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The "Office" of the "President-Elect"
#9399215 - 12/09/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is anybody else bothered by this?
I mean, strictly speaking, the Electoral College doesn't meet until Dec 15 to officially elect a President. The whole thing is based on the ASSUMPTION that the electors will vote for , which, barring action from the Supreme Court, they will. Sure, he won the election on Nov 4. But that is NOT the election that really matters. Is this a further coronation of the Messiah by the MSM?
I must admit, I'm not sure if the trend has been so in previous years (ie was Bush called Pres-Elect b4 the electoral college met? Was there an "Office of the President-Elect"?) Sure, some might argue that the situation we face currently calls for immediate action and can't wait until Jan 20. Sorry, but that's why Bush is still in office, like it or not. Obama seems to already be influencing policy even though he hasn't been elected! Nobody even knows if he's Constitutionally eligible to hold the fucking position! I don't really want to get into that debate though.
Further, what about Hillary's appointment to Sec of State? SHE IS CONSTITUTIONALLY INELIGIBLE UNTIL 2013!!
Article I, Section 6:
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No Senator or Representative shall, during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time: and no person holding any office under the United States, shall be a member of either House during his continuance in office.
Since the Senate raised the compensation of Cabinet positions, she's disallowed!
Does anybody care about that god damned piece of paper anymore?
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9399525 - 12/09/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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jesus christ.
he's the president elect. and he has an office in Chicago during the transition.
big. fucking. deal.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9399870 - 12/09/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bush should step down now and let Obama get to work.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9399923 - 12/09/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hillary is allowed to be the SOS, but if she is, she will not have the salary increase.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#9399962 - 12/09/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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" Further, what about Hillary's appointment to Sec of State? SHE IS CONSTITUTIONALLY INELIGIBLE UNTIL 2013!!"
That quote from the constitution uses the article "he"
Lol, im not serious, just saying
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: vonhumboldt]
#9400227 - 12/09/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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vonhumboldt said: jesus christ.
he's the president elect. and he has an office in Chicago during the transition.
big. fucking. deal.
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MushmanTheManic said: Hillary is allowed to be the SOS, but if she is, she will not have the salary increase.
These two posts say it all.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9400255 - 12/09/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you really believe the president-elect transition teams of previous administrations waited until december 15th to begin forming staff and developing policy? Because you'd be quite wrong.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: vonhumboldt]
#9400413 - 12/09/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9400479 - 12/09/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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MistaUNGA said: Was there an "Office of the President-Elect"?
there has been since the 60s, just no one has been all douche baggie enough to start blowing the government money on TV time until after they hit the oval office
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9400502 - 12/09/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really? Have they been running ads? What for?
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9400575 - 12/09/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE0DF1731F934A35752C1A96E948260
There's one from 1988...
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: zouden]
#9400789 - 12/09/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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zouden said: Really? Have they been running ads? What for?
they've been promoting the Ogenda
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9400845 - 12/09/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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With taxpayer money?
Prove it.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9401008 - 12/09/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just thought he's been holding press conferences etc. You don't have to pay to get on the news.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9401205 - 12/09/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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MistaUNGA said: Was there an "Office of the President-Elect"?
there has been since the 60s, just no one has been all douche baggie enough to start blowing the government money on TV time until after they hit the oval office
that's all i was looking for. i've just never noticed the "office" before.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#9401242 - 12/09/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: Hillary is allowed to be the SOS, but if she is, she will not have the salary increase.
technically, no she's not allowed.
the so-called saxbe fix is not constitutional! if we can avoid Art I, Sec 6, why not Art II, Sec 1? it's a slippery slope, ignoring that god damned piece of paper. lets just throw the whole fuckin thing out the window, and adopt a UN constitution so we can all be globally pacified citizens
i don't even know why i pretend that politicians follow it anymore... and how can we expect the constituencies to hold them to it?
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9401281 - 12/09/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: With taxpayer money?
Prove it.
does obama pay taxes?
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9401289 - 12/09/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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From what I understand Mushman is right.
Legally she can accept the post, but cannot have the salary increase.
zappa posted the details a few days ago.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9401290 - 12/09/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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MistaUNGA said: that's all i was looking for. i've just never noticed the "office" before.
that's because no one has been such a self absorbed douche bag as to flaunt it as much as Obama
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9401311 - 12/09/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: With taxpayer money?
Prove it.
does obama pay taxes?
Okay, apparently we are talking about two completely different things. I thought you were implying he was spending tax money to promote himself and his policies before he is even sworn in. Which, obviously, would be impossible as has no power to control the governments purse-strings.
But I see you were just saying that he was spending his own money to do this.
So in that case, who gives a flying fuck? If I want to take out an ad in the paper saying that Madtowntripper is the hottest shit ever and people everywhere should bow down before me, why should you care? And again, I've yet to see any proof that he's doing this.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9401316 - 12/09/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i didn't catch it.
have u got a link?
i know Nixon used what has become known as the Saxbe fix, but that's not constitutional, so...?
