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Invisiblemofo
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Logic versus Emotions
    #9400690 - 12/09/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Emotions give little regard to logic, and logic may at times betray the emotions.  Does that mean emotions are false?  Or should logic yield to the emotions?

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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: mofo]
    #9400957 - 12/09/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Logic would have to take emotion into account or it wouldn't be logical.:shrug:


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: Icelander]
    #9400991 - 12/09/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Logic higher thinking functions of brain, emotions are a lower function of the brain.

Logic has evolved through evolution. Emotions kept us alive and well during the process.

Take your pick.

I wish my logic could control my emotions :shrug:


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: Icelander]
    #9401028 - 12/09/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Logic bitchslaps emotion into submission and then emotion whines about it.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #9401056 - 12/09/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like a life lived with perfect logic would entail no mistakes, and mistakes are ultimately what add unexpected quality to our lives. So I think it can be noble to fuck up in the name of emotionality.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #9401350 - 12/09/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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boletusoftruth said:
Logic higher thinking functions of brain, emotions are a lower function of the brain.





How did you find that out?

Quote:

Logic has evolved through evolution.




How else could it have evolved? :strokebeard3:


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9401371 - 12/09/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

boletusoftruth said:
Logic has evolved through evolution.




How else could it have evolved? :strokebeard3:




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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: mofo]
    #9401413 - 12/09/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i think logic is just a neutral emotion
as opposed to a pleasurable or painful one
aside from feelings, it has all the same character, life, staging, memory etc.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9401456 - 12/09/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
i think logic is just a neutral emotion




Thats a real cool concept.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: mofo]
    #9401994 - 12/09/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think emotions are a survival mechanism that is becoming increasingly obsolete for civilized humans.  They have their place when our wellbeing is in significant acute danger, but most of the time they make us hurt ourselves needlessly.  Logic usually suggests better courses of action when we have time to deliberate, IMO.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9404571 - 12/10/08 07:27 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

While questioning the logic of the department-of-motor-vehicle's testing guide I felt an onrush of emotion in defense of my position and their lack of courtesy in acknowledging their obvious stupidity. I guess in the appraisal of emotion we can distinguish between the emotion as a pleasurable response and the emotion as a defensive mechanisms to promote adrenaline.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: Booby]
    #9404579 - 12/10/08 07:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The trick is to get so emotional that you cry yourself to sleep and dont have to think about logic anymore.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: Booby]
    #9404595 - 12/10/08 07:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think there is a meaningful distinction there.  Being hung up on one's position creates the unhelpful qualities of self-righteousness and contempt.  Most of the ugly stuff you see on the news is a manifestation of these emotional reactions out of control.  Other forms of emotional attachment are not healthy either, whether they feel good or not IMO.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9404676 - 12/10/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think there is a meaningful distinction there.  Being hung up on one's position creates the unhelpful qualities of self-righteousness and contempt.  Most of the ugly stuff you see on the news is a manifestation of these emotional reactions out of control. Other forms of emotional attachment are not healthy either, whether they feel good or not IMO.




Yes, but then a distinction between the kinds of emotions must be done.
The term "emotions" covers not only negative and addictive feelings, but also practical and positive ones.
Just to make myself clear, I am not trying to undermine the importance of logic, but to assert for the balance that is healthy to keep between these two.
For me, making use of logic has priority mostly because it helps me improve my emotions, so I guess you could say that I wouldn't value it as much without the existence of emotions. :grin:


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9405901 - 12/10/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Logic is informed by our emotions and neither can be separated from the other.

Morals, we come about by means of logic, which is informed by our emotional responses to given situations (real or imagined.)  If I see a someone being murdered, I have an emotional response first.  It could be fear, it could be sadness, it could be rage... it's really none of those things, as they are just words, but it's an emotional response that I can grasp and which guides my intellect (logic) in coming to the assumption that murder is immoral.

Logic is informed by our emotions, and through logic we learn not to be controlled by our emotional responses.  Each requires the other in a proper balance for a properly functioning human, imo.


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: TrippinNinjaBuddha]
    #9408242 - 12/10/08 06:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well, I agree with those who say they go hand in hand, and at their best, there is a healthy and vital synergy between the two.  For all of us, there is a great deal of emotion involved in the shaping of our lives, whether we are aware of it or not.  Think about it, one would have to be essentially a robot to live in a purely logical fashion.

And some of the biggest choices in our lives are made for emotional reasons rather than for logical ones.  A prime example is purposely having kids.  From a logical standpoint, who would do such a thing?  They're a constant burden on your time and resources, they often quarrel with you and rebel against you, and they leave you when they grow up anyway.  I guess there are some rational strategies behind childbearing (i.e. to produce slaves, or heirs) but by and large, most people have children to satisfy their emotional drives.  These drives are clearly an essential part of our humanity.

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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9408316 - 12/10/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
i think logic is just a neutral emotion
as opposed to a pleasurable or painful one
aside from feelings, it has all the same character, life, staging, memory etc.




That's funny you say that because
I have a good friend who is going
into psychoanalasys as a profession.

He was saying that to analyze a situation is
better than reacting emotionally to it.

I said to him that an emotion is a reaction,
so you are merely reacting analitically
however it is a very subversive emotion.

Same page?

Can one have attachments to indifference, pain and pleasure simultaneously?


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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #9408955 - 12/10/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i guess people can make a big thing about attachment too.
attachment is just a bunch of associations, passive f

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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9408987 - 12/10/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Does that mean emotions are false?  Or should logic yield to the emotions?




Both are essential, each serving its purpose in assisting different behavior.

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Re: Logic versus Emotions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #9409083 - 12/10/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i guess people can make a big thing about attachment too.
attachment is just a bunch of associations, passive familiarity will build it as well as desire based actions.

anyway yes, you can be very hung up about being neutral or indifferent.
it sounds funny but it is really true.

it can be positive too, especially if you are trying to build perspective.

quite a few paradoxes in that.


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