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difference in trip is have poyote vs. san pedrio vs. peruvian
    #9397543 - 12/09/08 05:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the title says it all - will the nature of the trip be different, or not since it's pretty much just the mescaline?


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Re: difference in trip is have poyote vs. san pedrio vs. peruvian [Re: csrpj]
    #9397631 - 12/09/08 06:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Poyote and san pedrio, eh?

They'll all be the same.  The accompanying amount of nausea is all that'll be different.


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Re: difference in trip is have poyote vs. san pedrio vs. peruvian [Re: Innoculus]
    #9397752 - 12/09/08 08:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Keep in mind the psychoactive alkaloid is the same in either cactus. The only thing that can effect the trip otherwise is the amount of each cactus you consume, since they have varying amounts of mescaline.


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Re: difference in trip is have poyote vs. san pedrio vs. peruvian [Re: csrpj]
    #9398026 - 12/09/08 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If there is a difference, it comes from the tripper, not the cactus.


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Re: difference in trip is have poyote vs. san pedrio vs. peruvian [Re: Redrawing]
    #9398090 - 12/09/08 10:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think there are definite differences although I have only taken p. torch and pedro and it's not all dependent on the tripper I know there are different alkaloids in peyote that affect the trip than say san pedro and p. torch. Also the potency makes a difference in the expierience its really hard to have a good time if you just consumed 70g of powder versus 35g.


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Re: difference in trip is have peyote vs. san Pedro vs. Peruvian [Re: Blow_in]
    #9398365 - 12/09/08 12:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, the main active alkaloid is mescaline, but the other alkaloids will also affect the experience. 
(From what I've read, the Native American church now recommends using Peruvian torch, with just a little bit of peyote to add some of the other alkaloids while conserving the endangered sacred plant.)

Peruvian torch contains: mescaline (0.82%), 2-chloromescaline (.02%), tyramine (.009%), 3-methoxytyramine (.01%), 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (.004%).

San Pedro contains: mescaline (0.11 - 2.3%), 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenethylamine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, anhalonidine, anhalinine, hordenine, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine.

Peyote contains: N-acetyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, alanine, anhalamine, anhalidine, anhalinine, anhalonidine (14% of the total alkaloids), anhalonine, anhalotine, 3,4-dihydroxy-5-methoxyphenethylamine, epinine, dopamine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, N-acetylanhalamine, N-acetylanhalonine, N-formylanhalamine, N-formylanhalinine, N-formylanhalonidine, N-formylanhalonine, N-formyl-O-methylanhalonidine, N-formyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, glycine (8% of the total alkaloids), hordenine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (1 to 5% of the total alkaloids), isoanhalamine, isoanhalonidine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N-methylphenethylamine, isoanhalidine, isopellotine, lophophorine (5% of the total alkaloids), 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N,N-dimethoxyphenethylamine, lophorine, lophotine iodide, mescaline (30% of the total alkaloids), mescaline citrimide, mescaline malaimide, mescaline maleimide, mescaline succinimide, isocitrimide lactone mescaline , N-acetylmescaline, N-formylmescaline, N-methylmescaline, mescalotam, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-methoxy-N-methyltyramine, 3-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltyramine, O-methylanhalonidine, O-methylpeyoxylic acid, O-methylpeyoruvic acid, N-methyltyramine, pellotine (17% of the total alkaloids), peyoglunal, peyoglutam, peyonine, peyophorine, peyouvic acid, peyotine iodide, peyoxylic acid, tyramine.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_guide/cacti_guide_trichoce.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_guide/cacti_guide_lophopho.shtml


Personally, I prefer my mescaline as pure as possible.


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Re: difference in trip is have peyote vs. san Pedro vs. Peruvian [Re: 04281969]
    #9398980 - 12/09/08 01:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

damn u got to it before me XD

basically, the different cacti have different alkaloids, so a trip from a different cactus will have different effects.


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