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9401408 - 12/09/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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madtown, what do you think about his pledge to review bush's EO's and abolish any that violate civil rights.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
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I haven't heard him say that. However, the Bush Administration was known for it's liberal () use of EOs to implement policies that it knew would be contentious or did not want to publicize. I think Mr. Obama would be remiss if he didn't take a look through them and make sure there weren't any there that grossly violated any tenants of the law. I would be shocked if he didn't throw out more than a few of them, as I'm sure his successor will do should he or she be, god forbid, a dirty rotten stinking Republican.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9401490 - 12/09/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: If I want to take out an ad in the paper saying that Madtowntripper is the hottest shit ever and people everywhere should bow down before me
already done, small ad, declared myself king, it went uncontested so guess what... kneel before me, I have rings that need kissin'
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9401619 - 12/09/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ah the link didn't carry over the time in the video where he says it. it's at 8min-ish.
i think it would be very good of obama to repeal many of the bush EOs that violate civil rights, as he said he would.
what i can't comprehend is how somebody claiming to have an interest in civil liberties can vote for something like the Military Commissions Act, The FISA Amendments, and the bailout packages. they go against the very core of american ideology. and correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he vote for the 2nd version of the patriot act, or something like that?
finally, if he has such an interest in civil liberties and the constitution, what is he going to do to repeal said laws?
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9401690 - 12/09/08 06:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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All of those matters are complex, and while I am against some of them, such as FISA, I can understand how someone could hold a differing viewpoint.
The bailouts are complex as well. Every other country in the world supports their domestic automobile industry, and the only other time America has intervened to help one out the outcome was quite good. I think the right kind of bailout, one that involves the restructuring of deals with the union as well as reaching some kind of accommodation with dealerships would be the ideal for all involved. Mr. Obama has talked before of supporting some kind of bankruptcy for GM, which would allow them to accomplish both of the items mentioned above.
I would imagine that you will see many of the things you mentioned revisited by the current Congress relatively soon.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9401915 - 12/09/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: Every other country in the world supports their domestic automobile industry, and the only other time America has intervened to help one out the outcome was quite good.
really, then surely they couldnt be failing yet again, the only thing that kept them going for the first 10 years was the forced government contracts for crappy cars and below average trucks, vehicles that leak on the showroom floow, bad cams, bad heads, bad transmissions, trucks that spend more time in the shop than on the road
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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1) It was 30 years ago, not 10.
2) It was a loan, not a bailout. As is this.
3) Every cent was paid back, and the taxpayer made a profit on the interest.
Listen, I'm not going to defend this thing to my dying breath. I'm not a huge fan of it myself. But I understand why they did it, and I think it has a decent shot of working. I think, and I realize many may not agree, but I think it was better than doing nothing, in this situation. At any other time, I would have said let them go. But not right now.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9402644 - 12/09/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: 1) It was 30 years ago, not 10.
it was 10 years of contracts in which the government was forced to buy diplomats and k cars, I didnt say it was 10 years ago
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2) It was a loan, not a bailout. As is this.
ah yes, a loan in which the government has to buy the bulk of the product in order to instill confidence in the public that the current line of garbage is better than the garbage they produced that made them go under, all those government purchase payed back that loan and now look where they are 30 years later, I bet Iaccoca is proud
I wonder why the banks wont loan GM the money is it because they know it's a sinking ship
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really, I dont remember anyone that payed taxes saying they got a big check from chrysler, you sure it wasnt the government that got the money and they forgot to send out the checks?
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I think it was better than doing nothing, in this situation. At any other time, I would have said let them go. But not right now.
go where, south of the border with the bailout money? are they closing plants in mexico to reopen the ones they shut down here putting thousands of americans out of work, fuck GM, Ford and Crapsler, they've abandoned the US the US should allow them to do what other business do when they cant meet the bills
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I dont remember anyone that payed taxes saying they got a big check from chrysler, you sure it wasnt the government that got the money and they forgot to send out the checks?
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9403431 - 12/09/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think there's a reason that these auto companies are in trouble, and our economy as a whole, for that matter.
they have been producing non-economical vehicles even though the technology exists, whereas the japanese have been making cars that american buyers want. sure they were doing it on the demand for big SUVs and such, but assuming $1.50 gas forever is absurd. there would have to come a time for more economical vehicles at some point, and they foolishly weren't ready for it.
it is a necessary restructuring of the economy. same with manufacturing jobs. yes they are gone. probably forever. our gov't intervention drove them away with unions, minimum wages, etc. that is why foreign nations produce them cheaper. our strength will come in leading green technologies. sure it will take time, but that is how these things are. it is necessary for the market to make the adjustments, and there is nothing that can be done to prevent it.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
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Is anybody else bothered by this?
Who wouldn't be bothered by the Orifice of the President Elect.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: Icelander]
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oh he can have/make as many orifices as he wishes....
but what really grind my gears is that he is starting to set policy, and he hasn't been officially elected by the electoral college yet.
i guess i'm an idiot cuz i believe in the Constitution
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
#9410914 - 12/11/08 03:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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He can set policy all he wants. So could you, for that matter.
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Re: The "Office" of the "President-Elect" [Re: MistaUNGA]
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MistaUNGA said: oh he can have/make as many orifices as he wishes....
but what really grind my gears is that he is starting to set policy, and he hasn't been officially elected by the electoral college yet.
i guess i'm an idiot cuz i believe in the Constitution
Z is correct. He's not breaking any laws. And has no presidential power at this time. He however does have the right to say something.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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