pretrial when the constitution gives us a right to reasonable bond I don't understand.


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Seuss]
    #9412615 - 12/11/08 02:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Obama and Emmanuel ran Blago's campaign in 2002 and Barry the Pimp heartily endorsed him in 2006 even though the state inspector general said he was a retard with neither respect nor understanding of the law.
http://www.chicagomag.com/core/pagetools.php?pageid=7444&url=%2FChicago-Magazine%2FFebruary-2008%2FMr-Un-Popularity%2F&mode=print
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The governor's former inspector general said in a report that Blagojevich's hiring practices showed "not merely ignorance of the law, but complete and utter contempt for the law."




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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Seuss]
    #9412633 - 12/11/08 02:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> All politicians shake hands as far as I know.

Do all politicians endorse one another as well?




Well maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Obama might have been well aware of what a sleaze bag he was. Fortunately I didn't vote for either of them.

Then of course Obama might have endorsed him without really knowing or believing he was a total crook. I mean really it must be hard to tell one from the other in the political arena. Some are completely stupid and crooked and the rest are just slightly crooked and stupid.


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Icelander]
    #9412661 - 12/11/08 03:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Then of course Obama might have endorsed him without really knowing or believing he was a total crook.




like the way he spent 20 years at a church filled with hatred
and bigotry but he never heard that message


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Seuss]
    #9412669 - 12/11/08 03:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> All politicians shake hands as far as I know.

Do all politicians endorse one another as well?




Blagojevich's wife being investigated for real-estate dealings


"In 2005, a published report said she received nearly $50,000 from a real-estate deal three years earlier involving Antoin "Tony" Rezko. In June, Rezko was convicted of using clout with the Blagojevich administration to help launch a multimillion-dollar kickback scheme.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008494000_govwife11.html

This would not be the same Rezko the Obama's bought there "discounted" McMansion from would it????

I wonder if Blago's wife was involved in that shady Obama deal?


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9412670 - 12/11/08 03:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Right. I thought all churches were like that.:shrug:

I mean it's not like the republicans are anti religious. :tongue:


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9412678 - 12/11/08 03:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Then of course Obama might have endorsed him without really knowing or believing he was a total crook.




like the way he spent 20 years at a church filled with hatred
and bigotry but he never heard that message





If Obama is so smart why is it he never seems to know whats going on around him?


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Icelander]
    #9412691 - 12/11/08 03:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Right. I thought all churches were like that.:shrug:

I mean it's not like the republicans are anti religious. :tongue:




You would probably be hard pressed to find a Republican politician who goes to a church that says kill all the niggers.  A Democrat (Robert Byrd), maybe, but not a Republican.


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9412698 - 12/11/08 03:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that was pretty funny. On the other hand you might find a lot of them who would tell  you it's there Gods right to forbid women to have choice in what they do with their own bodies.:shrug: Don't get me started.


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Icelander]
    #9412706 - 12/11/08 03:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Right. I thought all churches were like that.:shrug:






I find it funny that the south is claimed to be racist yet I
have never been to one church down here that had a racial
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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9412745 - 12/11/08 03:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Well I grew up in the Bible belt and until recently you wouldn't find a black person in a white church. There is still plenty of racial hatred in this country although a lot of it has gone underground.


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9413419 - 12/11/08 05:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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They didn't even like each other.

There is no connection, people who have no idea what they're talking about

Listen, EVERYONE in the entire state knew Blago was going down a long time ago.  Fitzgerald has said as much numerous times.

To think Obama or anyone else would have close dealings with him is ludicrous.  Call Obama what you will, but he's no moron.





"Obama said he was "absolutely certain" that his office was not involved in "any deal-making" with Blagojevich on the Senate seat."

"deal-making"


lets just wait and see but i would not be surprised to find out that deals were discussed. Just not made......


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Re: Illinois Governor Arrested For Selling Vacant US Senate Seat [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9413456 - 12/11/08 05:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see why Obama would be interested in any sort of deal. What could he possibly want that would be so valuable as to risk his career? He won the election, with millions of dollars left over. There's nothing else he needs.


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